Too buggy or a bad fit-maybe us, our initiative/MO-read on. Long, plea email.

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I purchased FW(P) and a slue of Apple’s and others hardware/software products to initiate, create, fertilize and establish a website building and maintaining ‘webmaster’ business for my daughter’s “since-little-people,” 3rd year college, physics majoring classmate.
My mission was to match tools with, provide him the means, vision, direct and guide him to self-educate and train hisself into a full service, website builder and maintainer-learning through building, using my blueprint, a website for my business: JTAYLOR’S GALLERY
ANTIQITIES, RARE MAPS, NOTABLE BOOKS
Our work began with a hunt for a web building system he and I felt provided click and accomplish fulfillment, avoiding ‘code.’ We identified systems, split the research and compared notes. I assumed my ‘table salt’ analysis was the same as his ‘table salt’ methods.
We could not have been more incongruent, and that process that drove us to choose Freeway(Pro) is infectious at every turn-even now after we switched from FWP to AdobeCS/Dreamweaver.
The fellow’s responses to Freeway became so befuddling; I felt we should transition away from FWP; move on to a familiar system/software culture. His misunderstandings of Freeway’s opportunities and usefulness read like the Freeway chatter and much worse.
My vulnerability to my connection to the fellow and his loyalty to me and his earnest effort fogs the mismatch of his ability, personal limitations, work habit, direction.
I had the illusion “Freeway’s awkwardness” made it impossible to meet our completion goal. Finally throwing in the hat, I purchased AdobeCS. Unfortunately, I am getting the same result-confused goals, directions, the laborious attempt at anything like background, pop-up menus and text placement are sadly yield only scattered usefulness.
Paid minimally in the process, his task was to build-not design-that’s my expertise-a QRL/HTML sanitized, fluidly interfacing, bug free, ecommerce web site that is functional and accommodating across current computer, tablet, mobile, ‘cloud’ happy, wifi subscription networks and platforms. After launching fulling functional, he would place my selections, enter info, process commerce through fulfillment for a percentage. He would operate eBay and etsy outlets at 80% commission (restricted product selection).
I would continue to develop his web business, match his with potential clients at no fee.
We’re no further than ‘jtaylorsgalleries.com’; that work has been static since April-even with the design flaws he initiated and I have asked be changed.
I am desperate for a web builder who can create The jtaylorsgalleries.com: QRL/HTML CLEAN, socially optimized, business linked, blog power diverse, and ecommerce nimble, multi linked and transacting on
those linked sites.
The site may be manageable by me in that I can easily CHANGE DESIGN ELEMENTS like color, texture, background, text, picture, video and musical content-NOT FUNCTIONS, LAYERS, PLACEMENT, POSITION, LINKS.
The need is IMMEADIATE!! The site is now necessarily critical to JTAYLOR’S GALLERY’s survival.

Best regards. Have a little fun today!
JohnT

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All I can say is that if your direction/guidance was/is as confusing as this post then there is no wonder that you have not progressed.

Dreamweaver has a far steeper learning curve than FW and there are many who have worked with it for years and not achieved what they can with FW after a few months.

Please can you try and explain with greater clarity what you are trying to do - preferably in a post that has at least some semblance of structure.

The single paragraph you have presented us with is unfathomable.

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John Taylor asked to be removed from this site/list/forum some time ago… I can now see why!

Unfortunately I struggled to understand what you were trying to say but I am assuming you tried Freeway pro, didn’t have any success and then bought Dreamweaver and unfortunately had the same result.

The biggest difference between the two programs is Freeway is a compiler where as Dreamweaver is an editor. In other words the software presents you with an interface that allows you to place items on the screen. When you publish the software works out the best method to accomplish the design using standard HTML and CSS.

Dreamweaver is an HTML editor with a wysiwyg interface… and this edits the actual html whilst you are building. The biggest draw back with editors is if you don’t know what you are doing, the end result can be a total mess.

I hope this helps
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The single paragraph you have presented us with is unfathomable.

Piffle was the first word that came to mind.

Can you perhaps post a few links to some other web sites that is currently doing what you would like to ultimately achieve with yours.

Cheers
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On 09/07/2012, at 10:46 AM, DeltaDave wrote:

All I can say is that if your direction/guidance was/is as confusing as this post then there is no wonder that you have not progressed.
Please can you try and explain with greater clarity what you are trying to do - preferably in a post that has at least some semblance of structure.
The single paragraph you have presented us with is unfathomable.

phew, I thought it was just me…

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eh?

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Furthermore he bombed nearly all lists with the following:

http://www.freewaytalk.net/thread/view/109132#m_109132

All I can say is WOW.

Is it really possible to write/speak “english” so an entire “english speaking world” does not understand any word of it?

I gave my best to do, but finally didn’t wonder to fail - my english is lousy (but believe me my german is better :-).

Well in short words what I understood:

"… I need killer-designers (such as apple has plenty of them) who structure and predesign my page.

They then should transfer this into the web-world, that way that it is multi-purpose (even for others to use) and automagically e-commerced.

Each killer designer has 3 attempts to present me his best ideas in three different categories:

  • jtay……com site as it is,
  • jtay……com site as it should,
  • jtay……com site as it could.

You should do it “with much blood, sweat and tears” and not really commercial oriented.

That’s the german interpretation of this stuff and I long thought about to give it a go. But unfortunately I’m not a killer designer.

Cheers

Thomas

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It’s a windup surely…??

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My mind exploded after reading just the first sentence…

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What an amazing stream of surreal consciousness to untangle first thing on a monday morning.

All I think is being asked for is an ecommerce template. That and for someone to do it.

But I might be wrong and just need more coffee.

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Wow! I didn’t realise spambots had become sentient.

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I think the story is, he had a friend of his daughter for whom they purchased hardware and software to start a webmaster business. This included FWP. John Taylor would do the design, the friend would do the building of the sites.

However, the friend didn’t get on with FWP, he was confused at every turn. So, John Taylor thought they needed to go in another direction and he bought Adobe CS instead. The friend was just as confused by that.

Since April, nothing has happened. The friend “finished” jtaylorsgalleries.com but the changes John has wanted have not been implemented.

I think now he’s looking for someone that can help him finish his site, at least to the point where he can make the more minor changes himself (I’m hoping he means in Freeway. It appears the current site was built with Freeway, according to the meta tags).

Any takers? I think Mr. Taylor would be an interesting person to have a coffee or beer with. :slight_smile:

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P.S. I don’t understand how this thread goes with the thread where he asked to be removed from the forum, though. That one seems to have been posted before this one. I guess if you’re interested in helping Mr. Taylor out, either contact him directly or wait to see if he returns here.

http://freewaytalk.net/thread/view/113412

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Hey Joe – I did ask him to explain why he was leaving, hence I believe his
response.

And I think you have correctly sussed the meaning of his post(s). He is a
potential client who is deeply in trouble – and while we all seem to
recognize that, I’m a little taken back by some of the responses to him. I
would like to encourage everyone to a higher standard of professionalism –
perhaps a re-reading of Mike Monteiro’s *Design Is A Job *or a viewing of
one of his many YouTube lectures would help inspire us from mere derision
to constructive professionalism. That includes me too, as always.

What Clients Don’t Know, and Why It’s Your
Faulthttp://typotalks.com/sanfrancisco/2012/speakers/single-speaker/?tid=747&et=TYPO%20San%20Francisco%202012

Let’s Make Mistakes http://5by5.tv/mistakes
Design Is A Jobhttp://www.zeldman.com/2012/04/10/mike-monteiros-design-is-a-job-is-finally-available-to-buy-or-preview/

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Ernie Simpson

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Joe Muscara email@hidden wrote:

P.S. I don’t understand how this thread goes with the thread where he
asked to be removed from the forum, though. That one seems to have been
posted before this one. I guess if you’re interested in helping Mr.
Taylor out, either contact him directly or wait to see if he returns here.

http://freewaytalk.net/thread/view/113412

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Good to see some sense and understanding prevail.

Yes, the email was not worded correctly and there were numerous spelling errors, but I could sense the person’s frustration that he still does not have what he needs.
My guess is that after spending money on buying two software programs, a problem with the person he had intentions of working with not going to plan, he simply wrote what he had experienced. I have seen this sort of thing experienced by other people and I have been asked to help and have done so and achieved good outcomes.

On 09/07/2012, at 10:27 PM, Ernie Simpson wrote:

Hey Joe – I did ask him to explain why he was leaving, hence I believe his
response.

And I think you have correctly sussed the meaning of his post(s). He is a
potential client who is deeply in trouble – and while we all seem to
recognize that, I’m a little taken back by some of the responses to him. I
would like to encourage everyone to a higher standard of professionalism –
perhaps a re-reading of Mike Monteiro’s *Design Is A Job *or a viewing of
one of his many YouTube lectures would help inspire us from mere derision
to constructive professionalism. That includes me too, as always.

What Clients Don’t Know, and Why It’s Your
Faulthttp://typotalks.com/sanfrancisco/2012/speakers/single-speaker/?tid=747&et=TYPO%20San%20Francisco%202012

Let’s Make Mistakes http://5by5.tv/mistakes
Design Is A Jobhttp://www.zeldman.com/2012/04/10/mike-monteiros-design-is-a-job-is-finally-available-to-buy-or-preview/

–
Ernie Simpson

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Joe Muscara email@hidden wrote:

P.S. I don’t understand how this thread goes with the thread where he
asked to be removed from the forum, though. That one seems to have been
posted before this one. I guess if you’re interested in helping Mr.
Taylor out, either contact him directly or wait to see if he returns here.

http://freewaytalk.net/thread/view/113412

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I think you have all been fooled and John is providing you “with a little fun today.”

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Not knowing Mike Monteiro personally but I’m a fan. If the OP would have worked through Mike’s client screening work sheet I do not think Mike would have taken the job. Design is a job (the best job in the world btw) but we do not have to take every one that comes through the door.

I bet my bottom dollar there was never a site map, wire frame, look and feel mock ups or any copy written.

My 2 cents
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Thanks for yr summarization.

Exactly. I have designed, taught design, supervised design of all sorts-photography shoots, hotels, restaurants, interiors, exteriors, landscapes, art directed, print, etc. I’m particular about theory and my successes (and missteps) support my directions.

jtaylorsgalleries.com is an extension, a moniker, branding support/virtual store for my b&m shop, a virtual landing pad for my artifacts/collections when the b&m lease ends (hopefully, sooner than 5/14!).
I ask that someone create a ‘greeked’ build out based on my site map (literally).
I ahem at this as much as anyone : the request comes bundled with a leap of faith. I’m financially very thin and have some minor debt-$50 k. So there, the elephant.

I give what people ask-less for less, etc. In rare cases, do I breach this principle.

That said, anyone interested in expediting a web presence for JTAYLOR’S on a fees paid with interest in…?..quasi line of credit?

Thank you for any considerations, expressed concerns, guidance, etc. I’m loath to be in this position; it’s a new lifetime experience.

Best regards. Have a little fun today!
JohnT

On Jul 9, 2012, at 6:38 AM, Joe Muscara email@hidden wrote:

I think the story is, he had a friend of his daughter for whom they purchased hardware and software to start a webmaster business. This included FWP. John Taylor would do the design, the friend would do the building of the sites.

However, the friend didn’t get on with FWP, he was confused at every turn. So, John Taylor thought they needed to go in another direction and he bought Adobe CS instead. The friend was just as confused by that.

Since April, nothing has happened. The friend “finished” jtaylorsgalleries.com but the changes John has wanted have not been implemented.

I think now he’s looking for someone that can help him finish his site, at least to the point where he can make the more minor changes himself (I’m hoping he means in Freeway. It appears the current site was built with Freeway, according to the meta tags).

Any takers? I think Mr. Taylor would be an interesting person to have a coffee or beer with. :slight_smile:

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Mark,
I apologize for using this format to appeal to ‘our’ licensee/user community; the operative phrase is befuddled by my mistaken impression Freeway Pro/5.5 (.6?) is organized freesource/wordpress-joomla type friendly, c-grade user friendly.

In any case, I might respond to me and my request like you have. However, I’d would have taken a moment and parked my thoughts, calling John with his “little fun today!”
Ad a Freeway licensee, reading the multitude and variety of request/pleas/discussions from FW folks I feel using this format to appeal to ‘our’ user community is appropriate.

And dammit, yes, my wish for all of us to have a little fun today is sincere-especially in these days of social, political and financial Global deflation. Try to have fun these days is not so simple-especially for our kids.

Someday soon the lights will go out in our neighborhoods and it will be an immense chore to flip the switch. And fun my be reduced to something as simple as a civil family meal.

I’m in Madison, Wisconsin., profoundly opinionated and vocal/active/philanthropic with all
my recourses-especially education.

Got time? My cell number is 608-692-0125.

I want to get up in running now. Most of the struggle-buildout and artistic design and site fillers are on the table.

Any Madison FW users?

Best regards. Have a little fun today!
JohnT

On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Mark email@hidden wrote:

I think you have all been fooled and John is providing you “with a little fun today.”

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What’s a ‘spambot’?

My original request to get off the thread was my response to the dearth of repetitious communiqués amongst you folk. It’s overwhelming, and largely unusable to the novice.

I joined the clutch seeking helpful solutions to pass on to Justin, my daughter’s friend/student/classmate (whom at 22 is too “proudly insecure” to go the ‘help’ route. Typical. I’ve had my fill of that, allowing my optimism is knowingly foolish wishful thinking.

Where we that annoying/stupid?

So, therein lies the rub-does FW sell itself too long?

As for this ‘forum’: Is there really a community of experienced users able, wanting, ready and waiting to respond to FW clients-at any level? Or do personality dynamics confuse experienced users into a polyglot of ‘we don’t have time for this…’? (which is transparent because you folks are certainly spending a bunch of resources and time going round and round about my request(s)).
I appologize for my gelatinous, erroneous crap. Never been a great speller/writer. Emailing on an iphone is bad form: mispellings, grammer, etc.; I thank the auto ‘correct’ for most of that.

I’m signing off. Got help? Again, in Madison, WI. Looking for an expeditious solution. Still have faith in FWP. Anyone local? Come to the shop or call: 608-692-0125.

Thank you, and…

Best regards. Have a little fun today!
JohnT

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Wow! I didn’t realise spambots had become sentient.

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