Wordpress Vs ??

GOod Morning,

I have a question… the rage is to do a cms site in wordpress so that the client can do all changes etc themselves.

is there a better solution? is it webyep or another online forum.

I ask because someplace (unsure where) I saw rumblings that there was a better one than wordpress.

Thank you

Julie


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

It depends on the scale of project and what you need to achieve. WP and
WY are about as different as two CMS can be in nearly every way.
Wordpress can be a great choice but modifying templates can be a slog
and not for the faint-of-code. MODx, Joomla, Expression Engine,
MojoMotor, WY…they are all great options but you need to figure what
the client needs and wants with regard to features/functionality and
also determine what their (and your) technical comfort level is, then
select a CMS that fits those requirements.

Todd


Julie Maxwell Allen mailto:email@hidden
July 3, 2011 7:42 A

is there a better solution? is it webyep or another online forum.

I ask because someplace (unsure where) I saw rumblings that there was
a better one than wordpress.


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

OK thank you.

with Joomla - can some of it be done in freeway or is it straight up that program?

J
On Jul 3, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Todd wrote:

It depends on the scale of project and what you need to achieve. WP and WY are about as different as two CMS can be in nearly every way. Wordpress can be a great choice but modifying templates can be a slog and not for the faint-of-code. MODx, Joomla, Expression Engine, MojoMotor, WY…they are all great options but you need to figure what the client needs and wants with regard to features/functionality and also determine what their (and your) technical comfort level is, then select a CMS that fits those requirements.

Todd


Julie Maxwell Allen mailto:email@hidden
July 3, 2011 7:42 A

is there a better solution? is it webyep or another online forum.

I ask because someplace (unsure where) I saw rumblings that there was a better one than wordpress.


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

http://actionsworld.com/Actions/joomla/index.php
I’ve never used FW with Joomla but have a good editor handy.

Todd

with Joomla - can some of it be done in freeway or is it straight up that program?


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

The thing to realize about Joomla!, Wordpress, or pretty much any
other CMS out there is that they are full-blown applications that run
on the server. As such, they expect to be in control. They consume
fragments of HTML which you might generate using Freeway or
Dreamweaver or any other application capable of creating HTML, but
they will generally not be second banana to any other application. You
have to live in THEIR world, and understand what they need and provide
it to them.

Freeway, in general, puts the designer in charge of How Things Look.
It abstracts away How Things Work to an amazing degree. But when
integrating with a server-side application, understanding How Things
Work is taken as a first basement step, and understanding Why The
Documentation Says [one thing or another] is also taken as a given.
All in all, most of the CMS systems I have seen expect you to be a
coder, more or less at the level of being able to code your own CMS up
from scratch, using nothing but bear skins and stone knives.

Walter

On Jul 3, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

with Joomla - can some of it be done in freeway or is it straight up
that program?


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

ok. I can understand that.

with the joomla actions does that make it easier for a fw user?

also, Walter - which do you recomend for clients that want control?

Thanks

J
On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

The thing to realize about Joomla!, Wordpress, or pretty much any other CMS out there is that they are full-blown applications that run on the server. As such, they expect to be in control. They consume fragments of HTML which you might generate using Freeway or Dreamweaver or any other application capable of creating HTML, but they will generally not be second banana to any other application. You have to live in THEIR world, and understand what they need and provide it to them.

Freeway, in general, puts the designer in charge of How Things Look. It abstracts away How Things Work to an amazing degree. But when integrating with a server-side application, understanding How Things Work is taken as a first basement step, and understanding Why The Documentation Says [one thing or another] is also taken as a given. All in all, most of the CMS systems I have seen expect you to be a coder, more or less at the level of being able to code your own CMS up from scratch, using nothing but bear skins and stone knives.

Walter

On Jul 3, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

with Joomla - can some of it be done in freeway or is it straight up that program?


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

The Joomla actions only support Joomla 1.5 now and after using them myself, the whole Joomla system is backwards. The actions are nice, but it doesn’t offer much help in how to build a site with them. You have to read through and figure out what modules, articles, categories are and so forth and then you have to figure out how to place content in different pages and then how to stack sidebars, etc.

What attracts people to Joomla is the price, but they end up spending hours looking for addons that may or may not exist. Plus any major CMS system can offer what Wordpress can and if you use a paid-ware system like ExpressionEngine or MojoMotor you can build a much easier website without spending hours dissecting template code.


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

ok. I can understand that.

with the joomla actions does that make it easier for a fw user?

I haven’t used them myself, but Paul Dunning wrote them, and he is
extremely good at that, so I have hight expectations. You should try
them out and see how far you get. Remember, for the money, you also
get Paul to help you with the integration.

also, Walter - which do you recomend for clients that want control?

I have one client using Joomla! at the moment, he seems to like it
okay, but he started out coding in Dreamweaver 3, so he’s probably not
a good test subject for this experiment. Each client is different.
It’s part of your charge to figure out what the client can stand and
how well the CMS workflow integrates with the client’s worldview.

Flat-out the best CMS interface I have ever seen is MODx. Simple,
elegant, easy to use by most people. But even that requires some
understanding of How Things Work for both you and the end-user.
Knowing that you can drag and drop a page from one folder to another
is great. Knowing WHY you would want to has to come first. Only you,
working with the client, can evaluate what will make sense for that
client.

You could probably make a nice admin interface using WebYep and the
various loop tools that Max exposes through his Actions. If you
planned it out carefully, you could provide just enough control for
your customer to keep him or her out of the bushes, while still
effectively handing off the day-to-day administration. WY is the most
usable CMS I have seen for a Freeway workflow, because it hews
carefully to the Freeway design ethos. But WY does run out of road
very quickly, while you would be hard-pressed to find something that
you could not do in Joomla! using one or many of the hundreds
(thousands? haven’t checked lately) of plug-ins available to you.

Walter

Thanks


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

Does EE or Mojo fit w freeway nicely without all the coding?

J

On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Dan J wrote:

The Joomla actions only support Joomla 1.5 now and after using them myself, the whole Joomla system is backwards. The actions are nice, but it doesn’t offer much help in how to build a site with them. You have to read through and figure out what modules, articles, categories are and so forth and then you have to figure out how to place content in different pages and then how to stack sidebars, etc.

What attracts people to Joomla is the price, but they end up spending hours looking for addons that may or may not exist. Plus any major CMS system can offer what Wordpress can and if you use a paid-ware system like ExpressionEngine or MojoMotor you can build a much easier website without spending hours dissecting template code.


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

I think I get most of this but,

Let me ask this also in a different direction…

if someone wants a wordpress site because of the “bells and whistles” that come with it and the ability to manage…

is a better solution a webyep site or what?
On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Does EE or Mojo fit w freeway nicely without all the coding?

J

On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Dan J wrote:

The Joomla actions only support Joomla 1.5 now and after using them myself, the whole Joomla system is backwards. The actions are nice, but it doesn’t offer much help in how to build a site with them. You have to read through and figure out what modules, articles, categories are and so forth and then you have to figure out how to place content in different pages and then how to stack sidebars, etc.

What attracts people to Joomla is the price, but they end up spending hours looking for addons that may or may not exist. Plus any major CMS system can offer what Wordpress can and if you use a paid-ware system like ExpressionEngine or MojoMotor you can build a much easier website without spending hours dissecting template code.


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

If someone asks you for a Wordpress site because he or she has managed
a Wordpress site in the past, and loves the user interface of the
admin console, that’s an excellent reason to give them one. If they
want some of the cool RSS feed generation, or calendar systems, or
whatever other distinct feature they have used in the past through
Wordpress, then that’s also great. I feel confident that someone
deeply skilled in WY could close the gap significantly between the two
platforms, but they are not even slightly equivalent, and you might
end up spending as much time with WY and Freeway trying to reverse-
engineer WP as you would learning how to hand-code a WP template and
fiddling CSS.

If I were you, I would take a long look at this project, and see if it
is worth your while to continue with it. Sometimes the sincerest form
of bravery is to run away. Very fast. While there is nothing quite as
excellent a teacher as a client and a deadline, I fear that you might
have too steep a learning curve to tackle here, and you are facing the
very real possibility of disappointing a client – far worse than you
would if you simply said, “I haven’t used WP before, I’m going to have
to pass on this one.”

Walter

On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Let me ask this also in a different direction…

if someone wants a wordpress site because of the “bells and
whistles” that come with it and the ability to manage…

is a better solution a webyep site or what?


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

I totally agree.

I have been using a WP template maker - artisteer and seem comfortable with that. But I was just wondering for creativness ability. if web yep or something else would help give that “freedom” etc.

I am asking - not that I have a job for a wp site but looking which I should put my energies in learning more so when I do get asked I can say - yes wordpress is the best option for your site, or no I recommend…

I have some time to learn. So i figured looking at other conversations this is something I should look at learning.

J
On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

If someone asks you for a Wordpress site because he or she has managed a Wordpress site in the past, and loves the user interface of the admin console, that’s an excellent reason to give them one. If they want some of the cool RSS feed generation, or calendar systems, or whatever other distinct feature they have used in the past through Wordpress, then that’s also great. I feel confident that someone deeply skilled in WY could close the gap significantly between the two platforms, but they are not even slightly equivalent, and you might end up spending as much time with WY and Freeway trying to reverse-engineer WP as you would learning how to hand-code a WP template and fiddling CSS.

If I were you, I would take a long look at this project, and see if it is worth your while to continue with it. Sometimes the sincerest form of bravery is to run away. Very fast. While there is nothing quite as excellent a teacher as a client and a deadline, I fear that you might have too steep a learning curve to tackle here, and you are facing the very real possibility of disappointing a client – far worse than you would if you simply said, “I haven’t used WP before, I’m going to have to pass on this one.”

Walter

On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Let me ask this also in a different direction…

if someone wants a wordpress site because of the “bells and whistles” that come with it and the ability to manage…

is a better solution a webyep site or what?


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

Absolutely. It’s the @%$! I can’t say enough nice things about it. It’s
touted as being “designer-friendly” and compared to most full-featured
options, it is, but as Walter has said, it does require some hands-on
work, as do they all to varying degrees.

Todd

Flat-out the best CMS interface I have ever seen is MODx. Simple,
elegant, easy to use by most people.


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

What is?

On Jul 3, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Todd wrote:

Absolutely. It’s the @%$!


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

Do have a look at MojoMotor. I’m using it for 2 projects and the
clients, having tried the demo, love it. Nicer than WebYep.

Todd

Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

I have some time to learn. So i figured looking at other conversations this is something I should look at learning.


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

MODx CMS.

Todd


Julie Maxwell Allen mailto:email@hidden
July 3, 2011 12:19 PM

What is?


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

And does it fit w freeway?

Sorry if repeat question. Not on my Mac.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 3, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Todd email@hidden wrote:

Do have a look at MojoMotor. I’m using it for 2 projects and the clients, having tried the demo, love it. Nicer than WebYep.

Todd

Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

I have some time to learn. So i figured looking at other conversations this is something I should look at learning.


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

There are no MojoMotor actions and while I’m not using Mojo with FW,
there’s no reason it can’t be integrated. I’m sure the same could be
said about using MODx with FW.

Todd

Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

And does it fit w freeway?


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

I guess it’s joomla day. Joomla allows you to assign access levels
so that authors, editors and publishers create and edit content from
either or both the front and back ends while preventing access to
other parts of the system.

On Jul 3, 2011, at 5:42 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

GOod Morning,

I have a question… the rage is to do a cms site in wordpress so
that the client can do all changes etc themselves.

is there a better solution? is it webyep or another online forum.

I ask because someplace (unsure where) I saw rumblings that there
was a better one than wordpress.

Thank you

Julie


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options

Freeway is a web design tool, joomla a content management system.
the idea is that you design the look and feel of the site in freeway
and then use joomla to add content and function.
you would install joomla on your host, install your Freeway designed
joomla template into joomla and then login to your site online to add
content - differing access levels can be assigned so that some can
add only from the front end and you can limit what those with backend
access may do.

On Jul 3, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

OK thank you.

with Joomla - can some of it be done in freeway or is it straight
up that program?

J
On Jul 3, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Todd wrote:

It depends on the scale of project and what you need to achieve.
WP and WY are about as different as two CMS can be in nearly every
way. Wordpress can be a great choice but modifying templates can
be a slog and not for the faint-of-code. MODx, Joomla, Expression
Engine, MojoMotor, WY…they are all great options but you need
to figure what the client needs and wants with regard to features/
functionality and also determine what their (and your) technical
comfort level is, then select a CMS that fits those requirements.

Todd



Julie Maxwell Allen mailto:email@hidden
July 3, 2011 7:42 A

is there a better solution? is it webyep or another online forum.

I ask because someplace (unsure where) I saw rumblings that there
was a better one than wordpress.


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options


offtopic mailing list
email@hidden
Update your subscriptions at:
http://freewaytalk.net/person/options