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Yahoo, I think I just got pinged!


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PING!

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Thanks, Keith!


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I can’t speak for anyone else, but my posts are appearing with the correct time stamp now that we’ve reverted to Standard Time. Lucky for you, Walter! :wink:


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On Nov 7, 2007, at 9:43 AM, Joe Muscara wrote:

I can’t speak for anyone else, but my posts are appearing with the
correct time stamp now that we’ve reverted to Standard Time. Lucky
for you, Walter! :wink:

Yes, I saw that as well. The real issue with this is in the boundary
conditions[1]. There are chunks of time when Great Britain is on
British Summer Time and other parts of the world are not on Daylight
Saving Time. Other countries also have differences, that’s just one
example. Truly solving this problem takes an enormous amount of math,
as well as a whopping lookup table that is aware of all the locales
and their various rules. I got into it once, and ran screaming.

Walter

  1. It gets messy around the boundaries, kinda like a JPEG that’s been
    over-compressed.

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On 7 Nov 2007, at 14:52, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

I got into it once, and ran screaming.

Perhaps we should just use UTC…

;o)

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Perhaps we should just use UTC…

I’ve often thought that. I mean for everyone, everywhere. It would have its advantages.

I think Cocoa has time zone stuff built in, but I have no idea what PHP does. I’m surprised some enterprising (bored) PHP contributor(s) haven’t developed a library or something that covers all the time zone info available or that it’s not part of PHP itself somewhere. But, maybe like me, they haven’t had the need to do it.


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On 7 Nov. 2007, 3:30 pm, Joe Muscara wrote:

Perhaps we should just use UTC…

I’ve often thought that. I mean for everyone, everywhere. It would have its advantages.

I think Cocoa has time zone stuff built in, but I have no idea what PHP does. I’m surprised some enterprising (bored) PHP contributor(s) haven’t developed a library or something that covers all the time zone info available or that it’s not part of PHP itself somewhere. But, maybe like me, they haven’t had the need to do it.

There is a PEAR library for this, naturally, and it’s all very nice and well coded. But I have sworn off those because they’re not very easily portable. One of my long-term goals for this system is to make it releasable for others. That’s got some larger issues, notably the need to tweak Mailman at the level we do. But I believe that most of that is surmountable given enough time to think out a suitably clever work-around.

Getting back to the original question, I think there is a way to set the offset such that we don’t have these machinations to go through every fall and spring.

I don’t think that UCT is a very good solution, as it requires that almost everyone do some mental math with the timestamps.

Walter


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Maybe we could all just use Swatch Beats instead…


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On 7 Nov 2007, at 17:00, waltd wrote:

I don’t think that UCT is a very good solution, as it requires that
almost everyone do some mental math with the timestamps.

I know. I was kind of being facetious - with an ulterior motive as
UTC is really Greenwich Mean Time, and I live almost on top of the
Greenwich Meridien…

;o)

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Sometime around 7/11/07 (at 09:52 -0500) Walter Lee Davis said:

There are chunks of time when Great Britain is on
British Summer Time and other parts of the world are not on Daylight
Saving Time. Other countries also have differences

Yep, the whole daylight savings time thing is entirely
location-based. There are places in the US where it differs from one
county to the next, or at least has done not that long ago.

The idea, of course, is to counter the extreme daylight timing
differences that happen with countries that are further away from the
equator. Those not living in countries very far north (or south) have
a tough time understanding what this does for us in practise. Here in
London, we’re actually further north than any part of America other
than Alaska; we’re the same latitude as Labrador and the bottom of
the Hudson Bay.

By the middle of December we’re leaving for work in the morning in
twilight and coming home in the dark. If we stuck to the summertime
hour settings many of us would be leaving for work in the dark,
literally before dawn, and coming home at nightfall.

k


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For more information on DST, you can start here:
http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/c.html

Me, I prefer the natural rhythms instead.


Ernie Simpson – Freeway 4 Pro User – thebigerns.com


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Excuse me Ern as I hijack your response…

WALT - how come all of TBE’s replies seem to start a new thread instead of being added to the thread he’s replying to?


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I didn’t know that was the case. I’m interfacing through Gmail, which
threads everything nicely – but a trip to the web interface shows
that some of my replies start new threads. How strange.

chuckamuck wrote:

Excuse me Ern as I hijack your response…

WALT - how come all of TBE’s replies seem to start a new thread instead of being added to the thread he’s replying to?


Ernie Simpson – Freeway 4 Pro User – thebigerns.com


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I will have to take a closer look at his messages in the database.
Gmail might not be setting the headers I expect, or setting them the
wrong way. The only serious testing was done with Apple Mail and Eudora.

Walter

On Nov 8, 2007, at 7:09 PM, Ernie Simpson wrote:

I didn’t know that was the case. I’m interfacing through Gmail, which
threads everything nicely – but a trip to the web interface shows
that some of my replies start new threads. How strange.

chuckamuck wrote:

Excuse me Ern as I hijack your response…

WALT - how come all of TBE’s replies seem to start a new thread
instead of being added to the thread he’s replying to?


Ernie Simpson – Freeway 4 Pro User – http://www.thebigerns.com/
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