Rollover Action issue needs to be fixed

I’ve been using Freeway since it’s inception, made tons of sites and I’ve never had more problems than with it’s rollover method of stacking. It is simply unreliable and brings the workflow to a complete standstill. This should be a simple foolproof task -not the hit/miss nightmare it seems to be.

I’ve tried every tutorial- read every forum note and followed the multitude of suggestions. Still can’t get it to work. So I make my assets in Photoshop and load them with the older rollover action method – no problems working that way-- but it kind of defeats the FW-way.

So, I know it’s been posted before, but if someone will kindly lay out a working step-by-step plan one more time for a frustrated guy, I’d certainly appreciate it and try again one more time to get this to work.

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Sometime around 1/9/08 (at 15:43 -0400) DVTVFilm said:

if someone will kindly lay out a working step-by-step plan one more time

If the items are layered you’ll need to group them together before
trying to make them into a rollover ‘set’. Then, and only then, will
you see the various items in the Rollover action’s checkbox array.

Check and uncheck different items in the Normal and the MouseOver
columns to select which items will be merged into the final ‘Normal’
and rollover ‘MouseOver’ graphics.

The issue that you might then have is that you’ll need to select the
container rather than the items inside in order to drag or nudge it
around your page. Point at the very edge of the item and you’ll get
the container rather than the contained.

If you can without affecting your layout, you could then extend the
width or height of the container so you have something that’s a
little easier to grab.

Does this address your issues at all? Could you give a little more
detail, perhaps?

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Thanks for the reply. Putting the stacked graphics in a container seems to present other problems-including the rollovers not behaving properly (ie changed order of sequencing)

Oddly enough, I did get a rollover to work the tutorial way (layers off—combine graphics off) -but this only works if I build it in the off page work area AND ONLY if I turn off the BLUE CSS BUTTON at the time of it’s creation. After I reposition the rollover button on the web page I can then turn the CSS BUTTON back on.

This is, so far, the only way I got one of these rollover buttons to work.

Don’t understand the CSS connection— and since CSS is the preferred FW default now, it seems strange that I have to turn it off to create a working rollover. This kind’a defeats the CSS purpose of the page -and seems to be a bug in basic methodology of creating a simple rollover.

But I could be wrong on why this seems to make it work…I’m not a programmer. Still, it seems wrong to me…

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Sometime around 2/9/08 (at 22:20 -0400) DVTVFilm said:

Thanks for the reply. Putting the stacked graphics in a container
seems to present other problems-including the rollovers not behaving
properly (ie changed order of sequencing)

That, I’m afraid, is simply down to getting the checkboxes wrong!
Seriously, that only happens with my rollovers if I actually pick the
wrong items myself in the Rollover settings. :slight_smile:

Try giving each item a meaningful name rather than just item1a and so
on. That should help you see which ones to show and hide for each
state.

As for the CSS issue… that is just weird. There MUST be something
you’re not describing that you do when you perform this process.
Making rollovers is done either with unlayered graphics in a regular
stack, or with stacked graphics grouped into a layered container.
Other than that difference in handling the collection of items
there’s no difference in how things are done.

Oh, one issue with unlayered graphics is that they’ll combine with
other graphics if you move them on top of a different image box. But
that’s either not something to worry about or something easily solved
by unchecking the Combine Graphics box.

You’re not anywhere near London, are you? I’d be happy to meet and
show you how things work if we’re not in different parts of the
world. Although there is a particular knack, I guess, it doesn’t take
programming in any shape or form…

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On 3 Sep 2008, at 08:25, Keith Martin wrote:

Oh, one issue with unlayered graphics is that they’ll combine with
other graphics if you move them on top of a different image box. But
that’s either not something to worry about or something easily solved
by unchecking the Combine Graphics box.

Sorry Keith, just wanted to add that the graphic item at the back
should have the Combine Graphics option turned off, anything inside
the Rollover should be left to combine. The Rollover Action requires
combined graphics to work (this is why two layers won’t work unless
grouped).

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Sometime around 3/9/08 (at 09:07 +0100) Joe Billings said:

the graphic item at the back
should have the Combine Graphics option turned off, anything inside
the Rollover should be left to combine. The Rollover Action requires
combined graphics to work (this is why two layers won’t work unless
grouped).

Hmm… ‘Combine with Children’ - interesting subtle difference!
Thanks for the nudge. :slight_smile:

Yes, I’ve always used the Combine Graphics option with unlayered
graphics. When working with layered items the group container is
layered and therefore doesn’t need to be uncombined from what’s
beneath it as it won’t merge anyway.

So - from tests, here’s what I’ve found:


  1. The Rollover action works well with Combine Graphics on or off
    as long as the set of graphics isn’t layered.

  2. The Rollover action does NOT work if Combine Graphics (or any
    variation on that term) is turned off for layered items.

  3. Working with UNLAYERED items that are GROUPED seems to be a Bad
    Idea, as Rollover settings more or less just don’t work. (Perhaps
    this is part of where Todd is having problems?)

  4. When working with layers, don’t even think about uncombining
    graphics in any way, as this Fubars the Rollover’s ability to work.

  5. When working with NON-layered items, don’t apply the Rollover
    action until you’ve figured out if you want to uncheck the Combine
    Graphics option. If that’s done afterwards, the Rollover action will
    be left attached to the bottom-most item, which will almost always
    NOT be what you wanted as your button set.


I knew the first and last points, but the rest were news to me.
Setting up rollovers is still something that I don’t find
particularly difficult, although I am a little frustrated by the
current limitations imposed when dealing with layers, and when not
dealing with layers I’m slightly unsatisfied with how things behave
if the Combine Graphics checkbox is toggled.

Still, though, setting up rollovers is generally not problematic.
Todd, if you’re in the area my offer stands.

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Keith, I’m stateside, so it would be a heck of a swim. But thanks for all the advice. I’ll keep at this until I get it working 100%.


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Hi
have you seen the Freeway Moments on this subject? There is the one for creating rollovers in Freeway:
http://www.softpress.com/support/freewaymoments.php?q=LQ&m=4
This one is fairly simple, and doesn’t go into too much depth, but will give you enough to get to started on making rollovers.

This one for slicing images - and this includes getting rollovers to work when placed over other images:
http://www.softpress.com/support/freewaymoments.php?q=LQ&m=7
It’s a tad more advanced that the previous Moment I mentioned.

Both these moments are made with Freeway 4, but you will find that Freeway 5 works just the same in this area. I am planning on remaking the Rollover Moment soon (sans banjo music), so if there are any areas which may be worth covering, let me know and I’ll see if I can work them in.

Moments are available as a podcast too - you can subscribe using the link on the page.


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Brilliant-- didn’t know about Freeway Moments, but I love them. Clear, concise –I’m watching them all! I’ve already picked up on several aspects of the program that I’ve been doing or understood differently (probably the language barrier (English/American)). I hope you’ll keep making these. I’ll be applying this method (groups) to my rollovers from now on. Many tanks.

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*many thanks… (can’t spell)


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