Using FTP such as Fetch - Help please

I want to use Fetch to upload my Freeway site and not use the Upload option in Freeway. How do I do this? I have tried to upload a test page using the steps given in the tutorial but nothing is working for me. I would like to try it using Fetch to see what I am doing wrong. Help please…


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Basically all you have to do is to copy the contents of the site directory to your server, regardless which ftp client you are using.

What kinds of problems do you experience, are there files missing ?

If uploading files works, but you cannot view your website online (e.g. get a directory listing or a “404 - file not found” error), then ensure that the main page of your website is named correctly. On most servers index.htm or index.html must be used.


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If you can’t get Freeway to work, I can guarantee you Fetch isn’t going
to be any easier, especially if you have to ask how to do it.

Can you be more specific? What isn’t happening in Freeway?

Matt

on 04/05/08 11:41 AM Karen said:

I want to use Fetch to upload my Freeway site and not use the Upload option in Freeway. How do I do this? I have tried to upload a test page using the steps given in the tutorial but nothing is working for me. I would like to try it using Fetch to see what I am doing wrong. Help please…


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Thank you for your help… I recreated my whole website but wanted to make sure there wouldn’t be any problems so I also made a test site - both were created the same way. Now since I already have my website up using Front Page for Mac I don’t want to override it till I know the Freeway site is working correctly. Hence, the test site

Followed all the directions for uploading, went to my site on my browser, and plugged in the test page url… nothing there… since I have an online store, I need for all my products to be there… nothing was… no errors either… nothing said it was not uploaded… in fact I saw a progress bar uploading it… I opened Fetch to see what I needed to delete and it was not there.

Then I uploaded via Fetch the whole folder that I put the test site into… that did upload and I saw my test pages with links to the Mals shopping cart. I hit the add to cart button, got the message to Reload and then it said Error - link verification … needless to say, with working several months and recreating my website with over 500 products, I am at a loss why its not working… I deleted the Test folder via Fetch and am back to staring at the screen trying to figure out where to go from here. Suggestions?


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if your test site is in a different folder to the root folder I think you will have to login to your Mals account and tell the account where the site is otherwise the link verification will probably not work as the Mal server will expect to find it in the root folder and not test/account.html

can you put up the url for your current site and also the name for the folder of the test ?

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Having third party applications or software that relies upon files being in a given directory, it is hard to do test uploads to different locations…

I would recommend to create a backup of your current site, then remove all files (the old website) from your server and upload the new one. Then give it a try and check whether or not anything is working as expected.

And in the case you experience problems, you simply need to upload the backup copy to be back in business in minutes. Sure, you may have some downtimes, but in my mind this is finally the fastest way, nevertheless.


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You don’t have to overwrite anything.

Create a new Freeway document with one page, named unlike anything on
your site, and use that as your test upload until we figure out what
needs to happen.

In Freeway Document Setup/Upload, make sure your four pieces of
information are correct. I have a suspicion the destination directory is
the culprit, but being unfamiliar with .mac myself, I don’t know where
what goes.

Matt

on 04/05/08 12:26 PM Karen said:

Thank you for your help… I recreated my whole website but wanted to make sure there wouldn’t be any problems so I also made a test site - both were created the same way. Now since I already have my website up using Front Page for Mac I don’t want to override it till I know the Freeway site is working correctly. Hence, the test site

Followed all the directions for uploading, went to my site on my browser, and plugged in the test page url… nothing there… since I have an online store, I need for all my products to be there… nothing was… no errors either… nothing said it was not uploaded… in fact I saw a progress bar uploading it… I opened Fetch to see what I needed to delete and it was not there.

Then I uploaded via Fetch the whole folder that I put the test site into… that did upload and I saw my test pages with links to the Mals shopping cart. I hit the add to cart button, got the message to Reload and then it said Error - link verification … needless to say, with working several months and recreating my website with over 500 products, I am at a loss why its not working… I deleted the Test folder via Fetch and am back to staring at the screen trying to figure out where to go from here. Suggestions?


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Try something simpler first, just to get the thing working at all.

Make a new Freeway document, with one page in it (with the filename
index.html and the title Hello World). Put a big blotch of red in the
middle of the page and try uploading it to your test server.

Your hosting provider will have given you the following:

login

password

domain or machine name

If you use Fetch or another FTP application to log in to that domain
or machine name with those credentials (and your login is successful
– meaning that the username and password are correctly entered, case
sensitive characters and all) then you should be dropped into a
default “home” folder for your account.

Most likely, that will be at least one directory “above” your Web
root folder.

That Web root folder, where you put your files to be served, will be
named some flavor of “htdocs”, “httpdocs”, “web/public”, something
like that, specific to your hosting provider. If you can’t spot it by
name or intuition, ask your hosting provider or search their help
system.

Anything that is to be publicly available must be put in that Web
root folder or another subfolder within it, or it won’t be served by
the Web server.

Once you have figured out the path to your root folder, then you can
move your files into the proper place. Test in a browser, and see if
your big red splotch is there.

Once you have it working in Fetch or Transmit or Cyberduck or
whatever app you want to use, transferring those settings to Freeway
will be completely logical. In the Upload dialog, Server will be the
name of the server, like ftp.yourhost.com or www.yourhost.com,
depending on the setup there. Directory will be the path to your
actual Web root, like ‘htdocs’ or ‘domains/yourdomain/web/public’.
User name and password are the exact username and password that your
host gave you (copy and paste recommended). If Passive does not work,
un-check it, and vice-versa.

Walter

On Apr 5, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Karen wrote:

Thank you for your help… I recreated my whole website but
wanted to make sure there wouldn’t be any problems so I also made a
test site - both were created the same way. Now since I already
have my website up using Front Page for Mac I don’t want to
override it till I know the Freeway site is working correctly.
Hence, the test site

Followed all the directions for uploading, went to my site on my
browser, and plugged in the test page url… nothing there…
since I have an online store, I need for all my products to be
there… nothing was… no errors either… nothing said it
was not uploaded… in fact I saw a progress bar uploading it…
I opened Fetch to see what I needed to delete and it was not there.

Then I uploaded via Fetch the whole folder that I put the test site
into… that did upload and I saw my test pages with links to
the Mals shopping cart. I hit the add to cart button, got the
message to Reload and then it said Error - link verification …
needless to say, with working several months and recreating my
website with over 500 products, I am at a loss why its not
working… I deleted the Test folder via Fetch and am back to
staring at the screen trying to figure out where to go from here.
Suggestions?


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Okay, my actual website right now is www.clayalley.com and I will be working with your suggestions and trying a new test page. With my website host of ipower.com My directly is /public_something. (forget right this moment. but I will look it up. Just need to take your suggestions now and play. Karen


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Karen, using Freeway to upload is by far the easiest. I had a bit of a problem similar when I renamed the index page to the name of my site, it didn’t work so I went back to naming it “index” in Freeway, even though it does load into the page properly with my website name. I don’t understand it, but it did work, so check and see if the name of the index file at your server is different that the index file in the FW program.
Vicki

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On Apr 5, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Karen wrote:

Okay, my actual website right now is www.clayalley.com and I will be working with your suggestions and trying a new test page. With my website host of ipower.com My directly is /public_something. (forget right this moment. but I will look it up. Just need to take your suggestions now and play. Karen


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Sometime around 5/4/08 (at 16:46 -0700) Vicki Allwardt said:

Karen, using Freeway to upload is by far the easiest.

Absolutely! This gives you pretty good file management with no
guesswork about which files need to be uploaded and which don’t.

when I renamed the index page to the name of my site, it didn’t work
so I went back to naming it “index” in Freeway, even though it does
load into the page properly with my website name.

It is important to note the difference between the page title and the
file name. The page title is defined within the web page code and
appears along the top ofthe web browser window. The file name is
literally the name of the .html file.

It is the file name that is important when it comes to making links.
A link is literally an address to a particular thing. If you change
the file name then a link that points to that won’t be correct any
more.

Freeway manages a lot of this hassle for you, transparently. If you
give a page a title, the file name will be set to the same thing -
but without spaces and with .html on the end. This makes it more
logical when you’re poking through your site, and it can also help (a
bit) with search engine optimising.

If you change the page’s title, the file name will normally change
with it. And all links that are made within the same Freeway document
will also be changed, automatically.

Once you change a file name manually in Freeway’s Inspector palette,
this breaks the link between the page title and the file name: after
this point you can change the page’s title all you like, and the file
name will remain the same.

There is a bit of magic to do with the ‘index’ page. Okay, not really
magic - but if someone goes to a web site with their browser but
doesn’t ask for a particular file, what page should be given to them?
The normal behaviour is for the file called “index.html” to be
returned by default. Some servers use home.html or default.html, but
index.html is by far the most common.

Your home page can have the most fantastical page title that you like

  • just make sure that the file name is index.html. And do this in
    Freeway, DON’T try renaming the files that Freeway has published! All
    that will happen is that your links may not work and Freeway will
    simply recreate the original-named files again when you next publish.

Any help? :slight_smile:

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On 5 Apr. 2008, 3:41 pm, Karen wrote:

I want to use Fetch to upload my Freeway site and not use the Upload option in Freeway. How do I do this? Help please…

Does not really sound like this is the easiest way for you, now is it. Why bother?


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On 6 Apr 2008, at 00:46, Vicki Allwardt wrote:

Karen, using Freeway to upload is by far the easiest. I had a bit
of a problem similar when I renamed the index page to the name of
my site, it didn’t work so I went back to naming it “index” in
Freeway, even though it does load into the page properly with my
website name. I don’t understand it, but it did work

Whenever someone clicks a link to your site, their browser connects
to your server and requests a page called index.html. This happens
the world over, with all sites; the page that’s requested first is
always called that. That’s the first page that appears, and all the
others are linked to it. Howerver, filename and browser name are two
different things; as long as its filename is index.html, its browser
title (the name that appears at the top of the browser window when
you visit it) can be anything you like. Have a look at the Inspector
and you’ll see where you can enter both the filename AND the name you
want to appear at the top of the browser.

best wishes

Paul Bradforth

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Thank you everyone for all the advice, suggestions, etc. I am still not able to get it to upload to my site. I see it uploading, watch the progress but its just not there when I type in the url in the browser. This is a test page and not the whole site as if I cannot get a test page to work, I doubt that the whole site that I spent months doing will work either. I am frustrated. Nobody lives near Gettysburg PA do they? LOL


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Karen:

FWIW, I do see a test page when I go to http://www.clayalley.com.

Untitled, black text graphic “Test Page” under which is “Paint Shop” in
larger pink letters, and a little further down is a table with images in
two of the cells.

Is that what we’re supposed to see, is that what you’re seeing?

Matt

on 04/06/08 7:18 AM Karen said:

Thank you everyone for all the advice, suggestions, etc. I am still not able to get it to upload to my site. I see it uploading, watch the progress but its just not there when I type in the url in the browser. This is a test page and not the whole site as if I cannot get a test page to work, I doubt that the whole site that I spent months doing will work either. I am frustrated. Nobody lives near Gettysburg PA do they? LOL


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On 6 Apr 2008, at 12:18, Karen wrote:

This is a test page and not the whole site as if I cannot get a
test page to work, I doubt that the whole site that I spent months
doing will work either. I am frustrated.

I feel your pain.

Some hosting companies bury the “default” WWW folder out of sight.
The only way to really be sure you’re uploading to the correct place
is to use the proper pathname given by the company.

Now, I’ve come across this a couple of times in the past. The hosting
company in one case forgot to tell me to add the directory path (/
public_html/) to my upload, so the files were going to the root
directory on the server and were not seen when I visited the site in
a browser. I had to rummage about using Transmit to find out where I
was supposed to upload, and to clear the erroneous files out!

The only cure, as you’ve guessed already, is to use an FTP app to
find out what’s where, and delete the stuff that’s ended up in the
wrong place. It’s not something you can do with Freeway.

So, in Fetch, you’ll need to enter your upload details and connect to
the server. Once there, you’ll need to open folders to see what’s in
them. Be a bit careful if you decide to delete stuff, because some of
it is put there by the host company and is needed.

Most likely, there will be a folder called “www” or “public_html”.
This is where you should upload - and your existing site will be in
there, too. Once you’ve found the missing files you’ve uploaded, you
can delete them (compare the list to those on your hard drive where
you published while testing locally).

For testing purposes, I usually create a new folder on the server,
nested in amongst the rest of the site files. Call it “Testing” or
something - not forgetting most servers are case sensitive. I then
target test uploads to that folder using Freeway. So, if your upload
path includes “public_html”, it would look like:

/public_html/Testing/

To see the test stuff, you need to add the folder name to the URL in
a browser, so in this case it would be something like:

www.something.co.uk/Testing/

Which would then open the default index.html page in that folder.

I hope that makes some sense. Sadly, I’m on the other side of the
Atlantic to you, otherwise I’d be happy to pay you a visit.

=oD

Heather


“Freeway - Web Design for All”


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On 6 Apr 2008, at 12:18, Karen wrote:

Thank you everyone for all the advice, suggestions, etc. I am
still not able to get it to upload to my site. I see it uploading,
watch the progress but its just not there when I type in the url in
the browser.

It sounds as though you may have entered the path to the server
incorrectly; the site has uploaded, just to the wrong place. Check
the server path?

best wishes

Paul Bradforth

http://www.paulbradforth.com


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Sometime around 6/4/08 (at 12:38 +0100) Heather Kavanagh said:

For testing purposes, I usually create a new folder on the server,
nested in amongst the rest of the site files. Call it “Testing” or
something - not forgetting most servers are case sensitive. I then
target test uploads to that folder using Freeway. So, if your upload
path includes “public_html”, it would look like:

/public_html/Testing/

In cases where the Freeway document is the main site, it can be
even simpler to have it uploading to the right place but to put a
folder in the Site panel and hide your pages in there. No need to go
make your own ‘testing’ folder with an FTP client and change the
upload path, just do everything within Freeway.

But of course both ways are good. I do both myself, depending on the
structure of the site I’m working on.

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Not strictly true the world over. This is a convention of any Apache
Web server (the most popular in the world) or any server that is
configured to imitate Apache. But there are other servers (Windows’
unlovely IIS, for example) that have different default behaviors.

A URL (or, to be really pedantic, a URI) is a link to a specific
resource on the Web. A folder is not a resource in and of itself,
because it is a collection of individual things, not a single
indivisible resource. But since we don’t want to have to explain to
every visitor that they should visit <http://www.example.com/
index.html> whenever we hand out a business card to someone, the Web
server goes through this little dance whenever it gets a request that
it cannot fill with a specific file:

  1. If the request is for nothing, add a slash to the end of it and
    see if that makes it a request for a folder.
  2. If the request is for a folder, look inside that folder for one of
    the filenames listed in the DirectoryIndex configuration variable.
    Usually this is index.html, but it’s an open-ended configuration
    variable (space-delimited list of as many different filenames as you
    want to enter), and the first match will win.
  3. If the request is for a folder, and the previous test failed, look
    into the configuration for the server to see if that folder is set to
    use Fancy Indexing. If it is, then generate a nice table view of the
    contents, with clickable links to each item in the folder.
  4. If nothing so far has gone right, then issue a 404 (missing) or
    405 (not allowed) error.

Just in case someone asks you at a party sometime…

Walter

On Apr 6, 2008, at 4:55 AM, Paul Bradforth wrote:

Whenever someone clicks a link to your site, their browser connects
to your server and requests a page called index.html. This happens
the world over, with all sites; the page that’s requested first is
always called that.


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Sometime around 6/4/08 (at 13:36 -0400) Walter Lee Davis said:

Just in case someone asks you at a party sometime…

File under “conversation starters”, cross-linked to “chatup lines”…

k


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