Its been a few years since I used Freeway.
There used to be an action that I could assign to an image so that I could actually edit it over in a margin of my document but when it displayed in the browser it was elsewhere.
This allowed me to have all sorts of images superimposed, and still edit them all cleanly.
What happened to that action?
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Sometime around 27/7/08 (at 00:36 -0400) tedg said:
Its been a few years since I used Freeway.
There used to be an action that I could assign to an image so that I
could actually edit it over in a margin of my document but when it
displayed in the browser it was elsewhere.
Hi Ted, welcome back to Freeway.
I have to admit that I don’t remember any action that did that - but
that doesn’t mean there wasn’t one. 
One way you could do this would be to have your ‘master’ image
off-page as before (set to NOT be layered, or it would still be
included in the page output), then simple select and export it to
disk.
Use this output as part of your rollover set, and just replace the
original image with your export each time you change and re-export it.
BUT - did you know that you can select items that are stacked beneath
other items quite simply? Just hold down the Apple and the Alt keys
(otherwise known as command-option) and click your way through your
stack. Watch the Inspector palette as you go.
You can also use the ‘array’ view of the Rollover action controls in
the Actions palette to see what item is selected, select different
items, and show the different rollover/click states.
Finally, if you’re using Freeway 5, you can also switch the Site
panel to show just the current page, and see all your page items
listed in their stacking order. Click something in the list to select
it on the page, or command-option-click items in the layout and watch
this list to see what’s selected.
As you try this you’ll see the distinct advantage of naming things
clearly. And this, as a fringe benefit, can help ever so slightly in
search engine ranking.
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Keith Martin wrote on 7/27/08:
Sometime around 27/7/08 (at 00:36 -0400) tedg said:
There used to be an action that I could assign to an image so that I
could actually edit it over in a margin of my document but when it
displayed in the browser it was elsewhere.Hi Ted, welcome back to Freeway.
One way you could do this would be to have your ‘master’ image
off-page as before (set to NOT be layered, or it would still be
included in the page output), then simple select and export it to
disk.
Use this output as part of your rollover set, and just replace the
original image with your export each time you change and re-export it.
Thank you Keith-
I should have mentioned this is Pro.
I’m not sure I grasp this technique. This only works when the images
are the same size and you want to replace images in a single
container, right?
Let me describe the problem a little better.
I have a paragraph of PNG text. Each word has a map area over it that
serves as a rollover trigger. For each word that I rollover there
will be a much larger PNG text image that appears over that word.
Additionally, for each word I click, there will a different text PNG.
All of these have translucent backgrounds. We are talking a hundred
adjacent triggers and two hundred overlapping text images that pop
up, each of which is a different size and needs to be placed uniquely
and precisely.
Now your “select stacked” technique would work in a pinch if only I
could edit the text of the PNG graphic in the inspector. But I do
remember doing something like this five years or so ago, where the
objects were virtually placed by specification in an action.
BUT - did you know that you can select items that are stacked beneath
other items quite simply? Just hold down the Apple and the Alt keys
(otherwise known as command-option) and click your way through your
stack. Watch the Inspector palette as you go.You can also use the ‘array’ view of the Rollover action controls in
the Actions palette to see what item is selected, select different
items, and show the different rollover/click states.
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Sometime around 27/7/08 (at 09:14 -0400) Ted Goranson said:
I should have mentioned this is Pro.
Which version? I mean, are you using your old version or have you
updated to the current one?
I’m not sure I grasp this technique. This only works when the images
are the same size and you want to replace images in a single
container, right?
This does, yes. I didn’t realise you wanted to work with so many
images, OR that they are actually images of text. Ignoring the issue
of using graphics instead of layered text boxes (which might well be
better, but I said I’d ignore that!)…
Now your “select stacked” technique would work in a pinch if only I
could edit the text of the PNG graphic in the inspector.
Hmm. Okay, once you have the graphic box selected, hit the Enter key
on your keyboard. This ‘opens’ the box for text editing, showing the
text content on top of whatever might actually be in front.
Give it a go. It sounds like it will be a little different from the
workflow you expected - but it also sounds like it might be a real
help.
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Hi Ted,
Welcome back. Where have you been ?
Was it Paul’s Div-a-Tron action (http://www.softpress.com/kb/article.php?id=643)??)
Regards,
Tim.
On 26 Jul 2008, at 21:36, tedg wrote:
Its been a few years since I used Freeway.
There used to be an action that I could assign to an image so that I could actually edit it over in a margin of my document but when it displayed in the browser it was elsewhere.
This allowed me to have all sorts of images superimposed, and still edit them all cleanly.
What happened to that action?
Keith-
This is latest Pro on the latest OSX
Keith Martin wrote on 7/27/08:
I’m not sure I grasp this technique. This only works when the images
are the same size and you want to replace images in a single
container, right?This does, yes. I didn’t realise you wanted to work with so many
images, OR that they are actually images of text. Ignoring the issue
of using graphics instead of layered text boxes (which might well be
better, but I said I’d ignore that!)…
Actually, I am having trouble getting even the basics to work.
I went with graphic elements because that seemed to work best, but
now it is failing.
So let me ask a basic question about strategy.
What I have is a number of words in a graphic text box. The graphic
text is required because the font is significant.
For each word, I want to be able to roll over it and have a larger
graphic text box appear. Ideally it would appear over the smaller
original text so that at 50% transparency the old text would be
occluded. This would only be seen when the mouse is over the original
trigger area. Then, clicking either on the new popped up graphic or
the original graphic, a third box of the same size will appear,
closing when clicked on.
I fiddled, and for no good reason went with clear graphic rectangles
over the original text for my rollover triggers. This introduced
layering problems where the target popup has to appear under the
original text. Or so I thought but a graphic trigger in the same
space as the target does not work even if the trigger is forward.
I also, similarly for no good reason decided to go with graphic
targets instead of layers. This was all out of ignorance.
I strongly suspect that I can do what I want to with rollovers and
existing actions.
-T
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This is latest Pro on the latest OSX
Excellent - then we can let rip with suggestions without worrying
about whether you’re able to do them all!
I strongly suspect that I can do what I want to with rollovers and
existing actions.
Probably, that’s often how things go in Freeway.
I can’t whip up more suggestions right now as I need to start
packing. I’m off to Turkey tomorrow for a week, then I’ll be working
at Fairport Convention’s Cropredy Festival again the week afterwards.
So best of luck Ted, and see y’all in a while!
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Tim Plumb wrote on 7/27/08:
Hi Ted,
Welcome back. Where have you been ?
Inventing stuff. Now that I have some funded projects again, its time to start doing some sites.
This time around, the sites aren’t just to talk about some ideas, but to illustrate them. So it should be a challenge.
Was it Paul’s Div-a-Tron action (http://www.softpress.com/kb/article.php?id=643)??)
Regards,
Tim.
I don’t remember the name , but it must have been. I do recall it was by one of you mavens. But it doesn’t seem installable by conventional means.
Good to be back. All seems pretty familiar, even my frustration at the automatically growing styles.
-T
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Hi Ted
doesn’t seem installable by conventional means.
If you have this old action it will probably be suffixed with .act3
If you change this to .fwaction and then drag it over your FW5 icon in the dock then it will get installed in 5. Whether it will work with 5 or not is a different matter.
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I think I have my basic problem solved. I am using layers and can
therefore arrange the order.
Thanks to those who responded. Its good to be back.
Going to try Paul’s Div-a-Tron action if I can figure how to load it.
Ted Goranson
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