Rogue Diagonals/Diagonals on Grid

LOL!

finally this thread is getting better! :slight_smile:

Okay, fair enough, but to most, one whiff of the mention of
maths and most folk are off in the opposite direction!

You know this is the one thing I really don’t like about
the Intaglio list- well this list. A forum should be a place of
discussion, and a place
to upload images (I have literally hundreds, all done with Intaglio,
some good,
others not so good

A forum should be a place, Socrates would have hoped for- if he were
alive today.

bset,

Tom
On 3 Jul 2008, at 18:38, Alain Schremmer wrote:

OT!!! OT!!! OT!!! OT!!!

On Jul 3, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Tom Fenn wrote:

[I]t is worth reading about the Swiss mathematician Leonhard
Euler.

As a professional mathematician, I cannot but wholeheartedly agree
with you. :-))

In fact, Euler is, with Poincaré, the mathematician I most relate to.
(But I had my Bourbaki moment of folly too.)

Regards
–schremmer


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FWIW, there’s a problem with the resize is currently done. Currently you’re just scaling the object over and over as you drag a handle. However when you get the size of the object down near zero then scale it back up again rounding errors can accumulate. I’m updating the way resize works to avoid this in version 3.0.


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Excellent, it seems to be a problem when I make any big scale, so that seems to be related to my problem, although sometimes copying and pasting a diagonal also result in corruption.

I was wondering whether it might be related to memory problems, as I seem to get this most with my most complicated maps, the more complicated the more errors.

I’m using 10.4.10 with a 2MB Mac Mini Intel.


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Max, out of interest, on the Underground map, how did you create the triangle that’s defined by Hounslow, Feltham and Whitton?

I did it by drawing 3 paths, converting the strokes to fills and combining the shapes into a single closed path with Unite. Unfortunately, the inside of the triangle was filled with colour, not transparent. The solution was to click the Even/Odd button in the Fill palette. This made the triangle transparent, but it was far from obvious.

As a further test, I drew an extra closed path between the 45 degree and horizontal paths and clicked Even/Odd. The ‘hole’ was transparent, but the triangle disappeared! After a lot of fiddling, I eventually recreated the ‘triangle’, but it was a real performance.


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Ian,

Its real noddy stuff, just four strokes and two arcs (three green, three yellow). What I like about Intaglio is its really easy to line everything up properly, either by smartguides (horizontals and verticals) or by eye (diagonals, around 800% magnification and a couple of arrow dabs gets it perfect).

I don’t like the way that the various paths options seem to work in Intaglio (combine, unite etc.), after Canvas, they seem primitive and clunky. I’m not asking for extra features, just noting that they don’t buy me anything for my particular work, and so they may as well not be there. Of course, I might not be understanding them, not much to the manual.

Map designers are generally quite a conservative bunch, they prefer simple strokes and arcs, and avoid program specific features whenever possible. The reason for this is many years of things that look great on the screen going horribly wrong when converted to eps, makes the designers very cautious.


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I finally sussed out how to do it at 1 am this morning!

  1. Draw the paths. In this case, the stroke was made 14 pts wide and coloured yellow.
  2. Select Object>Convert>Stroke to Fill. The stroke (or arc) is converted to a closed path.
  3. Select All.
  4. Select Object>Paths>Combine. This seems to be the key step.
  5. Select Object>Paths>Unite. The inside of the ‘triangle’ shape (which should be transparent) is filled with colour.
  6. Click the Even/Odd button in the Fill palette. The inside of the ‘triangle’ becomes transparent.
  7. Make the stroke 7 pts wide and colour it green.

When it comes to path operations, Canvas, Illustrator (v6) and Expression are much easier to use. For example, in all 3 programs, if you draw a ‘jailhouse window’ where the window frame and bars are oblong closed paths, all you do is draw the oblong shapes, select all, Unite them into a single shape and the ‘holes’ between the bars are automatically transparent. You don’t have to Combine the shapes prior to Uniting them, or press Even/Odd to create the transparency. In this respect, Intaglio is more complex than it needs to be.


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Maybe I missed a post about it, but none of the Beta releases will
accepth my registration number and hence remain “demo” copies. Will
the final release accept my existing serial number?


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Hi Jack.

Yes of course.

I’m running both the beta and 2.x.x with no problems
apart from that it’s too tempting just to work in the beta
which is a tad more unstable (mostly).
On 10 Jul 2008, at 21:28, Jack Jennings wrote:

Maybe I missed a post about it, but none of the Beta releases will
accepth my registration number and hence remain “demo” copies. Will
the final release accept my existing serial number?


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Licenses distributed as part of a bundle (e.g., MacUpdate) will require an upgrade fee, others will be free. However if you’re using a bundle license you should have seen a notice about this when you launched the beta.

Due to counterfeited serial numbers floating around the internet new versions are more particular about the format of the serial number string you enter. You need to enter it exactly as it was provided to you and make sure there aren’t any extra spaces (e.g., at the start or end), etc. The current version is pretty strict about this but the final version will be somewhat more forgiving.


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I purchased mine from Kagi in December of 2007 and actually copied as
pasted the serial number from your email into two beta versions of 3.
It was rejected as being “invalid” both times. this discouraged me
from doing any testing of version 3 because I can’t save any work.

Licenses distributed as part of a bundle (e.g., MacUpdate) will
require an upgrade fee, others will be free. However if you’re
using a bundle license you should have seen a notice about this when
you launched the beta.

Due to counterfeited serial numbers floating around the internet new
versions are more particular about the format of the serial number
string you enter. You need to enter it exactly as it was provided
to you and make sure there aren’t any extra spaces (e.g., at the
start or end), etc. The current version is pretty strict about this
but the final version will be somewhat more forgiving.


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Version 2.9.8 is very strict about getting the exact characters pasted in but due to these problems version 3.0 will be less strict. The most common problem I’ve seen is that people sometimes accidently get an extra space or two at the end of the text they paste without realizing it. Another problem is that sometimes you can get two lines of text without seeing it in the single line field. If you’re having troubles you might try hitting the delete key a couple times to make sure you’re deleting all the old text before adding anything new.


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