And there goes ADOBE MUSE...

Just spent 8 months working day and night on my website switched over from Freeway to Adobe MUSE and now MUSE is biting the dust,

unfucking real…

http://muse.adobe.com/product-announcement-intl.html

what is the answer???

this is too much!


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Thank you for sharing.

What a shock!!!

I have switched completely to Adobe Muse from FW for 1,5 years now, made my own and several client websites with it. Spend very much time in learning, payed for widget contributors, fought with it, but was very happy in the end. Free designing was easy. It fits very well in workflows with the adobe creative suite, I use InDesign and Illustrator a lot. Perfect. I was sure that the company would be STABLE this time. A big company. It is, but now they just stop the development of Muse???

And again, the question which app I should choose now? Again learn a new app as quickly as possible to be able to offer webdesign to clients? (this is my business together with grafik-design) Again tell clients that …

This is not small business friendly. On the contrary.

*** What is a close app to Adobe Muse? What do you think? ***
I never thought that I would post this question here. I am stunned.

Hanna


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Just a short notice.
The widget developers of Muse-Themes are coming up with something new. I am not sure yet, if this is helping us though.


(Tool sneak preview)


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It’s yet another example of why learning HTML / CSS / Javascript , continues to be the best investment someone working on the web can make for their future.


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Can’t wait to hear what the diehard defenders of Adobe rentware subscription model will say about this!

How aMUSEing!


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*JDW

I use Adobe because I need to work in particular with InDesign, Illustrator and Acrobat. I am a web- but also a grafik-designer. I do a lot of print. I am not a fan of the Adobe model but there is not much of a choice when you work together with firms, partners, colleagues, printers and if you need decent tools. I found these there. Muse fittet in perfect after FW stopped. For me it worked well. But: Everybody must find his or her best solution with their tools and these are certainly and always different. I really don`t understand the fighting here in the forum. It is poor and unnecessary.

And: There is certainly no need to mock on people who experience THIS for the second time.

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I’ve been mocking MUSE for years. I feel no embarrassment for continuing it here, especially since this is a SoftPress forum, not an Adobe forum.

And I have no shame in saying subscription models are stupid, even if Adobe is making money, hand over fist, from you folks.

–James Wages


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James, you can mock Muse or Adobe as long as you wish.

My impression is that you did not read my last post properly.

It is about people.

We all here never ever liked to turn the back on FW but had to and some found in this or in that app a new one. All well. Relax. We share experiences, help each other out, aren’t we?

I am thankful for Hoffkids post, so I was one of the first to know. (located in Germany)

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For what it’s worth, I am not mocking you and certainly not Hoffkids, with whom I have exchanged a number of emails privately. I know he was very impressed with MUSE from the get-go because he wrote to tell me so.

Software is useful, but it is not a human being. And while some may think I was mocking them by mocking a piece of mere software, that too would be incorrect. It is unfortunate for you MUSE users, I will agree. And that’s precisely why I’d either like to see a new, fabulously useful version of Freeway that can help me create responsive websites with tremendous ease, OR when Blocs matures to the point I find it useful, I could possibly go with that (no subscription required).

So even though I still use Freeway Pro 7 even to this very day, I have my eyes open on other web design apps. I am not a full time web designer. I merely design and maintain websites for my company. So my needs are quite different than many who visit this forum.

–James Wages


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I really think that if Freeway was a subscription based piece of software
they probably haven’t gone broke last year.
Adobe will come with another platform based on Spark and they face the same
problem as Freeway/Softpress did: the continuing changes in webdevelopment,
to keep pace with competitors is extremely tough and their Muse department
is relatively small (I heard about 18-20 persons).

But Muse is not dead, neither is Freeway, they’re just discontinued. My car
isn’t build either for 10 years now but I’m still driving in it. I’m still
using Freeway, I can use Muse for several years, But I would like to have a
stable solution for my clients though without fearing to have to build
their sites over again after a while, or forced to get alternatives that
are too expensive (Webydo $75,-/mo, Webflow $16 - $42 /mo).

The Muse market is great and a lot of companies will find an adequate
solution for their loyal customers
Perhaps will in the meantime Freeway 8 see its sunrise. It would be perfect
timing…

My 2 cts.
Andries

2018-03-27 11:03 GMT+02:00 JDW email@hidden:

For what it’s worth, I am not mocking you and certainly not Hoffkids, with
whom I have exchanged a number of emails privately. I know he was very
impressed with MUSE from the get-go because he wrote to tell me so.

Software is useful, but it is not a human being. And while some may think
I was mocking them by mocking a piece of mere software, that too would be
incorrect. It is unfortunate for you MUSE users, I will agree. And that’s
precisely why I’d either like to see a new, fabulously useful version of
Freeway that can help me create responsive websites with tremendous ease,
OR when Blocs matures to the point I find it useful, I could possibly go
with that (no subscription required).

So even though I still use Freeway Pro 7 even to this very day, I have my
eyes open on other web design apps. I am not a full time web designer. I
merely design and maintain websites for my company. So my needs are quite
different than many who visit this forum.

–James Wages


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Beautifully written and said.

I plan on staying with Muse for quite some time and without paying monthly (James will love this), it is even better for me for a long time!

My new site is coming along so well in Muse.

Barry Hoffman
Hoffkids


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Barry, I read through the Adobe announcement again just now…

http://muse.adobe.com/product-announcement-intl.html

…but I don’t see where it says you can continue using MUSE without a subscription. Can you really end your Adobe subscription and keep using MUSE forever? If not, it seems rather silly to maintain an Adobe subscription only to use MUSE, a now discontinued product. And while I understand what Andries said, the big difference between discontinued Freeway and discontinued MUSE is that you can keep using Freeway without paying anything monthly.

–James Wages


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Hi James,

Nice to hear from you. From my new and limited understanding (and others following here can add), when the time comes that Muse is unsupported (right now it still is until 2019 I think), the program does not stop working.

You can still use it and if you are uploading to an FTP (not Adobe BC) then all will still work perfectly as is.

Of course as time goes on there is no help/support for any issues and as browsers, etc develop one might find it to me dated (possibly) , etc.

So, in short, many users pay monthly as they are part of Adobe CC with many other programs. I just use Muse at $16 per mo. I do believe I can stop that now (maybe not until 2019, unsure) and then I still will have the program with no payments!.

also have you seen this???

Barry


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Hi Barry,

Webflow seems a natural fit for MUSE users accustomed to subscriptions, but for those of us who eschew subscriptions and who need to create more than 1 website, any excitement generated by the power of Webflow will soon fade…

If someone does web design for living, perhaps a subscription makes sense. But if you have only a couple websites that need infrequent changes, a subscription is a money losing proposition.

–James Wages


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On 26 Mar 2018, 2:49 am, Hoffkids wrote:

I just use Muse at $16 per mo. I do believe I can stop that now (maybe not until 2019, unsure) and then I still will have the program with no payments!

That’s not how the CC subscription based apps, or CC offerings from Adobe work.

No pay = no play.

I think you are mistaken, please direct me to some official Adobe info on this if you believe otherwise.


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If anyone is tired of paying a monthly fee or has a populair program that’s
discontinued: write me a personal message and i can help you…

2018-03-28 7:45 GMT+02:00 FreewayPro_User email@hidden:

On 26 Mar 2018, 2:49 am, Hoffkids wrote:

I just use Muse at $16 per mo. I do believe I can stop that now (maybe
not until 2019, unsure) and then I still will have the program with no
payments!

That’s not how the CC subscription based apps, or CC offerings from Adobe
work.

No pay = no play.

I think you are mistaken, please direct me to some official Adobe info on
this if you believe otherwise.


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Furthermore… the Webflow solution (Musegrid) is also not a one pay play,
the solution that Musetheme offers with their brand new ‘Without Coding -
WC’ and the use of Architect within it (based on Duda) looks great, but if
you want to use its full potential there will be a monthly subscription too
for using its cloudbased software and server capabilities.

Anyone who can wait on Freeway 8, while using Freeway 7.x or reasonable
priced alternatives meanwhile, is perhaps better off.
If you have business that needs to continue and update say weekly or
monthly, make a good choice that gives you the best workaround and
investment for now and in the next couple of years.

Suddenly there can be a new star at the firmament who’s shaking the cards
all over…(like Elementor for Wordpress), that’s how the webmarket seems
to work nowadays.

Andries

2018-03-28 9:24 GMT+02:00 email@hidden:

If anyone is tired of paying a monthly fee or has a populair program
that’s discontinued: write me a personal message and i can help you…

2018-03-28 7:45 GMT+02:00 FreewayPro_User email@hidden:

On 26 Mar 2018, 2:49 am, Hoffkids wrote:

I just use Muse at $16 per mo. I do believe I can stop that now (maybe
not until 2019, unsure) and then I still will have the program with no
payments!

That’s not how the CC subscription based apps, or CC offerings from Adobe
work.

No pay = no play.

I think you are mistaken, please direct me to some official Adobe info on
this if you believe otherwise.


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Sorry I don’t puzzle…

2018-03-28 9:39 GMT+02:00 FreewayPro_User email@hidden:

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