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I haven’t got the latest Freeways…I’m still on 3.5.15 (and I actually find 3.5.6 faster!)

But on any Freeway version, new or old, is it possible to publish just one page or two, with resources for those pages…without publishing a whole site?

Frequently i find myself needing to send a page or two to a client, with amends or prospective layout changes, but don’t want to send the whole site.

Yes, I know I could duplicate the site and then erase all the unwanted pages, but that’s a long way round and just creates another freeway file to manage.

It’s almost like I could do with an option called “publish just these pages to a new folder”. A temporary measure for sure, but just the ticket for quick working.

Does it exist? Could it?

Hugh

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Not exactly, but in Freeway 4 it is possible to Preview a page, which
creates all necessary resources and HTML for just that one page. Of
course you are still left with the chore of sorting out the
associated resources for yourself if you want to send just the bare
bones of the page to your client in any form except a screenshot.

Another way you might achieve this would be to select the page in the
Site palette (v2 or 3) or pane (v4 or 5), copy the page, create a new
document, and paste. All associated graphics and settings will come
along for the ride (except internal links, which necessarily
disappear). When you publish, the only elements that will be created
are those for the one page you copied.

Walter

On Feb 19, 2008, at 11:59 AM, hugh wrote:

I haven’t got the latest Freeways…I’m still on 3.5.15 (and I
actually find 3.5.6 faster!)

But on any Freeway version, new or old, is it possible to publish
just one page or two, with resources for those pages…without
publishing a whole site?

Frequently i find myself needing to send a page or two to a client,
with amends or prospective layout changes, but don’t want to send
the whole site.

Yes, I know I could duplicate the site and then erase all the
unwanted pages, but that’s a long way round and just creates
another freeway file to manage.

It’s almost like I could do with an option called “publish just
these pages to a new folder”. A temporary measure for sure, but
just the ticket for quick working.

Does it exist? Could it?

Hugh

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Freeway 4 sounds promising…but then you seem to suggest that there is the chore of sorting out the reosurce…having just said that it will create the reosurces for that one page…??? I’m confused! If it creates all the neceessary html and resources for just that one page, then that’s great! But I’m not sure you mean it does that?

Method 2?..nah! That’s just what I’m trying to avoid. The creation of another freeway file/document.

I want a stopgap “JUST PUBLISH THIS/THESE PAGE(S)” functionality for quick client visuals, if you get my meaning (but something more than a screendump).

Hugh

On 19 Feb. 2008, 4:07 pm, waltd wrote:

Not exactly, but in Freeway 4 it is possible to Preview a page, which
creates all necessary resources and HTML for just that one page. Of
course you are still left with the chore of sorting out the
associated resources for yourself if you want to send just the bare
bones of the page to your client in any form except a screenshot.

Another way you might achieve this would be to select the page in the
Site palette (v2 or 3) or pane (v4 or 5), copy the page, create a new
document, and paste. All associated graphics and settings will come
along for the ride (except internal links, which necessarily
disappear). When you publish, the only elements that will be created
are those for the one page you copied.

Walter

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Removing any links to those pages and publishing will be the same as
not publishing them (unless someone knows the filenames you are
using). People would have to use quite a bit of guesswork to find your
pages if they wanted to.

Joe

On 19 Feb 2008, at 17:17, hugh wrote:

Freeway 4 sounds promising…but then you seem to suggest that
there is the chore of sorting out the reosurce…having just said
that it will create the reosurces for that one page…??? I’m
confused! If it creates all the neceessary html and resources for
just that one page, then that’s great! But I’m not sure you mean it
does that?

Method 2?..nah! That’s just what I’m trying to avoid. The creation
of another freeway file/document.

I want a stopgap “JUST PUBLISH THIS/THESE PAGE(S)” functionality for
quick client visuals, if you get my meaning (but something more than
a screendump).

Hugh

On 19 Feb. 2008, 4:07 pm, waltd wrote:

Not exactly, but in Freeway 4 it is possible to Preview a page, which
creates all necessary resources and HTML for just that one page. Of
course you are still left with the chore of sorting out the
associated resources for yourself if you want to send just the bare
bones of the page to your client in any form except a screenshot.

Another way you might achieve this would be to select the page in the
Site palette (v2 or 3) or pane (v4 or 5), copy the page, create a new
document, and paste. All associated graphics and settings will come
along for the ride (except internal links, which necessarily
disappear). When you publish, the only elements that will be created
are those for the one page you copied.

Walter

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Not sure I get you, Joe.

I’m not expecting ‘people’ to ‘find’ my pages. i’m sending a quick-publish page or two to a client who knows what’s coming - I just want to halve/quarter the time taken to do it.

Yes?

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Does it matter if the whole site goes up? It’ll be a longer upload
initially but then revisions are pretty fast and you get the benefit
of being able to refer back and forth between old/new/existing/revised.

If you publish and upload the whole site to a testing folder you
shouldn’t have a problem. You need to create a folder on your
webspace with something like Transmit or Fetch, give it an obscure
name and then make sure the path is correct in the Freeway Upload
dialogue box (if necessary you can change the path at each upload if
you want to swap between folders on the host}. Then you give the
client the link to the pages you are concerned with. That’s what I’ve
done and it worked fine. Course this assumes you have enough webspace
and bandwidth for everything…

Pete

On 19 Feb 2008, at 16:59, hugh wrote:

I haven’t got the latest Freeways…I’m still on 3.5.15 (and I
actually find 3.5.6 faster!)

But on any Freeway version, new or old, is it possible to publish
just one page or two, with resources for those pages…without
publishing a whole site?

Frequently i find myself needing to send a page or two to a client,
with amends or prospective layout changes, but don’t want to send
the whole site.

Yes, I know I could duplicate the site and then erase all the
unwanted pages, but that’s a long way round and just creates
another freeway file to manage.

It’s almost like I could do with an option called “publish just
these pages to a new folder”. A temporary measure for sure, but
just the ticket for quick working.

Does it exist? Could it?

Hugh

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If you are using Freeway to manage the file uploads, then you have
two copies of the site. One is local, on your hard drive, and the
other is on your server. Your local copy can race ahead of the server
version, and how you show that to your client is what we are talking
about here.

If you use the Preview button in Freeway 4, what happens is just the
current page is published. If there are changes needed on other pages
in the site in order to respond to changes you made to the current
page, they are not made. (For example, if you changed around a bunch
of anchors on the current page, and had other pages in your site
which linked to them, the other pages would become “dirty” in Freeway
parlance, meaning they needed to be published also. If you were to
publish the site, then all dirty pages would be recreated. But if you
preview, only the current page would be recreated.

This preview version of the current page is made in the local folder
on your hard drive. It is not separate from the files that are
created when you publish. This means that if you preview a few pages
with changes, and then for some reason decide to browse the site from
your local folder in a real browser, you will encounter out-of-date
content, because not everything has been brought into line with the
Freeway document. But if you choose Preview in Browser, then
everything that has changes will be re-published, and the entire site
will work correctly in a local browser window.

If you want to have a “coming soon” or “please approve this” version
of your site to show the client, then I suggest you set up a
subdomain on the Web server, and each time you make a major change to
the site, publish it there first. You can secure this subdomain so
that outsiders don’t see the site before it’s done. When the site is
approved, just change the upload details in Freeway to target the
“live” site, and let the upload run. Everything new will be uploaded,
and everything old will be taken down. If you manage this correctly,
using more than one version of your Freeway file, you can even have a
good recourse if you should need to roll back to a previous version
of the site.

Walter

On Feb 19, 2008, at 12:17 PM, hugh wrote:

Freeway 4 sounds promising…but then you seem to suggest that
there is the chore of sorting out the reosurce…having just said
that it will create the reosurces for that one page…??? I’m
confused! If it creates all the neceessary html and resources for
just that one page, then that’s great! But I’m not sure you mean it
does that?

Method 2?..nah! That’s just what I’m trying to avoid. The
creation of another freeway file/document.

I want a stopgap “JUST PUBLISH THIS/THESE PAGE(S)” functionality
for quick client visuals, if you get my meaning (but something more
than a screendump).

Hugh

On 19 Feb. 2008, 4:07 pm, waltd wrote:

Not exactly, but in Freeway 4 it is possible to Preview a page, which
creates all necessary resources and HTML for just that one page. Of
course you are still left with the chore of sorting out the
associated resources for yourself if you want to send just the bare
bones of the page to your client in any form except a screenshot.

Another way you might achieve this would be to select the page in the
Site palette (v2 or 3) or pane (v4 or 5), copy the page, create a new
document, and paste. All associated graphics and settings will come
along for the ride (except internal links, which necessarily
disappear). When you publish, the only elements that will be created
are those for the one page you copied.

Walter

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I can understand what Hugh wants and why - especially if he has a
large site to work on.

Perhaps, in a future release of Freeway, Softpress Towers could borrow
from the standard print dialogue and engineer a ‘publish all’ or
‘publish selected pages’ option to allow just WIP pages to be uploaded
to a test folder? Or would this confuse the excellent file management
properties already part of the application?

Colin

On 19 Feb 2008, at 17:37, Pete MacKenzie wrote:

Does it matter if the whole site goes up?

On 19 Feb 2008, at 16:59, hugh wrote:

… is it possible to publish
just one page or two, with resources for those pages…without
publishing a whole site?

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Colin’s got it!!

Just so…a select this or these pages and ‘publish to temproary folder’ or something. All html and all the resources needed for those pages, but ONLY the stuff for those pages…with an ‘ignore links’ option if neccessary.

Sorry, Walter…I’m sure it’s elegant, but it ain’t quick and dirty - and sometimes that’s just what us lower-caste Freeway users need!

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On 19 Feb 2008, at 17:32, hugh wrote:

I’m not expecting ‘people’ to ‘find’ my pages. i’m sending a quick-
publish page or two to a client who knows what’s coming - I just
want to halve/quarter the time taken to do it.

I’ve just done exactly this. I’m designing a site for someone here in
Cornwall and I want to show him the Home page, without him realising
that, thanks to Freeway, I’ve actually done all the other pages as
well, more or less.

I make a blank new site, copy the Home page, past it into a new page
in the new blank site, and upload. It’s that easy …

best wishes

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Hi Hugh

Isn’t is much more direct to put a copy of the site in a test place and let
the client look at it there?
On the rare occasion I was asked for printouts I used Paparazzi!.app to get
an image of the whole browser page and printed that out.
If you are sending a web page- maybe you could save a safari archive from
the local preview and send that.

Just thinking around the issues.

all the best
Brian

hugh said recently:

I haven’t got the latest Freeways…I’m still on 3.5.15 (and I actually find
3.5.6 faster!)

But on any Freeway version, new or old, is it possible to publish just one
page or two, with resources for those pages…without publishing a whole site?

Frequently i find myself needing to send a page or two to a client, with
amends or prospective layout changes, but don’t want to send the whole site.

Yes, I know I could duplicate the site and then erase all the unwanted pages,
but that’s a long way round and just creates another freeway file to manage.

It’s almost like I could do with an option called “publish just these pages to
a new folder”. A temporary measure for sure, but just the ticket for quick
working.

Does it exist? Could it?

Hugh

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Indeed, Brian, I have used test sites before…and still do in the absence of anything quicker!

But in my experience, tell someone an address where they can go and see something, and…well, they may get around to it eventually, if they’ve time, if they remember, if thephone doesn’t ring.

On the other hand, deliver something directly with an attachment…there’s a kind of obligation, even a desire, to open it immediately! Much more direct, more personal. ‘Here, Mr Client, I’ve sent you a specially wrapped parcel’…!!

There’s always another way of doing it, of course there is. But what I’m getting at is the instinctive way many of us work - clients and web designer alike. Your mileage may differ, Brian. But that’s my experience.

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Fair enough Hugh - though its hard to see what could be quicker than a site
link in an email.
I find clients feel it is already real when they get it - on the web -
albeit in a test place. And I like the ongoing common reference that it
affords communication.
So do you have to go to the published html and drag/copy out the Resource
folder and the page(s) you want and then remove the unwanted resources and
then zip it and mail it?
I can see why you you get frustrated with Freeway.
Still the thread likely spoke to many and maybe SP will add more flexibility
to Freeway’s publishing options. Though I’d rather have a way to not upload
selected pages (rather than park them in another document or make them
Masters).
That could be as simple as Freeway not publishing anything kept in an
internal special folder called ‘unused’ or whatever.

all the best
Brian

hugh said recently:

Indeed, Brian, I have used test sites before…and still do in the absence of
anything quicker!

But in my experience, tell someone an address where they can go and see
something, and…well, they may get around to it eventually, if they’ve time,
if they remember, if thephone doesn’t ring.

On the other hand, deliver something directly with an attachment…there’s a
kind of obligation, even a desire, to open it immediately! Much more direct,
more personal. ‘Here, Mr Client, I’ve sent you a specially wrapped
parcel’…!!

There’s always another way of doing it, of course there is. But what I’m
getting at is the instinctive way many of us work - clients and web designer
alike. Your mileage may differ, Brian. But that’s my experience.

Hugh

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Hell no! I do, at the moment, make a new document and cut and paste from the main site. But I hate having all these documents floating around. it’s enough managing versions of a site and archiving old versions. i don’t want any more Freeway docs.

That too!! Excellent idea!

I just feel that publishing is the moment when it all happens, and comes alive! I do feel there ought to be a bit more flexibility of options. There are good reasons why I wouldn’t want to show a client a whole but maybe unfinished, unrefined site! Let me publish a small, relevant portion for them.

I cannot argue against it, Brian, if that’s your experience. But I have many experiences where that is NOT the quickest or simplest or ‘best’ way to deliver what I’m trying to show. I have to create server space, more passwords and usernames to remember, another programme to invoke, I have to maybe go back there and delete it. A lot easier to trash a folder from the desktop. So quick to just email the relevant bit.

Anyway, food for thought. I have a hunch that it’s probably not that difficult for Softpress Towers to engineer!

H.

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Paul Bradforth said [quote] I make a blank new site, copy the Home page, past it into a new page in the new blank site, and upload. It’s that easy …[/quote]

Hello Paul! thanks for the input.

But I think I’ve already mentioned, I don’t want more Freeway docs! I’m in Freeway, I’m in my site…I really don’t want to have to create another doc, another site, another subfolder, etc. etc. It’s clutter. And I’m sure you would agree it would be quicker to just check Home Page and Page2 and Page3 and choose “Publish to Temporary”…! No?

I do the new doc and cut and paste at the moment, and find it a right pain in the a…

!!

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Hi Hugh,
Until you get your wish of Freeway just publishing the page (and
resources) you need try this;

  1. Select the page in Freeway
  2. Preview to Opera (http://www.opera.com)
  3. Select ‘Save as…’ from the file menu and choose ‘Web archive
    (single file)’ in the format menu
  4. This will save a mime encoded html file (.mht) with all of your
    images encapsulated within the single file
  5. Send the client the file
  6. The client can open the mht in not only Opera for the Mac or
    Windows but any version of Internet Explorer from version 5 onwards,
    simply by double-clicking the file.

If the client is running a Mac (OS X) then you can always just send
them a Safari generated .webarchive file which will do pretty much
the same thing. Unfortunately Safari’ web archives aren’t compatible
with the mht file format.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Tim.

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This thread shows how we all find ways to make life easier for clients

  • if not necessarily for us! The crux of Hugh’s wish is that most
    clients just want to quickly vet the changes and/or additions, rather
    than click through the whole site to find individual pages.

So here’s a thought. The Freeway engine already separates any changed
pages from the rest to speed up each upload to the server. Therefore,
could an additional dialog be added, similar to ‘Upload…’ but called
‘Proof changes…’ that would upload only the changed pages to a
nominated test folder. Then, provided your changes/new pages don’t
affect a master page, one URL to the client will just take him/her to
the pages you want approved.

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On 20 Feb 2008, at 01:53, Brian Steere wrote:

Though I’d rather have a way to not upload
selected pages (rather than park them in another document or make them
Masters).
That could be as simple as Freeway not publishing anything kept in an
internal special folder called ‘unused’ or whatever.

Or maybe something like RapidWeaver has - a check box in the
Inspector called ‘Show in Menu’ which can be on or off for each page.
The pages are still uploaded, but the client can’t see or click on them.

best wishes

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One thing I forgot to mention in my last post is that being able to
proof across individual pages would also save upload time or
disturbing a live site when double checking across multiple browsers
on Macs and PCs even before the client sees anything.

Hugh has raised a very valid request.

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At 12:32 -0500 19/2/08, hugh wrote:

Not sure I get you, Joe.

I’m not expecting ‘people’ to ‘find’ my pages. i’m sending a
quick-publish page or two to a client who knows what’s coming - I
just want to halve/quarter the time taken to do it.

If it really is ‘one page’ that you want, browse to that page within
the ‘site’ folder with a browser ‘Open File’ and do a browser ‘Save
Page’. That will give you a .html file and a folder with all the bits
it needs for display. Zip them up and send to the client. They should
be able to unzip and open the .html file. The folder needs to remain
in the same relationship to the .html file - ie next to it.

David

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