Rollovers and Where am I going wrong?

I recently purchased FW Pro and have been working with it off and on for about 3 weeks. Due to my real job I haven’t been able to just jump in and dedicate the necessary time to fully understand the complete structure of FW, but feel that I am making good progress.

FW has some tremendous features which are far superior to the design program that I was using in Windows, but there is a learning curve, which I feel that I can master, given time.

The subject at hand is Rollovers, Rollover instructions, and the final file structure.

What I am working on is a simple set of rollover buttons, 6 in total. The first problem that I had, after watching the videos and reading the manual was simply getting to the action to create the initial rollover. As it turned out the instructions said create a third object (text object) → select all 3 objects → group → align → apply the rollover action. However this would never allow me to get to the rollover action. What I had done was use 2 graphics and my third was an HTML object, thinking that it was supposed to be an HTML object for the text. Finally after a whole bunch of trial and error I found that the text object was actually supposed to be a graphic, and what do you know, I could now apply the rollover action.

What the above really says is that there needs to be some improvement in the instructions in both the videos and the written manual.

Next problem:

The instructions state that you can duplicate the rollovers simply by holding down the Option key and drag. Well, that doesn’t work on my system. I have to use the main menu option → duplicate → drag the duplicate into position and then repeat those steps for each rollover. By doing the above I was able to get my 6 rollover buttons.

Next problem:

When I created my rollovers, I of course did that on the master page for use later in all of my additional pages. Works great! However, what I see as a problem is that I should end up with 12 graphic objects, 2 objects for each of the 6 rollovers. Each of the 6 rollovers should be different because of the variable text for each button. However, in the end result each page created from the master may end up with additional images, and these images will have to be loaded as each page is called, whereas the initial 12 images that I refer to above should be the only ones called from the Resource folder.

What happens when you are on dial-up (which I am not, but do use it to test functions) is that each page loads the rollover buttons in a choppy manner as opposed to simply flashing onto the page based on what has already been downloaded and held in the browsers cache.

I haven’t use Preload in the past, but my understanding of it is that it is supposed to preloads objects so that they can be displayed, for lack of other words, in a flash like action. Perhaps I am wrong here.

Perhaps I am all wet behind the ears here, or perhaps I am doing something wrong, but this is what my experience has shown me so far.

I sure wouldn’t mind hearing what others have experienced regarding this, and if I may be missing something.

Loren


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I cannot agree more: the failure to mention that you cannot add an HTML as part of a rollover was a source of frustration to me too. I found this post after many hours of useless explorations.
Should have been mentioned in the tutorials and manual.

Thank you for sharing this elementary piece of information,
Loren.

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Sometime around 12/1/08 (at 12:39 -0500) VGP said:

I cannot agree more: the failure to mention that you cannot add an
HTML as part of a rollover was a source of frustration to me too.

Could you explain what you actually want to do? Could you post a link
to an example page of your efforts?
It seemed to me from your previous post that the problems you were
having came from two things…

The first was to do with understanding how to deal with stacks of
objects (selecting and dragging the top one does not move them all).

The second was to do with how (a) overlapping, unlayered graphics
will be merged into a composite graphic when published, unless you
say otherwise, and (b) rollover code can only refer to whole graphics
at a time. This explains why you were getting a ‘whole page’ rollover
when you wanted just one element to do this.

There are ways to add code to different things, with methods ranging
from dedicated actions through to adding ‘extended’ parameters to
elements or brute-force HTML markup. But before going down that route
it is wise to make sure you are able to get the most from the main
Freeway feature set. You may find that it is actually possible to do
what you’re after without resorting to hybrid code methods. :slight_smile:

Best of luck!

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Could you explain what you actually want to do?

I can do it now.

…the simplest, a most elementary rollover following the instructions, both from the manual and the movie tutorial on Softpress site, with two shapes and a text, as a button.
Initially I couldn’t because one piece of information was missing from the instructions: you can’t use an HTML element in the rollover, as you expect the text should be.
Now I can do it, because I stumbled upon Loren’s post, who discovered after some explorations of her own that the text should be GRAPHIC in order for the rollover to work.
As simple as that.
If the tutorials or the manual mentioned this detail somewhere, I miserably failed to see it.
If they didn’t, they should have.

Could you post a link

to an example page of your efforts?
It seemed to me from your previous post that the problems you were
having came from two things…

The first was to do with understanding how to deal with stacks of
objects (selecting and dragging the top one does not move them all).

I lock all the elements of the rollover after they are in place, as recommended in the tutorial.

The second was to do with how (a) overlapping, unlayered graphics
will be merged into a composite graphic when published, unless you
say otherwise, and (b) rollover code can only refer to whole graphics
at a time. This explains why you were getting a ‘whole page’ rollover
when you wanted just one element to do this.

I see.

There are ways to add code to different things, with methods ranging
from dedicated actions through to adding ‘extended’ parameters to
elements or brute-force HTML markup. But before going down that route
it is wise to make sure you are able to get the most from the main
Freeway feature set. You may find that it is actually possible to do
what you’re after without resorting to hybrid code methods. :slight_smile:

I am eager to get into all these subtleties right after understanding better Freeway, a most elegant piece of software, by the way.

Thank you for your help, I am sure I will contribute some more perplexities to this board in the close future, hoping for an expert answer…anticipated thanks for your patience…

VGP

Best of luck!

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Sometime around 13/1/08 (at 09:36 -0500) VGP said:

I am sure I will contribute some more perplexities to this board in
the close future, hoping for an expert answer…anticipated thanks
for your patience…

All we ask is that you ask for help when you need it! :slight_smile:

(I’d still be interested in seeing an example of what you’re doing,
in case I can offer any tips.)

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Here is a sample, last version of my commercial illustration/renderings showcase, basically Flash wrapped up in Freeway.
Navigation is all links with styles, SlidePro incorporated.

Comments most welcomed.

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Sometime around 13/1/08 (at 10:30 -0500) VGP said:

basically Flash wrapped up in Freeway.
Navigation is all links with styles, SlidePro incorporated.

http://www.visiblestudio.com

As a Flash-based site it works fine. It is, of course, practically
invisible to search engines as a result. This may or may not be a
concern…

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A, the old problem…
It was a big concern, of course.

Therefore:
the index page is all html with a Flash movie incorporated, and practically all the text in Flash movie is exactly replicated in pages’ HTML, if you look at the code. The search engines see that, I believe, and I woudn’t have added more in an all html site anyway.

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By the way, this where I got the idea:

http://www.mcanerin.com/EN/articles/flash-seo-01.asp

the modified “satay”.

I did the whole site like that, and I had re-done it in Freeway now, in a less convoluted manner as described in the previous message.

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THis is really cool. It’s crying out to be added to the Flash Extras
action. It would be pretty simple.

Walter

On Jan 13, 2008, at 2:57 PM, VGP wrote:

By the way, this where I got the idea:

http://www.mcanerin.com/EN/articles/flash-seo-01.asp

the modified “satay”.

I did the whole site like that, and I had re-done it in Freeway
now, in a less convoluted manner as described in the previous message.

VGP


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