# Rotation

**URL:** <https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952>\
**Category:** Intaglio\
**Created:** [August 28, 2012, 1:54am UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952 "2012-08-28T01:54:16Z")\
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**Author:** ![Ray3](https://discourse.softpress.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ray3](https://discourse.softpress.com/u/Ray3)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 1:54am UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/1 "2012-08-28T01:54:16Z")

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Is it possible to rotate, say a square, without it doing the rotating at the center of the square. For example a 2x4 laying on the floor and I want to pick it up form one end. It doesn’t spin in the air at the center of the 2x4. Is it possible to rotate an object without it spinning at it’s center?  
This is so easy to do in Claris Draw and can not believe it can’t be done in this program but I haven’t found out how to do it. HELP

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**Author:** ![Alain\_Schremmer](https://discourse.softpress.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Alain\_Schremmer](https://discourse.softpress.com/u/Alain_Schremmer)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 12:34pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/2 "2012-08-28T12:34:17Z")

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On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Ray wrote:

> Is it possible to rotate, say a square, without it doing the  
> rotating at the center of the square. For example a 2x4 laying on  
> the floor and I want to pick it up form one end. It doesn’t spin in  
> the air at the center of the 2x4. Is it possible to rotate an  
> object without it spinning at it’s center?  
> This is so easy to do in Claris Draw and can not believe it can’t be  
> done in this program but I haven’t found out how to do it. HELP

(1) Get the coordinates of the center of rotation that you want by  
going Window \> Geometry and then hover the cursor over the center of  
rotation you want and get its coordinates on the upper left hand corner.

(2) Go Object \> Rotate … \> Rotate about and use these coordinates.

However, I don’t know of any short cut.

Regards  
–schremmer

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**Author:** ![IanB](https://discourse.softpress.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/ee7513/32.png) [@IanB](https://discourse.softpress.com/u/IanB)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 12:51pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/3 "2012-08-28T12:51:27Z")

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1. Select Command-Shift-R to rotate
2. Press the Option/Alt key. The cursor changes to a crosshair
3. Release the Option/Alt key
4. Move the crosshair cursor to the desired point of rotation (this is easier if a grid is set).
5. Drag the mouse. The object rotates around the desired point of rotation.  
Holding down the Shift key rotates the object in 45° increments.

Thanks to Frank for providing this tip earlier this year.

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**Author:** ![Frank](https://discourse.softpress.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://discourse.softpress.com/u/Frank)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 1:00pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/4 "2012-08-28T13:00:14Z")

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in addition: alt+cmd will let the “crosshair” snap to grid.

Cheers

Frank

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**Author:** ![Alain\_Schremmer](https://discourse.softpress.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Alain\_Schremmer](https://discourse.softpress.com/u/Alain_Schremmer)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 1:08pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/5 "2012-08-28T13:08:59Z")

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On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:51 AM, IanB wrote:

> 1. Select Command-Shift-R to rotate
> 2. Press the Option/Alt key. The cursor changes to a crosshair
> 3. Release the Option/Alt key
> 4. Move the crosshair cursor to the desired point of rotation (this  
> is easier if a grid is set).
> 5. Drag the mouse. The object rotates around the desired point of  
> rotation.  
> Holding down the Shift key rotates the object in 45° increments.
> 
> Thanks to Frank for providing this tip earlier this year.

This is indeed very nice for “Free Rotate” but how about the dialog  
box "Rotate … ", say 28 degrees?

Regards  
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**Author:** ![Frank](https://discourse.softpress.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://discourse.softpress.com/u/Frank)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 1:48pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/6 "2012-08-28T13:48:04Z")

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A bit cumbersome - but possible at least:

[http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4949/pivotrotation.png](http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4949/pivotrotation.png)

Cheers

Frank

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**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 1:52pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/7 "2012-08-28T13:52:26Z")

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Corrected image:  
[http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4949/pivotrotation.png](http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4949/pivotrotation.png)

Why can´t we edit our postings???

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**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 1:57pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/8 "2012-08-28T13:57:22Z")

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Thanks, for all of the answers.

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**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 2:17pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/9 "2012-08-28T14:17:05Z")

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I tried it and although it isn’t as smooth as Claris Draw it at least works. Thanks a bunch ! !

Ray

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**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/10 "2012-08-28T15:40:51Z")

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On Aug 28, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Frank wrote:

> Corrected image:  
> [http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4949/pivotrotation.png](http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4949/pivotrotation.png)

That’s what I said I did not have any short cut for.

Regards  
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**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/11 "2012-08-28T16:12:17Z")

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Would be nice if the Rotation tool has an option that recognizes the manual set pivot point. 😉

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**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/12 "2012-08-28T16:32:50Z")

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On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Frank wrote:

> Would be nice if the Rotation tool has an option that recognizes the  
> manual set pivot point. 😉

Sure would. Something like Option-Click on the desired rotation  
center. Or moving the cross-hair from the center to the desired  
position.

Let us hope the Creator is listening!

Regards  
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**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 7:19pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/13 "2012-08-28T19:19:15Z")

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Frank and Schremmer you are right. We shouldn’t have to go through all of what you guys came up with just to rotate something. This feature alone has caused me to not get rid of System 9/Claris Draw on another computer as using Intaglio can be very trying when it comes to rotating objects.  
I have one more question for you guys but I’ll start another thread for that one.

Again, thanks bunches as I can now rotate.

Ray

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**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/14 "2012-08-28T19:49:50Z")

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IanB,  
I also want to thank you. Didn’t mean to overlook you.

Thanks, Ray

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**Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/rotation/14952/15 "2012-08-28T23:38:13Z")

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No problems, Ray. Welcome to our small club! Please let us know if you find any secret tricks.

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