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Evening,

In addition to all else you know about me… I am a volunteer for the
Buffalo Central Terminal Restoration Corp.

Wordpress and Freeway…

are they compatable? PLease read below to see why they want to use
wordpress… can we incorportate all of that into a freeway site so we
are not using templates?

Thank you

Julie

On Nov 8, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Derek J. Punaro wrote:

WordPress as a Content Management System (CMS) is well suited to how
we use the web to communicate - it affords us the ability to run
frequent articles in a blog-like format, as well as have a multitude
of static pages. It’s also extremely flexible and has one of the
largest selection of plugins available to expand it.

Our site currently has 202 posts/articles, 139 pages, and 821
comments. Our posts also automatically feed to our Twitter and
Facebook accounts.

Derek

julie maxwell allen wrote:

Can I ask one question… Before I spill my thoughts?
why do you want it keep it on wordpress?

J
On Nov 8, 2009, at 8:28 PM, Derek J. Punaro wrote:

At this point it would just be good to get a couple different
rough design ideas. I’d even like to see what the non-web graphic
design people (like Deedee) can come up with, just to get a few
different points of view on this.

A few things:

  • The site will continue to be run on Wordpress.
  • We are not stuck with the current color theme or need to reuse
    anything from the current design, as Sara said. As long as we
    incorporate our logo. Personally, I’d like to get away from the
    “dirty” look of our current site. As we are going to have a new
    master plan to share next year, we need to incorporate a bit of
    hope and a bright outlook for the building.
  • The big problem with the current site is the narrow fixed width
    layout, which I definitely want to get away from. I’d much rather
    use a fluid width layout that gives us more flexibility to insert
    video and graphics at a usable size.
  • I’d like to integrate an events calendar right into the home
    page. There are several WordPress plugins to do this, and can
    then be used to display upcoming events dynamically on the home
    page.
  • We need drop down menu navigation, as we take up too much space
    with the current static nav in the sidebar.

Derek

julie maxwell allen wrote:

Good Afternoon,

I also wanted to take a chance an re-introduce myself to some,
and introduce to others…

I was a volunteer a couple of years ago before I had my DD who is
21 mo. now. I own my own business doing web design, marketing and
an other communication and marketing tools people need.

SInce I am a WAHM and my DD is in daycare FT I have the time and
energy to spend working on the CTRC website and what ever else we
need.

Derek, A couple of questions before I do a mock of what I
think… wordpress? , , colors - same as now or others?
any thing I should know - goals, ideas etc before I did my heals
in…

Can’t wait to work with you all! This is a wonderful building and
mission. I am thrilled to be part of it again.

Julie
http://www.grassrootsweb.net
716.783.2679

On Nov 7, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Derek J. Punaro wrote:

I wanted to resend my original email now that we have the list
established, as a couple people did not see this. Let me start
off with a couple of updates.

Leads - Our organization chart has 3 positions that we need to
fill - Marketing Committee Coordinator, Communications/Media
Relations Coordinator, and Merchandise Sales Coordinator. While
some positions like Merchandise Sales Coordinator have an
obvious person to fill the role (Janice) our process has been to
write up a job description and post it on our website for any
org chart level position. This allows us to solicit additional
people into the group, and formalizes giving the job to
someone. Of course, anyone is welcome to apply for any
position, and when we finish writing up the descriptions of the
other two coordinator roles they’ll be posted here for all to
consider.

From the Board perspective, I have the role of Board liaison to
this committee, and Hank is the backup Board liaison.

Website - I’d like to get this discussion rolling right away, as
I’d like to have a new site launched prior to the start of the
2010 events season. Share links to sites that have features you
like that we could incorporate into our new design. For the
website designers in our group (I’m looking at you, Julie :slight_smile: )
if you’d like to sketch up any design ideas, please do so. I’ve
also reached out to Karen Renzi of BeyondUs.com, a local
marketing/web development firm, who approached us at the Friends-
Only tour this year to possibly help with the design and
implementation, so we don’t have to rely on me doing the
implementation this time, as I’m busy enough with the Treasurer
duties.


Original email:

Here’s what we have on our plate:

  1. Appoint leads: We need a person or persons to be Point(s)
    of Contact for Public Relations for the CTRC. I am perfectly
    fine with dividing up the position based on people’s strengths/
    desires. We need someone to be in charge of media relations and
    marketing, which I see as the two biggest roles of this group.
    We are currently working on a “job posting” for a PR head, but
    as was the case for the Events and Volunteer Coordinator roles,
    we don’t really turn anyone away. It’s just a mechanism for
    getting more interested people involved.

  2. Website redesign: Our website is in bad need of a
    facelift. We will continue to manage the site on WordPress, but
    it needs a new theme. Our current site was designed by an
    outside party who from day 1 refused to make any changes to
    better accommodate our needs, so it’s time for an overhaul.
    While I can assist with the implementation of the theme, I’m not
    a graphic designer, and I know at least a couple of you are.
    I’m not against getting another technical person involved who
    knows WordPress and PHP to do the implementation either, as I
    don’t want to be a bottleneck in getting something going.

  3. Begin planning marketing for 2010 events: We’ve already set
    some dates for our key events for 2010, and we need to do “more
    with less” in the marketing department. This year we spent big
    on some radio advertising which proved to be unsuccessful. We
    need to go back to grassroots, ubiquitous, inexpensive, and
    properly targeted marketing to increase the attendance at our
    events.

  4. Expand our team: There are not enough people on this email
    to do everything we need to do in the short or long term. We
    have some interest from students at Houghton College, as well as
    a couple of other people who have expressed interest, but anyone
    that you know that might be willing to help out, please reach
    out to them!

If you’re not interested in helping out, that’s fine, just let
me know. I will probably set up a mailing list that we can all
use to carry on discussions, but I wanted to get this initial
email out to those of you that I knew were interested to get the
ball rolling. Any questions or comments, please let me know.


Derek J. Punaro
Punaro.com / Find me online here


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On Nov 8, 2009, at 8:51 PM, julie maxwell allen wrote:

Evening,

In addition to all else you know about me… I am a volunteer for the
Buffalo Central Terminal Restoration Corp.

Wordpress and Freeway…

are they compatable? PLease read below to see why they want to use
wordpress… can we incorportate all of that into a freeway site so
we are not using templates?

Thank you

Julie

On Nov 8, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Derek J. Punaro wrote:

WordPress as a Content Management System (CMS) is well suited to
how we use the web to communicate - it affords us the ability to
run frequent articles in a blog-like format, as well as have a
multitude of static pages. It’s also extremely flexible and has
one of the largest selection of plugins available to expand it.

Our site currently has 202 posts/articles, 139 pages, and 821
comments. Our posts also automatically feed to our Twitter and
Facebook accounts.

Derek

julie maxwell allen wrote:

Can I ask one question… Before I spill my thoughts?
why do you want it keep it on wordpress?

J
On Nov 8, 2009, at 8:28 PM, Derek J. Punaro wrote:

At this point it would just be good to get a couple different
rough design ideas. I’d even like to see what the non-web
graphic design people (like Deedee) can come up with, just to get
a few different points of view on this.

A few things:

  • The site will continue to be run on Wordpress.
  • We are not stuck with the current color theme or need to reuse
    anything from the current design, as Sara said. As long as we
    incorporate our logo. Personally, I’d like to get away from the
    “dirty” look of our current site. As we are going to have a new
    master plan to share next year, we need to incorporate a bit of
    hope and a bright outlook for the building.
  • The big problem with the current site is the narrow fixed
    width layout, which I definitely want to get away from. I’d much
    rather use a fluid width layout that gives us more flexibility to
    insert video and graphics at a usable size.
  • I’d like to integrate an events calendar right into the home
    page. There are several WordPress plugins to do this, and can
    then be used to display upcoming events dynamically on the home
    page.
  • We need drop down menu navigation, as we take up too much space
    with the current static nav in the sidebar.

Derek

julie maxwell allen wrote:

Good Afternoon,

I also wanted to take a chance an re-introduce myself to some,
and introduce to others…

I was a volunteer a couple of years ago before I had my DD who
is 21 mo. now. I own my own business doing web design, marketing
and an other communication and marketing tools people need.

SInce I am a WAHM and my DD is in daycare FT I have the time and
energy to spend working on the CTRC website and what ever else
we need.

Derek, A couple of questions before I do a mock of what I
think… wordpress? , , colors - same as now or others?
any thing I should know - goals, ideas etc before I did my heals
in…

Can’t wait to work with you all! This is a wonderful building
and mission. I am thrilled to be part of it again.

Julie
http://www.grassrootsweb.net
716.783.2679

On Nov 7, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Derek J. Punaro wrote:

I wanted to resend my original email now that we have the list
established, as a couple people did not see this. Let me start
off with a couple of updates.

Leads - Our organization chart has 3 positions that we need to
fill - Marketing Committee Coordinator, Communications/Media
Relations Coordinator, and Merchandise Sales Coordinator.
While some positions like Merchandise Sales Coordinator have an
obvious person to fill the role (Janice) our process has been
to write up a job description and post it on our website for
any org chart level position. This allows us to solicit
additional people into the group, and formalizes giving the job
to someone. Of course, anyone is welcome to apply for any
position, and when we finish writing up the descriptions of the
other two coordinator roles they’ll be posted here for all to
consider.

From the Board perspective, I have the role of Board liaison
to this committee, and Hank is the backup Board liaison.

Website - I’d like to get this discussion rolling right away,
as I’d like to have a new site launched prior to the start of
the 2010 events season. Share links to sites that have
features you like that we could incorporate into our new
design. For the website designers in our group (I’m looking at
you, Julie :slight_smile: ) if you’d like to sketch up any design ideas,
please do so. I’ve also reached out to Karen Renzi of
BeyondUs.com, a local marketing/web development firm, who
approached us at the Friends-Only tour this year to possibly
help with the design and implementation, so we don’t have to
rely on me doing the implementation this time, as I’m busy
enough with the Treasurer duties.


Original email:

Here’s what we have on our plate:

  1. Appoint leads: We need a person or persons to be Point(s)
    of Contact for Public Relations for the CTRC. I am perfectly
    fine with dividing up the position based on people’s strengths/
    desires. We need someone to be in charge of media relations
    and marketing, which I see as the two biggest roles of this
    group. We are currently working on a “job posting” for a PR
    head, but as was the case for the Events and Volunteer
    Coordinator roles, we don’t really turn anyone away. It’s just
    a mechanism for getting more interested people involved.

  2. Website redesign: Our website is in bad need of a
    facelift. We will continue to manage the site on WordPress,
    but it needs a new theme. Our current site was designed by an
    outside party who from day 1 refused to make any changes to
    better accommodate our needs, so it’s time for an overhaul.
    While I can assist with the implementation of the theme, I’m
    not a graphic designer, and I know at least a couple of you
    are. I’m not against getting another technical person involved
    who knows WordPress and PHP to do the implementation either, as
    I don’t want to be a bottleneck in getting something going.

  3. Begin planning marketing for 2010 events: We’ve already
    set some dates for our key events for 2010, and we need to do
    “more with less” in the marketing department. This year we
    spent big on some radio advertising which proved to be
    unsuccessful. We need to go back to grassroots, ubiquitous,
    inexpensive, and properly targeted marketing to increase the
    attendance at our events.

  4. Expand our team: There are not enough people on this email
    to do everything we need to do in the short or long term. We
    have some interest from students at Houghton College, as well
    as a couple of other people who have expressed interest, but
    anyone that you know that might be willing to help out, please
    reach out to them!

If you’re not interested in helping out, that’s fine, just let
me know. I will probably set up a mailing list that we can all
use to carry on discussions, but I wanted to get this initial
email out to those of you that I knew were interested to get
the ball rolling. Any questions or comments, please let me know.


Derek J. Punaro
Punaro.com / Find me online here


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Julie,

Should you be forwarding your client email replies and publishing on the web for all to see? Google will see this. The client might not be too pleased.


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On 9 Nov 2009, at 09:48, WebWorker wrote:

Should you be forwarding your client email replies and publishing on
the web for all to see?

Especially twice!

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This. Group that I volunteer w. And I have permission

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On 9 Nov 2009, at 09:48, WebWorker wrote:

Should you be forwarding your client email replies and publishing
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Especially twice!

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And they were bcc’d

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On 9 Nov 2009, at 09:48, WebWorker wrote:

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Sometime around 9/11/09 (at 06:59 -0500) Julie said:

And they were bcc’d

Good to hear that you had thought of this. It could be a bad moment
if someone forgets that and posts something private, for example a
work in progress that isn’t supposed to be public. The
Freewaytalk.net site is crawled regularly by Google, so any link
posted here is seen and can, theoretically, show up in anyone’s
search results.

But (general comment to anyone) no spamming of the forums with URLs, ok?
It wouldn’t be particularly effective and it’d just annoy everyone! :slight_smile:

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So now that’s cleared up…

What are your thoughts on my original question?

J

Sent from my iPhone

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Sometime around 9/11/09 (at 06:59 -0500) Julie said:

And they were bcc’d

Good to hear that you had thought of this. It could be a bad moment
if someone forgets that and posts something private, for example a
work in progress that isn’t supposed to be public. The
Freewaytalk.net site is crawled regularly by Google, so any link
posted here is seen and can, theoretically, show up in anyone’s
search results.

But (general comment to anyone) no spamming of the forums with URLs,
ok?
It wouldn’t be particularly effective and it’d just annoy
everyone! :slight_smile:

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Are you really ready to dip your toes in the Wordpress Waters?

By all means have a play with what WP can do but I certainly would not be telling them - I can do that!

If all you are really going to do is transition them to a different WP template then that may be doable but make sure that everything is Triple Backed Up.

Serious consequences if you get it wrong and can’t go back!

Proceed with extreme caution.

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Sometime around 9/11/09 (at 07:17 -0500) Julie said:

What are your thoughts on my original question?

MY thoughts?

Wordpress requires pages in total fragmentation form, all controlled,
assembled and styled by CSS and PHP. Creating a Wordpress template
from scratch isn’t something I’d tackle without careful planning and
time. It certainly isn’t something I’d recommend at all for a
beginner.

You could try starting with a theme that’s fairly close and
experimenting with editing that. But this method isn’t a Freeway
process at all. Julie, I respect your enthusiasm and tenacity - but I
really think you should pass up this project.

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I am not saying I am doing it… trust me… … TRUST ME I do not know
wordpress and am not looking to learn at this moment…

I was just wondering instead of using a wordpress template… can we
use freeway and build in wordpress to the FW site…
Becasue one of the board members wanted something more original
instead of using wordpress templates…

Julie

On Nov 9, 2009, at 7:24 AM, Keith Martin wrote:

Sometime around 9/11/09 (at 07:17 -0500) Julie said:

What are your thoughts on my original question?

MY thoughts?

Wordpress requires pages in total fragmentation form, all
controlled, assembled and styled by CSS and PHP. Creating a
Wordpress template from scratch isn’t something I’d tackle without
careful planning and time. It certainly isn’t something I’d
recommend at all for a beginner.

You could try starting with a theme that’s fairly close and
experimenting with editing that. But this method isn’t a Freeway
process at all. Julie, I respect your enthusiasm and tenacity - but
I really think you should pass up this project.

k


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You could link to the Wordpress part of the site from within Freeway;
or you could put a Wordpress blog in a subfolder or subdomain of the
site, and use Freeway for the rest of the site. But it’s functionally
difficult – trending toward impossible, especially from your end of
the learning curve – to make a Wordpress template with Freeway.
Wordpress demands a technical understanding of HTML, CSS, PHP, and
programming in general that one acquires over years of hacking in a
text editor, or many semesters of Keith Martin’s classes at the
University.

Walter

On Nov 9, 2009, at 8:47 AM, julie maxwell allen wrote:

I am not saying I am doing it… trust me… … TRUST ME I do not know
wordpress and am not looking to learn at this moment…

I was just wondering instead of using a wordpress template… can we
use freeway and build in wordpress to the FW site…
Becasue one of the board members wanted something more original
instead of using wordpress templates…

Julie

On Nov 9, 2009, at 7:24 AM, Keith Martin wrote:

Sometime around 9/11/09 (at 07:17 -0500) Julie said:

What are your thoughts on my original question?

MY thoughts?

Wordpress requires pages in total fragmentation form, all
controlled, assembled and styled by CSS and PHP. Creating a
Wordpress template from scratch isn’t something I’d tackle without
careful planning and time. It certainly isn’t something I’d
recommend at all for a beginner.

You could try starting with a theme that’s fairly close and
experimenting with editing that. But this method isn’t a Freeway
process at all. Julie, I respect your enthusiasm and tenacity - but
I really think you should pass up this project.

k


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That is what I was wondering… I did not know so thank you all for
your input.

Julie
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You could link to the Wordpress part of the site from within
Freeway; or you could put a Wordpress blog in a subfolder or
subdomain of the site, and use Freeway for the rest of the site. But
it’s functionally difficult – trending toward impossible,
especially from your end of the learning curve – to make a
Wordpress template with Freeway. Wordpress demands a technical
understanding of HTML, CSS, PHP, and programming in general that one
acquires over years of hacking in a text editor, or many semesters
of Keith Martin’s classes at the University.

Walter

On Nov 9, 2009, at 8:47 AM, julie maxwell allen wrote:

I am not saying I am doing it… trust me… … TRUST ME I do not
know wordpress and am not looking to learn at this moment…

I was just wondering instead of using a wordpress template… can we
use freeway and build in wordpress to the FW site…
Becasue one of the board members wanted something more original
instead of using wordpress templates…

Julie

On Nov 9, 2009, at 7:24 AM, Keith Martin wrote:

Sometime around 9/11/09 (at 07:17 -0500) Julie said:

What are your thoughts on my original question?

MY thoughts?

Wordpress requires pages in total fragmentation form, all
controlled, assembled and styled by CSS and PHP. Creating a
Wordpress template from scratch isn’t something I’d tackle without
careful planning and time. It certainly isn’t something I’d
recommend at all for a beginner.

You could try starting with a theme that’s fairly close and
experimenting with editing that. But this method isn’t a Freeway
process at all. Julie, I respect your enthusiasm and tenacity -
but I really think you should pass up this project.

k


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On 9 Nov 2009, at 11:50, Julie wrote:

This. Group that I volunteer w. And I have permission

Translation?

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I volunteer for the group that has the website they want to redo, but
likes the features of wordpress, not the templates.

And the board committe chair, gave me permission to forward their
thoughts to see if we could do better in freeway not wordpress w all
of the “bells and whistles” they like about wordpress

Julie
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On 9 Nov 2009, at 11:50, Julie wrote:

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On 9 Nov 2009, at 16:27, julie maxwell allen wrote:

I volunteer for the group that has the website they want to redo,
but likes the features of wordpress, not the templates.

And the board committe chair, gave me permission to forward their
thoughts to see if we could do better in freeway not wordpress w all
of the “bells and whistles” they like about wordpress

Thanks.

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Are you sure they have looked hard enough at Wordpress templates?

There are 1000’s out there to choose from.

On 9 Nov 2009, 3:27 pm, swimmer35 wrote:

likes the features of wordpress, not the templates.


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I think right now they are looking at all of the options

J
On Nov 9, 2009, at 11:46 AM, WebWorker wrote:

Are you sure they have looked hard enough at Wordpress templates?

There are 1000’s out there to choose from.

On 9 Nov 2009, 3:27 pm, swimmer35 wrote:

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no, I want to make my own theme… but beacause I have not time to link my database to freeway… in a first time I would to design my own wordpress template. did yo remenber “Think diferent” this catchword is back. I’m a my user since 1984 and since I allways did my way, I want to still diferent.

If some voluntary people to help me to connect 4D to freeway, very nice things can be done using both together.

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Sometime around 25/12/09 (at 10:51 -0500) ezmac said:

no, I want to make my own theme… but beacause I have not time to
link my database to freeway…

This isn’t about linking a database to Freeway. What you need to do
to create a Wordpress template is build a large number of page
‘fragments’ using CSS to style things.

in a first time I would to design my own wordpress template. did yo
remenber “Think diferent” this catchword is back. I’m a my user
since 1984 and since I allways did my way, I want to still diferent.

That’s absolutely fine. But you’ll have to understand that thinking
different in this case means working with code.

If some voluntary people to help me to connect 4D to freeway

Again, it isn’t really about connecting a database to Freeway. You
should be thinking in terms of how to insert code that lets your
final pages pull content from the database.

I realise that this might seem a petty distinction, but it is an
understanding that’s vital for successful ventures into this kind of
territory.

k


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