Subversion

Comments, opinions or experience regarding the use of Subversion for
team - or possibly standalone - development? Are there better
alternatives available? I may have to use it (or something similar)
for a possible gig and I would appreciate insight from anyone who has
used it for production work. The closest thing to a collaborative
tool that I have is SubEthaEdit that’s built into Coda which is not
the same thing.

Todd


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If you use Subversion as a part of a well thought out development
strategy, it is miraculous, time-saving, butt-saving, etc. If you
don’t have a reason to use it, and a plan to use it consistently,
then it’s a waste of time to set it up.

I use it, like it, it has saved my butt numerous times. And there are
times that I don’t use it. I try to be aware of the break-even point
in terms of the hour or so it takes to set up, and the additional
time it adds to making changes.

Also realize that putting a Freeway file in subversion amounts to
making a zip of it every time you save. That’s all it’s good for. You
can’t put a freeway file in subversion, make some changes, have
someone else make some conflicting changes, and do anything except
choose who wins.

Where it’s really magical is in the hand-coded stuff I do a lot of.
There, you can make some changes to a function, I make can some
incompatible changes to the same function and ten other things, and
we can reconcile the changes at a very granular level at check-in.

I highly recommend Pragmatic Version Control with Subversion, from
The Pragmatic Programmers. http://pragprog.com

Walter

On Feb 13, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Todd wrote:

Comments, opinions or experience regarding the use of Subversion for
team - or possibly standalone - development? Are there better
alternatives available? I may have to use it (or something similar)
for a possible gig and I would appreciate insight from anyone who has
used it for production work. The closest thing to a collaborative
tool that I have is SubEthaEdit that’s built into Coda which is not
the same thing.

Todd


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Thanks Walter, this is good to know. Freeway is not allowed to the party for this gig; it’s DW or straight coding.

Todd

On Feb 13, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Also realize that putting a Freeway file in subversion amounts to

making a zip of it every time you save. That’s all it’s good for. You

can’t put a freeway file in subversion, make some changes, have

someone else make some conflicting changes, and do anything except

choose who wins.

It would be nice if Freeway saved its files in XML, then this sort of
thing might stand a chance of working, actually. But that would be a
little too open for the kind folks in Oxford. It would be a bit like
giving away the keys to the kids in Palo Alto.

Walter

On Feb 13, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Todd wrote:

Thanks Walter, this is good to know. Freeway is not allowed to the
party for this gig; it’s DW or straight coding.

Todd

On Feb 13, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Also realize that putting a Freeway file in subversion amounts to
making a zip of it every time you save. That’s all it’s good for. You
can’t put a freeway file in subversion, make some changes, have
someone else make some conflicting changes, and do anything except
choose who wins.


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Hmmm, sounds like a Feature Request?

I think I’m going to take a run at installing it and I found what appears to be a decent install tutorial <http://www.rubyrobot.org/tutorial/subversion-with-mac-os-x> but I want to use a GUI, not the Terminal. Have you used this interface with svn, <http://www.lachoseinteractive.net/en/community/subversion/svnx/features/> or is there another one you like?

Todd

On Feb 13, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

It would be nice if Freeway saved its files in XML, then this sort of

thing might stand a chance of working, actually.

I’ve only ever used the command line. I have been meaning to look at
some of these gui controllers, they look interesting and might lower
the barrier to entry for some projects.

Walter

On Feb 14, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Todd wrote:

Hmmm, sounds like a Feature Request?

I think I’m going to take a run at installing it and I found what
appears to be a decent install tutorial <http://www.rubyrobot.org/
tutorial/subversion-with-mac-os-x> but I want to use a GUI, not the
Terminal. Have you used this interface with svn, <http://
www.lachoseinteractive.net/en/community/subversion/svnx/features/>
or is there another one you like?

Todd

On Feb 13, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

It would be nice if Freeway saved its files in XML, then this sort of
thing might stand a chance of working, actually.


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TextMate has a Subversion bundle.

Todd

On Feb 14, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

I have been meaning to look at

some of these gui controllers, they look interesting and might lower

the barrier to entry for some projects.

I know, but I’ve never really gotten into that. I use bundle items
all the time in PHP and JavaScript and HTML, but I haven’t looked at
how to get the svn stuff working. I should. Thanks for reminding me.

Walter

On Feb 14, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Todd wrote:

TextMate has a Subversion bundle.

Todd

On Feb 14, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

I have been meaning to look at
some of these gui controllers, they look interesting and might lower
the barrier to entry for some projects.


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Walter,

I don’t know if you use Coda but I just got word from Panic (I asked
about a Coda SVN GUI) that it’s in the works so it will undoubtedly
be a very nice UI given their track record so far. Thought you might
be interested.

Todd

On Feb 14, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

I know, but I’ve never really gotten into that. I use bundle items
all the time in PHP and JavaScript and HTML, but I haven’t looked at
how to get the svn stuff working. I should. Thanks for reminding me.

Walter

On Feb 14, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Todd wrote:

TextMate has a Subversion bundle.

Todd

On Feb 14, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

I have been meaning to look at
some of these gui controllers, they look interesting and might lower
the barrier to entry for some projects.


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