publish just a page

I could see this as ‘export selected page(s)’ to email.
It could dump the files to a default or custom location - or even zip them
and open the default mail with them already in.

But such pages would only have active links that were within the page or
full external URLs.

Is it a priority feature?
Not for me as I get on fine with test sites.

all the best
Brian

Colin Alcock said recently:

This thread shows how we all find ways to make life easier for clients

  • if not necessarily for us! The crux of Hugh’s wish is that most
    clients just want to quickly vet the changes and/or additions, rather
    than click through the whole site to find individual pages.

So here’s a thought. The Freeway engine already separates any changed
pages from the rest to speed up each upload to the server. Therefore,
could an additional dialog be added, similar to ‘Upload…’ but called
‘Proof changes…’ that would upload only the changed pages to a
nominated test folder. Then, provided your changes/new pages don’t
affect a master page, one URL to the client will just take him/her to
the pages you want approved.

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Tim said [quote]1. Select the page in Freeway 2. Preview to Opera (www.opera.com) 3. Select ‘Save as…’ from the file menu and choose ‘Web archive (single file)’ in the format menu 4. This will save a mime encoded html file (.mht) with all of your images encapsulated within the single file 5. Send the client the file 6. The client can open the mht in not only Opera for the Mac or Windows but any version of Internet Explorer from version 5 onwards, simply by double-clicking the file.[/quote]

…unfortunately, Opera failed to save the page correctly as an .mht…probably because the page references an external CSS stylesheet and images which are not in the Resources folder? Anyway, whatever, it doesn’t work! And of course, these are just one page solutions when they do work!


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Sometime around 20/2/08 (at 15:40 +0000) Brian Steere said:

I could see this as ‘export selected page(s)’ to email.
It could dump the files to a default or custom location - or even zip them
and open the default mail with them already in.

But such pages would only have active links that were within the page or
full external URLs.

So the client would be evaluating something that would be created
programmatically incomplete? Sounds like a recipe for confusion to
me! No, I think this whole discussion sounds too much like attempting
to reinvent the wheel.

Use folders, don’t provide cross-linking to or from certain pages,
use different domains or sub-domains… all these techniques are
normal functions of regular web design and production, not new
features and concepts made just to solve something that is, as far as
I’m concerned anyway, not actually a real problem.

I’m really, truly sorry for being a party pooper, but I’ve been
thinking this throughout the whole thread.

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Never consider yourself a party pooper, Keith. Your opinions (and
knowledge) are too valuable. Hugh’s request is probably only really
valid for light users of Freeway or those whose abilities are centred
more on design than construction and just want a simple OK on the look
of pages. My earlier comments aside, I tend to agree that there’s a
limited need for single/selected page publishing, yet I can see how it
could help get that quick ‘OK’ on format changes, especially on a live
site.

As to a client evaluating something programmatically complete, you
could only achieve this by finishing the whole site before it was ever
shown to anyone. A client usually wants to see something of what he’s
getting before then, if only to comment on, and if made to wait that
long, he/she would probably make changes on principle.

For me? I’ll stick to the set of client folders on my server for
construction and direct my clients via a distinct URL to WIP pages or
partial sites, technically incomplete maybe, when necessary. At least
it irons out client foibles before things get too far.

Oh! for a perfect world - or even a perfect client!! :0)

Colin

On 20 Feb 2008, at 21:31, Keith Martin wrote:

So the client would be evaluating something that would be created
programmatically incomplete? … I think this whole discussion
sounds too much like attempting
to reinvent the wheel.

I’m really, truly sorry for being a party pooper, but I’ve been
thinking this throughout the whole thread.

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Sometime around 20/2/08 (at 23:26 +0000) Colin Alcock said:

As to a client evaluating something programmatically complete, you
could only achieve this by finishing the whole site before it was ever
shown to anyone.

Yep, but the idea of links being removed from a page automatically
(i.e. behind your back) seems like taking steps backwards as well as
forwards at the same time. With an additional layer of complication
involved.

The idea of making a folder and putting pages in there still seems
like the easiest solution. This can be a folder within the Freeway
document’s Site panel, or a ready-made folder for storing work in
progress in their own respective folders.

I have a folder called “clients” that I use. In there I put folders
for each client. The server doesn’t do directory listing and I don’t
include an index.html file, so people can only go where they’re told
within there.

Perhaps what would help more would be a way to set pages or folders
not to be published. A bit of a backwards solution for what’s been
discussed, but it is something that’s been requested by a great many
people.

Oh! for a perfect world - or even a perfect client!! :0)

Mmm… would be good, eh?

Thanks for the nice words BTW. :slight_smile:

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On 20 Feb 2008, at 23:50, Keith Martin wrote:

Perhaps what would help more would be a way to set pages or folders
not to be published. A bit of a backwards solution for what’s been
discussed, but it is something that’s been requested by a great many
people.

I’d second (or third) that. It would seem to fit with the Freeway
ethic of giving control to the designer.

Cheers
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Keith said: [quote]Use folders, don’t provide cross-linking to or from certain pages, use different domains or sub-domains… all these techniques are normal functions of regular web design and production, not new features and concepts made just to solve something that is, as far as I’m concerned anyway, not actually a real problem.[/quote]

Hang on, Keith…apart from most of what you said there going right over my head, surely publishing to a folder on your computer hard drive is exactly what Freeway does at the moment? All I’m asking for is the ability to select which pages I want to publish!! It’s bucket science, not rocket science!

I’m sure that some power users are all set up to instantly publish to a polished rank of sub-categorised server folders and all that…but I’m not. And, I suspect, quite a lot of ‘lower caste’ freeway users probably ain’t either! I’m sure that you and Walter and others CAN do all these things, and they’re probably not that hard. But does the mass of people out there in the world use the other 90% of Microsoft Word?..!!!

Freeway will, of course, publish a full 100 page site to a folder (given time and a cup of tea). All I’m asking is for the option to publish pages 1, 33 and 39 to another folder!

Personally I think it would be an absolutely tops feature, and it WOULD solve a REAL problem…at least in my web design world.

When Freeway set out, if I remember rightly, it was to make publishing web sites easy for the (relatively) uninitiated. It would do away with code. It would make things easy. I’m asking for a feature that would ‘make things easy’. Or have we moved beyond that now?..

Hugh

ps. Colin’s nice words reiterated…:wink:


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Sometime around 20/2/08 (at 19:41 -0500) hugh said:

Freeway will, of course, publish a full 100 page site to a folder
(given time and a cup of tea). All I’m asking is for the option to
publish pages 1, 33 and 39 to another folder!

:slight_smile:
My apologies. But perhaps I can help, as it really isn’t as complex
as it might seem!

Here’s one approach that you could take. One out of many different
approaches I should add, but one that should help you do the sort of
thing that’s been discussed, without anything more than making use of
Freeway’s own features. No, it doesn’t get around the fact that if
you need to publish and upload 100 pages that can take a little
time. But of course, most of the time you’re not uploading all 100
pages… you’re only uploading the ones that have been changed since
the last upload.


In your Freeway document’s Site panel, make a new folder and call it
something like “development” (without the quotes, naturally). Drag
all your pages and folders into this new folder.

Now make a holding page at the ‘top level’ in the Site panel, where
your existing pages used to be before you shoved them into the new
folder. Make this your index.html page so this will always be shown.

At this point, the only way someone can find your other pages is if
they guess the folder name. Security through obscurity. :slight_smile:

If you want to have a folder for your ongoing development AND a
folder for your client to look at, just make another folder and drag
some pages into that one. The client can visit the one they are told
about, and they won’t know about the one they haven’t been told about.

You’l have to make sure you don’t have working links that go from one
folder to the other, or the client may simply click their way to the
other folder without even realising it! You can use Freeway’s Link
Map view to check where each page links to.


Again, I realise this isn’t what’s been discussed. But does this help
explain one folder-based approach? The really cool thing about doing
this is that Freeway will manage all links for you as you juggle
pages and folders. Sure, you’ll need to republish every page that
links to something that you’ve moved, but all links are kept up to
date; it all just works as you drag your pages into and out of
folders in the Site panel.

If this doesn’t really help much, please don’t let my comments stop
anyone from thrashing out possible alternatives. Softpress’s
engineers read this list, and if there are ways to solve problems
that make sense in the big scheme of things and don’t cause other
problems (remember, they’ll have the kind of overview that us users
struggle to glimpse) then those is likely to appear SOME day. But o’
course we mustn’t start to think this is a magic way to bend an
application to our own personal desires. :slight_smile:

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I agree with Kieth, this is the way we work. In Freeway we have a folder called “test” or “setup” and pages can be option-dragged into this. Its easier to send a link to a page via email, rather than the whole procedure of sending HTML files. And anyway - do I actually want them to have my HTML files and graphics? probably not.

It best to have the preview environment where you can control the clients experience - and thats online.


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How about this?:

  1. In Freeway Create a folder called “preview” (or what ever you need to call it).
  2. Option-drag to duplicate the pages 1, 33, and 39 in the folder (you can even set up a quick link in freeway to link up these 3 pages).
  3. Upload the site (Freeway creates the new folder on the server)
  4. Open online in Safari - File > Mail link to this Page creating a link http://www.mydomain/preview/page1.html
  5. Add your comments in the email.

This will work with existing sites, or for new sites just create the test pages in the preview folder.

David

On 21 Feb 2008, at 00:41, hugh wrote:

All I’m asking is for the option to publish pages 1, 33 and 39 to another folder!

David Owen
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I think we all really agree with Keith that the best current option is
in the ‘test folder’ mode. I keep a specific, password protected
folder for each client (not that I have that many in my supposed
retirement!) on server space remote from their own web hosting. Those
who need can access theirs easily and, apart from the web site, I can
drop in sensitive (e.g. new product) PDFs and images which they might
need to approve/download?etc. Not 100% secure, but no prying eyes seem
to have embarrassed me yet.

And even as I type this, I see David Owen has another way to offer -
also folder based, but within Freeway.

So Hugh, you now know what you should do - but that needn’t stop those
clever folks at Softpress Towers considering (in due time) an
alternative that matches the spirit of Freeway’s ultimate ease of use.

Colin

On 21 Feb 2008, at 12:47, dwn wrote:

I agree with Kieth, this is the way we work.


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Yes - this might extend usefully in this thread’s direction if there were
checkboxes per folder and perhaps a select all/select none toggle.
But this non publish would have to then remove the pages set to not be
published from the server.

There is room for users to confound themselves in these scenarios.
And on that basis alone I think SP wont implement it.

It isn’t as if the functionality of sending a design to a client isn’t
available at all. Its just a copy paste into a new document which can be
filed and named and kept tidy without more ado than any other kind of file.

Now if Freeway had the option when first saving a new document, to auto
create and save into a parent folder derived from the name of the Freeway
document with a default publish destination and a media folder set up - this
would make it a bit smoother to have extra copies or parts of sites kept as
additional resources.

Or would it? Seems good to me as I write it.

all the best
Brian

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Perhaps what would help more would be a way to set pages or folders
not to be published. A bit of a backwards solution for what’s been
discussed, but it is something that’s been requested by a great many
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This is precisely what happens if you open a template. Any document
you create in Pro can be saved as a template, and then when you open
that, you get the auto-media-folder wahoo for free.

In addition, 5 brings the ability to do what QuarkXPress and InDesign
have done forever – Collect for Output/Package – you’ll find that
in File > Save Archive. What this does is collect all of your far-
flung external files into a neat OCD-compliant structure.

It sounds as though either of these would get you pretty close to
what you describe here.

Walter

On Feb 21, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Brian Steere wrote:

Now if Freeway had the option when first saving a new document,
to auto
create and save into a parent folder derived from the name of the
Freeway
document with a default publish destination and a media folder set
up - this
would make it a bit smoother to have extra copies or parts of sites
kept as
additional resources.

Or would it? Seems good to me as I write it.


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Would you believe it…I often design a web site in advance of a client having web space!!

Nor do I have my own web space…I preview locally, and in the case of PHP and scripts I run locally on MAMP.

This may shock you all but it works for me!

But the point is…I often don’t have a server to do all this mullarkarey on… :wink:

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If you are running (Tiger?) Leopard, you can still package things for
your clients from your local preview. Simply go to the page you want
to show in Safari, and select “File/Mail Contents of This Page” from
the main menu. This won’t be perfect (for that, you really need to
use a screenshot) but it will get the pages to the client.

Walter

On Feb 21, 2008, at 9:40 AM, hugh wrote:

Would you believe it…I often design a web site [b]in advance[/
b] of a client having web space!!

Nor do I have my own web space…I preview locally, and in the
case of PHP and scripts I run locally on MAMP.

This may shock you all but it works for me!

But the point is…I often don’t have a server to do all this
mullarkarey on… :wink:

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On 21 Feb 2008, at 14:51, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

If you are running (Tiger?) Leopard, you can still package things for
your clients from your local preview. Simply go to the page you want
to show in Safari, and select “File/Mail Contents of This Page” from
the main menu. This won’t be perfect (for that, you really need to
use a screenshot) but it will get the pages to the client.

Also it seems, you have to be careful. I was testing this feature the
other day and I tried to send the ‘contents of this page’ to myself
via email from Safari. It was the BBC News site, and it rendered the
navigation as just a plain UL in Mail, no CSS applied.

best wishes

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Yes - one could set up a blank site with sized page as a template and then
one doesn’t have anything except to paste into it and save it.

I don’t need all this myself as I tend to involve my clients from as early
in the process as they are willing and just let them access a test folder
online and can juggle dupes of pages or whatever as serves my need.

But I can see that it could be useful way of archiving bits of sites or
designs etc.

I have bought 5 anyway and hope it works for me. Freeway with CSS
positioning isn’t as design led as table based and I haven’t found a
sufficient desire or need to get into it. I also have quite a few sites in
3.5 that I cant justify the time and risks of migrating.
But hopefully I can migrate 4 sites without similar glitches (?) so I will
only have to run 3.5 and 5 (except I will probably have to keep 4 as a
stepping stone for migrations.

I haven’t had time to play in beta but am looking forward to trying it out.
regards
Brian

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This is precisely what happens if you open a template. Any document
you create in Pro can be saved as a template, and then when you open
that, you get the auto-media-folder wahoo for free.

In addition, 5 brings the ability to do what QuarkXPress and InDesign
have done forever – Collect for Output/Package – you’ll find that
in File > Save Archive. What this does is collect all of your far-
flung external files into a neat OCD-compliant structure.

It sounds as though either of these would get you pretty close to
what you describe here.

Walter

On Feb 21, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Brian Steere wrote:

Now if Freeway had the option when first saving a new document,
to auto
create and save into a parent folder derived from the name of the
Freeway
document with a default publish destination and a media folder set
up - this
would make it a bit smoother to have extra copies or parts of sites
kept as
additional resources.

Or would it? Seems good to me as I write it.


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Well Hugh, why don’t you just get some web space and have an easier time of
it all?
ISPs in Uk give include webspace which would be fine for most testing.
And for £20-£30 PA you can get a domain and hosting that you can publicise
your work and also use as a test place.

Mularkarey is either automatic with Freeway or a drag and drop in FTP app.
I don’t see any caste system - different people acquire different skills and
here - there are many willing to share from that.

I applaud your capacity to find the ways that work for you despite handicap
but not if it handicaps you further.
all the best
Brian

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Would you believe it…I often design a web site in advance of a
client having web space!!

Nor do I have my own web space…I preview locally, and in the case of PHP
and scripts I run locally on MAMP.

This may shock you all but it works for me!

But the point is…I often don’t have a server to do all this mullarkarey
on… :wink:

Hugh


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Yep - we’re very willing to offer that for you from only £2.08 a month. :slight_smile:

We have php, mysql, scripts, email, webmail, mailing lists, all sorts to play around with, and expand your web design knowledge.

Have a look and test drive a control panel here:-

http://www.printlineadvertising.co.uk/freeway

David

On 21 Feb 2008, at 17:09, Brian Steere wrote:

ISPs in Uk give include webspace which would be fine for most testing.

And for £20-£30 PA you can get a domain and hosting that you can publicise

your work and also use as a test place.

David Owen
Freeway Friendly Web hosting and Domains ::

http://www.printlineadvertising.co.uk/freeway
http://www.ineedwebhosting.co.uk

hehe…no chance, boys!!

Well, never mind. Seems like everyone prefers a server solution.

I am used to working with servers and uploading client files etc. But for what I want here, your server solutions do nothing for me at all. It’s just more management and ‘fiddling’ around. Sorry. it doesn’t speak ‘ease of use’ to me one iota.

I’m sure I’ll get by one way or the other. But I do still think it’s a good idea.

Hugh


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