subfolders and google

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Good Morning,

I remember reading somewhere in the forum that google does not search “subfolders” of a site…

I understood this was like: yourdomain.com is available for purchase - Sedo.com

is this true? if not is there a way to block it?

I was working on a site - which is complete but when my client googled his company name - the subfolder pages showed up… but he got a 404 since I deleted the folder once the site went live.

how do I fix this ? or how long before the sub folders do not show up?

Thank you!

Julie

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Not true at all. Google does a complete crawl of any site, as long as
the content is linked. If you have a “dark” folder (nothing links into
it) then Google can’t find it under most circumstances and won’t crawl
it. But once something is in the index (it got found once) it will be
a while before it stales out and doesn’t come back in results.

If you have a test folder where you want Google to stay out, make a
plain text file named robots.txt and place it inside that folder on
the server. Inside that text file, put the following two lines:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /

Google (and other self-respecting bots) will stay out. Unscrupulous
bots will still crawl the folder looking for e-mail addresses or other
goodies to fill their spam-trough.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Good Morning,

I remember reading somewhere in the forum that google does not
search “subfolders” of a site…

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Also, if you want to link into such a “dark” folder from a public
page, and you want to keep Google et al. from following that link
while crawling, you can add a rel attribute to the link, set to the
value ‘nofollow’ (without the quotes). Select your link, open the
Hyperlink dialog, click on Extended, New, then enter Name: rel and
Value: nofollow and okay out of the stack of dialogs.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Not true at all. Google does a complete crawl of any site, as long
as the content is linked. If you have a “dark” folder (nothing links
into it) then Google can’t find it under most circumstances and
won’t crawl it. But once something is in the index (it got found
once) it will be a while before it stales out and doesn’t come back
in results.

If you have a test folder where you want Google to stay out, make a
plain text file named robots.txt and place it inside that folder on
the server. Inside that text file, put the following two lines:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /

Google (and other self-respecting bots) will stay out. Unscrupulous
bots will still crawl the folder looking for e-mail addresses or
other goodies to fill their spam-trough.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Good Morning,

I remember reading somewhere in the forum that google does not
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Thank you very much. all of your suggestions will be done from now on end for client sites while working on them.
is there any other way then having that subfolder to keep showing your client the progress?

Julie
On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Also, if you want to link into such a “dark” folder from a public page, and you want to keep Google et al. from following that link while crawling, you can add a rel attribute to the link, set to the value ‘nofollow’ (without the quotes). Select your link, open the Hyperlink dialog, click on Extended, New, then enter Name: rel and Value: nofollow and okay out of the stack of dialogs.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Not true at all. Google does a complete crawl of any site, as long as the content is linked. If you have a “dark” folder (nothing links into it) then Google can’t find it under most circumstances and won’t crawl it. But once something is in the index (it got found once) it will be a while before it stales out and doesn’t come back in results.

If you have a test folder where you want Google to stay out, make a plain text file named robots.txt and place it inside that folder on the server. Inside that text file, put the following two lines:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /

Google (and other self-respecting bots) will stay out. Unscrupulous bots will still crawl the folder looking for e-mail addresses or other goodies to fill their spam-trough.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

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A simpler solution would be to password-protect the folder, using your
hosting provider’s control panel. Then Google has absolutely no way in
or out. Your client will feel more special and secure, too.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Thank you very much. all of your suggestions will be done from now
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is there any other way then having that subfolder to keep showing
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ok thank you! I will do that.

so set up the folder /whatever
then select it - and choose password protect in the cpanel?

Julie
On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

A simpler solution would be to password-protect the folder, using your hosting provider’s control panel. Then Google has absolutely no way in or out. Your client will feel more special and secure, too.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Thank you very much. all of your suggestions will be done from now on end for client sites while working on them.
is there any other way then having that subfolder to keep showing your client the progress?

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Yup.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

ok thank you! I will do that.

so set up the folder /whatever
then select it - and choose password protect in the cpanel?

Julie

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Just a secondary question.

Would doing a: site-wide 301 redirect

help get away from the folder versions popping up in the top of google searches to the real site?

thank you again

Julie
On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

A simpler solution would be to password-protect the folder, using your hosting provider’s control panel. Then Google has absolutely no way in or out. Your client will feel more special and secure, too.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Thank you very much. all of your suggestions will be done from now on end for client sites while working on them.
is there any other way then having that subfolder to keep showing your client the progress?

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This is where i got the 301 redirect idea…

but how do I do it? SHould I re upload the original (/energy) - add it to my google then do the address change?

I am unsure then how to do the 301 - any suggestions would be great.

Change of address
If you’re planning to move your site to a new domain, use the Change of Address tool to tell Google about your new URL. This will help us update our index faster and smooth the transition for your users.
For best results, follow these steps:
Set up the new site
Review our guidelines for moving your site to a new domain. Set up your content on your new domain, then make sure all internal links point to the new domain.
Redirect all traffic from the old site
Use a 301 redirect to permanently redirect the pages on your old site to your new site. This tells users and search engines that your site has permanently moved. Ask webmasters to update their links to point to your new domain and make sure incoming links to your old site are redirected correctly using the 301 redirects.
Thank you.
J
On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Just a secondary question.

Would doing a: site-wide 301 redirect

help get away from the folder versions popping up in the top of google searches to the real site?

thank you again

Julie
On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

A simpler solution would be to password-protect the folder, using your hosting provider’s control panel. Then Google has absolutely no way in or out. Your client will feel more special and secure, too.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Thank you very much. all of your suggestions will be done from now on end for client sites while working on them.
is there any other way then having that subfolder to keep showing your client the progress?

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If the wrong location doesn’t exist any more, let’s say that it’s http://www.example.com/energy
and the real site is at http://www.example.com, then you could
simply put an htaccess file in the site root of example.com with the
following line in it:

Redirect permanent /energy/ http://www.example.com/

That should do the trick, I think. Be sure that the folder no longer
exists at all if you do that.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

This is where i got the 301 redirect idea…

but how do I do it? SHould I re upload the original (/energy) - add
it to my google then do the address change?

I am unsure then how to do the 301 - any suggestions would be great.

Change of address
If you’re planning to move your site to a new domain, use the Change
of Address tool to tell Google about your new URL. This will help us
update our index faster and smooth the transition for your users.
For best results, follow these steps:
Set up the new site
Review our guidelines for moving your site to a new domain. Set up
your content on your new domain, then make sure all internal links
point to the new domain.
Redirect all traffic from the old site
Use a 301 redirect to permanently redirect the pages on your old
site to your new site. This tells users and search engines that your
site has permanently moved. Ask webmasters to update their links to
point to your new domain and make sure incoming links to your old
site are redirected correctly using the 301 redirects.
Thank you.
J
On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Just a secondary question.

Would doing a: site-wide 301 redirect

help get away from the folder versions popping up in the top of
google searches to the real site?

thank you again

Julie
On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

A simpler solution would be to password-protect the folder, using
your hosting provider’s control panel. Then Google has absolutely
no way in or out. Your client will feel more special and secure,
too.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Thank you very much. all of your suggestions will be done from
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I erased the folder already. so /energy is gone

the old address is: http://www.grassrootsweb.net/energy
the new address for the site is: http://www/energychex.com

so you are saying to do the htaccess file in the site root (not the public_html folder) with the one line

redirect perminent /energy/ http://energychex.com

I do really appreciate your help.

Julie
On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

If the wrong location doesn’t exist any more, let’s say that it’s http://www.example.com/energy and the real site is at http://www.example.com, then you could simply put an htaccess file in the site root of example.com with the following line in it:

Redirect permanent /energy/ http://www.example.com/

That should do the trick, I think. Be sure that the folder no longer exists at all if you do that.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

This is where i got the 301 redirect idea…

but how do I do it? SHould I re upload the original (/energy) - add it to my google then do the address change?

I am unsure then how to do the 301 - any suggestions would be great.

Change of address
If you’re planning to move your site to a new domain, use the Change of Address tool to tell Google about your new URL. This will help us update our index faster and smooth the transition for your users.
For best results, follow these steps:
Set up the new site
Review our guidelines for moving your site to a new domain. Set up your content on your new domain, then make sure all internal links point to the new domain.
Redirect all traffic from the old site
Use a 301 redirect to permanently redirect the pages on your old site to your new site. This tells users and search engines that your site has permanently moved. Ask webmasters to update their links to point to your new domain and make sure incoming links to your old site are redirected correctly using the 301 redirects.
Thank you.
J
On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Just a secondary question.

Would doing a: site-wide 301 redirect

help get away from the folder versions popping up in the top of google searches to the real site?

thank you again

Julie
On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

A simpler solution would be to password-protect the folder, using your hosting provider’s control panel. Then Google has absolutely no way in or out. Your client will feel more special and secure, too.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Thank you very much. all of your suggestions will be done from now on end for client sites while working on them.
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I mean in the site root, which would be the public_html folder if
that’s how Apache is configured on your grassrootsweb server. Your
account root folder may be / or /Users/julie, or something completely
else, depending on your account. The site root is specific to the
domain that is hosted from it. and is set by Apache.

And look very carefully at your spelling! Cap R redirect, spell
permanent the way it should be. Computers are very literal beasts,
servers doubly so.

If you haven’t yet, please download TextWrangler for FREE from http://barebones.com
and use it whenever you are editing a server configuration file.
Other applications may appear to edit text, but may also inject
control characters and other cruft which will only confuse matters.
Other safe options are BBEdit, TextMate, Coda, Espresso, etc. –
anything that appears to be a hard-core coding application, in other
words.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

I erased the folder already. so /energy is gone

the old address is: http://www.grassrootsweb.net/energy
the new address for the site is: http://www/energychex.com

so you are saying to do the htaccess file in the site root (not the
public_html folder) with the one line

redirect perminent /energy/ http://energychex.com

I do really appreciate your help.

Julie
On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

If the wrong location doesn’t exist any more, let’s say that it’s http://www.example.com/energy
and the real site is at http://www.example.com, then you could
simply put an htaccess file in the site root of example.com with
the following line in it:

Redirect permanent /energy/ http://www.example.com/

That should do the trick, I think. Be sure that the folder no
longer exists at all if you do that.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

This is where i got the 301 redirect idea…

but how do I do it? SHould I re upload the original (/energy) -
add it to my google then do the address change?

I am unsure then how to do the 301 - any suggestions would be great.

Change of address
If you’re planning to move your site to a new domain, use the
Change of Address tool to tell Google about your new URL. This
will help us update our index faster and smooth the transition for
your users.
For best results, follow these steps:
Set up the new site
Review our guidelines for moving your site to a new domain. Set up
your content on your new domain, then make sure all internal links
point to the new domain.
Redirect all traffic from the old site
Use a 301 redirect to permanently redirect the pages on your old
site to your new site. This tells users and search engines that
your site has permanently moved. Ask webmasters to update their
links to point to your new domain and make sure incoming links to
your old site are redirected correctly using the 301 redirects.
Thank you.
J
On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Just a secondary question.

Would doing a: site-wide 301 redirect

help get away from the folder versions popping up in the top of
google searches to the real site?

thank you again

Julie
On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

A simpler solution would be to password-protect the folder,
using your hosting provider’s control panel. Then Google has
absolutely no way in or out. Your client will feel more special
and secure, too.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Thank you very much. all of your suggestions will be done from
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is there any other way then having that subfolder to keep
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I will download that and use it.
I put that in my (grassrootsweb) public_html?

I am not trying to be sound stupid I want to be sure.

Thank you

J
On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

I mean in the site root, which would be the public_html folder if that’s how Apache is configured on your grassrootsweb server. Your account root folder may be / or /Users/julie, or something completely else, depending on your account. The site root is specific to the domain that is hosted from it. and is set by Apache.

And look very carefully at your spelling! Cap R redirect, spell permanent the way it should be. Computers are very literal beasts, servers doubly so.

If you haven’t yet, please download TextWrangler for FREE from http://barebones.com and use it whenever you are editing a server configuration file. Other applications may appear to edit text, but may also inject control characters and other cruft which will only confuse matters. Other safe options are BBEdit, TextMate, Coda, Espresso, etc. – anything that appears to be a hard-core coding application, in other words.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

I erased the folder already. so /energy is gone

the old address is: http://www.grassrootsweb.net/energy
the new address for the site is: http://www/energychex.com

so you are saying to do the htaccess file in the site root (not the public_html folder) with the one line

redirect perminent /energy/ http://energychex.com

I do really appreciate your help.

Julie
On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

If the wrong location doesn’t exist any more, let’s say that it’s http://www.example.com/energy and the real site is at http://www.example.com, then you could simply put an htaccess file in the site root of example.com with the following line in it:

Redirect permanent /energy/ http://www.example.com/

That should do the trick, I think. Be sure that the folder no longer exists at all if you do that.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

This is where i got the 301 redirect idea…

but how do I do it? SHould I re upload the original (/energy) - add it to my google then do the address change?

I am unsure then how to do the 301 - any suggestions would be great.

Change of address
If you’re planning to move your site to a new domain, use the Change of Address tool to tell Google about your new URL. This will help us update our index faster and smooth the transition for your users.
For best results, follow these steps:
Set up the new site
Review our guidelines for moving your site to a new domain. Set up your content on your new domain, then make sure all internal links point to the new domain.
Redirect all traffic from the old site
Use a 301 redirect to permanently redirect the pages on your old site to your new site. This tells users and search engines that your site has permanently moved. Ask webmasters to update their links to point to your new domain and make sure incoming links to your old site are redirected correctly using the 301 redirects.
Thank you.
J
On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Just a secondary question.

Would doing a: site-wide 301 redirect

help get away from the folder versions popping up in the top of google searches to the real site?

thank you again

Julie
On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

A simpler solution would be to password-protect the folder, using your hosting provider’s control panel. Then Google has absolutely no way in or out. Your client will feel more special and secure, too.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Thank you very much. all of your suggestions will be done from now on end for client sites while working on them.
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Yes.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

I will download that and use it.
I put that in my (grassrootsweb) public_html?

I am not trying to be sound stupid I want to be sure.

Thank you

J

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Thank you.

I did that and named the file htaccess

put that one line in.

and left it in my public_html

I thank you Walter - my hat goes off to you

J

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Yes.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

I will download that and use it.
I put that in my (grassrootsweb) public_html?

I am not trying to be sound stupid I want to be sure.

Thank you

J

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another question - if you google energychex

you will see my sub folders and pages - and you click -it goes to a 404

will this htaccess change that?

J
On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Thank you.

I did that and named the file htaccess

put that one line in.

and left it in my public_html

I thank you Walter - my hat goes off to you

J

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Yes.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

I will download that and use it.
I put that in my (grassrootsweb) public_html?

I am not trying to be sound stupid I want to be sure.

Thank you

J

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If you name the file .htaccess (leading dot) then it will redirect
when you click those links, no 404 possible (unless the pages don’t
exist at the new server either). Google will follow the 301 (permanent
redirect) and re-index automatically next time they crawl your server.
So you have two weeks to two months or so until this is over for good,
and the moment you name that file .htaccess instead of htaccess, the
404s will stop.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

another question - if you google energychex

you will see my sub folders and pages - and you click -it goes to a
404

will this htaccess change that?

J
On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Thank you.

I did that and named the file htaccess

put that one line in.

and left it in my public_html

I thank you Walter - my hat goes off to you

J

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Yes.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

I will download that and use it.
I put that in my (grassrootsweb) public_html?

I am not trying to be sound stupid I want to be sure.

Thank you

J

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PERFECT!!

Thank you

J
On Sep 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

If you name the file .htaccess (leading dot) then it will redirect when you click those links, no 404 possible (unless the pages don’t exist at the new server either). Google will follow the 301 (permanent redirect) and re-index automatically next time they crawl your server. So you have two weeks to two months or so until this is over for good, and the moment you name that file .htaccess instead of htaccess, the 404s will stop.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

another question - if you google energychex

you will see my sub folders and pages - and you click -it goes to a 404

will this htaccess change that?

J
On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Thank you.

I did that and named the file htaccess

put that one line in.

and left it in my public_html

I thank you Walter - my hat goes off to you

J

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Yes.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

I will download that and use it.
I put that in my (grassrootsweb) public_html?

I am not trying to be sound stupid I want to be sure.

Thank you

J

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Last question I promise.

I want to change the header of the pages… partnership to something else…
but when I do click on the googled link for that (old) page - it shows a 404 error.

can I have 2 redirects on the same .htaccess file one for the general /energy http://www.energychex.com
and one for the energy/parnership page (yes I see the spelling error) to the same above?

J
On Sep 16, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

PERFECT!!

Thank you

J
On Sep 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

If you name the file .htaccess (leading dot) then it will redirect when you click those links, no 404 possible (unless the pages don’t exist at the new server either). Google will follow the 301 (permanent redirect) and re-index automatically next time they crawl your server. So you have two weeks to two months or so until this is over for good, and the moment you name that file .htaccess instead of htaccess, the 404s will stop.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

another question - if you google energychex

you will see my sub folders and pages - and you click -it goes to a 404

will this htaccess change that?

J
On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Thank you.

I did that and named the file htaccess

put that one line in.

and left it in my public_html

I thank you Walter - my hat goes off to you

J

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Yes.

Walter

On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

I will download that and use it.
I put that in my (grassrootsweb) public_html?

I am not trying to be sound stupid I want to be sure.

Thank you

J

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Yes, just put the more specific one first, followed by the general rule. First one wins.

Walter

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