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Good Evening,

I have a question about bullets. I have 3 bullets (square) in each row (html box)

it seems that the bullets are sitting on the baseline of the word instead of the middle of the first letter - is there a way to fix it?

ALso. a few of the bullets are 2 lines. the second line needs to be indented by one space - it seems not to let me just put in the space. How can I also do this?

thank you again for all of your help

Julie

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Are these list bullets, or are you just typing Shift-Option-8? As far as indenting goes, if you are making a list, and using the regular list-decoration bullets, then you have to create a style to indent a list item only one space-width, as the default is quite a lot more than that.

If you’re looking at this on the Web, here’s an indented list with the default styles:

  • One
  • Two
    • Two A
    • Two B
  • Three

What you need to do is make a style that targets a nested list:

li > ul {
	padding-left: 0;
}
li > ul > li {
	margin-left: 1em;
	list-style-type: square;
}

Something like that, but probably different, since that’s off the top of my head. The style will target every nested list on your page, so if you need to scope it to a specific box, then find the ID of that box and prepend it to either of these styles, so the selector looks like

#item42 li > ul {

The first rule kills the padding on the nested list, then the second one sets an explicit margin for the list items contained within that list.

Walter

On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Good Evening,

I have a question about bullets. I have 3 bullets (square) in each row (html box)

it seems that the bullets are sitting on the baseline of the word instead of the middle of the first letter - is there a way to fix it?

ALso. a few of the bullets are 2 lines. the second line needs to be indented by one space - it seems not to let me just put in the space. How can I also do this?

thank you again for all of your help

Julie

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Thank you Walter … I will look into what you put down below.

these are list bullets.

The second line of the bullet is not a bullet - i did a shift return to get 2 lines instead of one - sorry I did not explain this.

The bullets them selves are the reverse of where your bullets are (sitting on top of the letter) and I want them centered to the middle of the first letter ~T (like where the squiggle sits here)

I just wanted to make sure I was clear in my info - I am sorry if I was not clear in the first place.

J
On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Are these list bullets, or are you just typing Shift-Option-8? As far as indenting goes, if you are making a list, and using the regular list-decoration bullets, then you have to create a style to indent a list item only one space-width, as the default is quite a lot more than that.

If you’re looking at this on the Web, here’s an indented list with the default styles:

  • One
  • Two
    • Two A
    • Two B
  • Three

What you need to do is make a style that targets a nested list:

li > ul {
padding-left: 0;
}
li > ul > li {
margin-left: 1em;
list-style-type: square;
}

Something like that, but probably different, since that’s off the top of my head. The style will target every nested list on your page, so if you need to scope it to a specific box, then find the ID of that box and prepend it to either of these styles, so the selector looks like

#item42 li > ul {

The first rule kills the padding on the nested list, then the second one sets an explicit margin for the list items contained within that list.

Walter

On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Good Evening,

I have a question about bullets. I have 3 bullets (square) in each row (html box)

it seems that the bullets are sitting on the baseline of the word instead of the middle of the first letter - is there a way to fix it?

ALso. a few of the bullets are 2 lines. the second line needs to be indented by one space - it seems not to let me just put in the space. How can I also do this?

thank you again for all of your help

Julie

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Can you make a graphic of what you’re after (in a Graphic Box, you can do anything, including using multiple spaces to “align” things) and post it here? I’m afraid I don’t understand what you want to accomplish.

Walter

On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Thank you Walter … I will look into what you put down below.

these are list bullets.

The second line of the bullet is not a bullet - i did a shift return to get 2 lines instead of one - sorry I did not explain this.

The bullets them selves are the reverse of where your bullets are (sitting on top of the letter) and I want them centered to the middle of the first letter ~T (like where the squiggle sits here)

I just wanted to make sure I was clear in my info - I am sorry if I was not clear in the first place.

J
On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Are these list bullets, or are you just typing Shift-Option-8? As far as indenting goes, if you are making a list, and using the regular list-decoration bullets, then you have to create a style to indent a list item only one space-width, as the default is quite a lot more than that.

If you’re looking at this on the Web, here’s an indented list with the default styles:

  • One
  • Two
  • Two A
  • Two B
  • Three

What you need to do is make a style that targets a nested list:

li > ul {
padding-left: 0;
}
li > ul > li {
margin-left: 1em;
list-style-type: square;
}

Something like that, but probably different, since that’s off the top of my head. The style will target every nested list on your page, so if you need to scope it to a specific box, then find the ID of that box and prepend it to either of these styles, so the selector looks like

#item42 li > ul {

The first rule kills the padding on the nested list, then the second one sets an explicit margin for the list items contained within that list.

Walter

On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Good Evening,

I have a question about bullets. I have 3 bullets (square) in each row (html box)

it seems that the bullets are sitting on the baseline of the word instead of the middle of the first letter - is there a way to fix it?

ALso. a few of the bullets are 2 lines. the second line needs to be indented by one space - it seems not to let me just put in the space. How can I also do this?

thank you again for all of your help

Julie

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I am unsure about the graphic box

But look at:
http://grassrootsweb.net/qstorm/profile.html

How all the bullets are not centered w the first letter the are on the bottom or below the line as seen in the second column

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On Jun 20, 2012, at 22:21, Walter Lee Davis email@hidden wrote:

Can you make a graphic of what you’re after (in a Graphic Box, you can do anything, including using multiple spaces to “align” things) and post it here? I’m afraid I don’t understand what you want to accomplish.

Walter

On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Thank you Walter … I will look into what you put down below.

these are list bullets.

The second line of the bullet is not a bullet - i did a shift return to get 2 lines instead of one - sorry I did not explain this.

The bullets them selves are the reverse of where your bullets are (sitting on top of the letter) and I want them centered to the middle of the first letter ~T (like where the squiggle sits here)

I just wanted to make sure I was clear in my info - I am sorry if I was not clear in the first place.

J
On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Are these list bullets, or are you just typing Shift-Option-8? As far as indenting goes, if you are making a list, and using the regular list-decoration bullets, then you have to create a style to indent a list item only one space-width, as the default is quite a lot more than that.

If you’re looking at this on the Web, here’s an indented list with the default styles:

  • One
  • Two
    • Two A
    • Two B
  • Three

What you need to do is make a style that targets a nested list:

li > ul {
padding-left: 0;
}
li > ul > li {
margin-left: 1em;
list-style-type: square;
}

Something like that, but probably different, since that’s off the top of my head. The style will target every nested list on your page, so if you need to scope it to a specific box, then find the ID of that box and prepend it to either of these styles, so the selector looks like

#item42 li > ul {

The first rule kills the padding on the nested list, then the second one sets an explicit margin for the list items contained within that list.

Walter

On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Good Evening,

I have a question about bullets. I have 3 bullets (square) in each row (html box)

it seems that the bullets are sitting on the baseline of the word instead of the middle of the first letter - is there a way to fix it?

ALso. a few of the bullets are 2 lines. the second line needs to be indented by one space - it seems not to let me just put in the space. How can I also do this?

thank you again for all of your help

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Why are you using graphics for the list items? Just curious.

Todd
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The font … That is what the client wants. As he is in design himself, I try to do what He wants

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Why are you using graphics for the list items? Just curious.

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Hmmm … well, you’re really missing out on a great opportunity to lend some search-engine food to the page. Lists are good structures from a semantic perspective as well as accessibility. Might want to mention that to him. Is that font available as @font-face? If so just embed it and use a non-graphic list. If not find one that’s similar that you can embed.

Todd

On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

The font … That is what the client wants. As he is in design himself, I try to do what He wants

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Why are you using graphics for the list items? Just curious.

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Thank u for the suggestion I will look into it!

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Hmmm … well, you’re really missing out on a great opportunity to lend some search-engine food to the page. Lists are good structures from a semantic perspective as well as accessibility. Might want to mention that to him. Is that font available as @font-face? If so just embed it and use a non-graphic list. If not find one that’s similar that you can embed.

Todd
http://xiiro.com

On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

The font … That is what the client wants. As he is in design himself, I try to do what He wants

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Why are you using graphics for the list items? Just curious.

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What is the font you are using?

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Myriad pro

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What is the font you are using?

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I happen to feel that Myriad is visually similar to Lucida Sans, so make a font set with the following cascade:

'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode'. Lucida, Geneva, Arial, sans-serif

Use that font set in place of your graphic text, and you should be all set. The type will wrap normally to a second line, with a proper hanging bullet aligned with the first line of text.

  • Short line
  • A really long line, going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on
  • Short line

Walter

On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:21 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Myriad pro

Sent from my iPhone

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What is the font you are using?

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great thank you~ I will try that

J
On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

I happen to feel that Myriad is visually similar to Lucida Sans, so make a font set with the following cascade:

‘Lucida Grande’, ‘Lucida Sans Unicode’. Lucida, Geneva, Arial, sans-serif

Use that font set in place of your graphic text, and you should be all set. The type will wrap normally to a second line, with a proper hanging bullet aligned with the first line of text.

  • Short line
  • A really long line, going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on
  • Short line

Walter

On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:21 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

Myriad pro

Sent from my iPhone

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What is the font you are using?

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I would add to Walter’s suggestion that it is worth prefixing this font set with Myriad in the off chance that someone has it installed.
Regards,
Tim.

On 21 Jun 2012, at 15:27, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

I happen to feel that Myriad is visually similar to Lucida Sans, so make a font set with the following cascade:

‘Lucida Grande’, ‘Lucida Sans Unicode’. Lucida, Geneva, Arial, sans-serif

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so put ‘Myriad’, ‘Lucida Grande’, ‘Lucida Sans Unicode’. Lucida, Geneva, Arial, sans-serif

in the alt font area

and put Myriad as the main title of the font set?

Just confirming

On Jun 21, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Tim Plumb wrote:

I would add to Walter’s suggestion that it is worth prefixing this font set with Myriad in the off chance that someone has it installed.
Regards,
Tim.

On 21 Jun 2012, at 15:27, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

I happen to feel that Myriad is visually similar to Lucida Sans, so make a font set with the following cascade:

‘Lucida Grande’, ‘Lucida Sans Unicode’. Lucida, Geneva, Arial, sans-serif

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Yes.

Walter

On Jun 21, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:

so put ‘Myriad’, ‘Lucida Grande’, ‘Lucida Sans Unicode’. Lucida, Geneva, Arial, sans-serif

in the alt font area

and put Myriad as the main title of the font set?

Just confirming

On Jun 21, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Tim Plumb wrote:

I would add to Walter’s suggestion that it is worth prefixing this font set with Myriad in the off chance that someone has it installed.
Regards,
Tim.

On 21 Jun 2012, at 15:27, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

I happen to feel that Myriad is visually similar to Lucida Sans, so make a font set with the following cascade:

‘Lucida Grande’, ‘Lucida Sans Unicode’. Lucida, Geneva, Arial, sans-serif

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Some hair in soup and even unsure if my statement is correct:

You are using MyriadPro as “graphic text” so you have MyriadPro installed on your computer - correct? Have you or your client ever purchased a license (I suppose cause it is shipped with any Adobe Software)? But do you have then automatically the legal right to use it in web even as graphics?

Well - probably yes.

What I really want to say is:

If a client wants to have a special FONT, I tell my clients:

Purchase a weblicense (.ttf,.otf + .eot) of the desired FONT or have a look at https://typekit.com/fonts/myriad-pro and see the pricing (eg. 2$/month) and tell me if it is worth.

If yes - cooooool, if no:

Let’s have a look at google webfonts if we find an alternative (and Lucida is a great alternative without google webfonts).

Dealing with “graphic text stuff” is so outdated and I refuse to work with it these days.

Another alternative?

Yes - go to my competitors, I’m pretty sure they do.

Julie - the entire text is set as graphic. Is one single FONT that important to knock down SEO? It is a media company and they should know what they do and if not I expect from you (all) to tell them.

It’s just to avoid another list in here in a couple of weeks with the title:

“Help - Google is ranking my site on page 12 - what can I do?”

Cheers

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Thomas, I totally agree

I have not had a time to
Put in Walters suggestions

Julie

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Some hair in soup and even unsure if my statement is correct:

You are using MyriadPro as “graphic text” so you have MyriadPro installed on your computer - correct? Have you or your client ever purchased a license (I suppose cause it is shipped with any Adobe Software)? But do you have then automatically the legal right to use it in web even as graphics?

Well - probably yes.

What I really want to say is:

If a client wants to have a special FONT, I tell my clients:

Purchase a weblicense (.ttf,.otf + .eot) of the desired FONT or have a look at https://typekit.com/fonts/myriad-pro and see the pricing (eg. 2$/month) and tell me if it is worth.

If yes - cooooool, if no:

Let’s have a look at google webfonts if we find an alternative (and Lucida is a great alternative without google webfonts).

Dealing with “graphic text stuff” is so outdated and I refuse to work with it these days.

Another alternative?

Yes - go to my competitors, I’m pretty sure they do.

Julie - the entire text is set as graphic. Is one single FONT that important to knock down SEO? It is a media company and they should know what they do and if not I expect from you (all) to tell them.

It’s just to avoid another list in here in a couple of weeks with the title:

“Help - Google is ranking my site on page 12 - what can I do?”

Cheers

Thomas

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As far as I know, there are no restrictions on using Photoshop or Freeway or any other application that can use a font to create a pixel graphic incorporating that font and publish it anywhere. The machine where you make the translation from the copyright property – the software that is the font, with its mathematical descriptions of the characters – to the art – the fixed, non-modifiable work incorporating the representation of that font at a particular size and resolution – must be licensed to legally make that translation.

This is why when you send your print job to the service bureau or printer’s prepress team, they must also have licensed the fonts that you used, since they are taking the digital file and converting it into something physical, like a printing plate or a piece of film. Once that translation happens, the license rules have been satisfied, since the finished product cannot be further modified in its original, copyright format (the digital).

Where this gets horribly sticky is with Web fonts. There, the software is sent along as part of the finished site, and unless you have the license to do this, you are breaking the law. At issue there is the fact that someone could (fairly easily) take the embedded font data (the software) and convert it into the fonts you started with, and then use them without paying a license to make something entirely other than your Web page.

Walter

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You are using MyriadPro as “graphic text” so you have MyriadPro installed on your computer - correct? Have you or your client ever purchased a license (I suppose cause it is shipped with any Adobe Software)? But do you have then automatically the legal right to use it in web even as graphics?

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Hi Julie,

curious, but my post didn’t show up in the list for whatever reason so I thought it is lost. Freewaytalk is so lame these days, error messages, not reachable so I am not sure what’s going on here. I repost it now once again:

Some hair in soup and even unsure if my statement is correct:

You are using MyriadPro as “graphic text” so you have MyriadPro installed on your computer - correct? Have you or your client ever purchased a license (I suppose cause it is shipped with any Adobe Software)? But do you have then automatically the legal right to use it in web even as graphics?

Well - probably yes.

What I really want to say is:

If a client wants to have a special FONT, I tell my clients:

Purchase a weblicense (.ttf,.otf + .eot) of the desired FONT or have a look at https://typekit.com/fonts/myriad-pro and see the pricing (eg. 2$/month) and tell me if it is worth.

If yes - cooooool, if no:

Let’s have a look at google webfonts if we find an alternative (and Lucida is a great alternative without google webfonts).

Dealing with “graphic text stuff” is so outdated and I refuse to work with it these days.

Another alternative?

Yes - go to my competitors, I’m pretty sure they do.

Julie - the entire text is set as graphic. Is one single FONT that important to knock down SEO? It is a media company and they should know what they do and if not I expect from you (all) to tell them.

It’s just to avoid another list in here in a couple of weeks with the title:

“Help - Google is ranking my site on page 12 - what can I do?”

Cheers

Thomas

BTW:

I’m always tend to be on the “dangerous side of life” and did therefore a quick test :-). It looks like Myriad or? http://kimmich-dm.de/screenerstuff/index.html

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