CMS and FW and RapidWeaver

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Hi

I keep getting asked the same question by clients:

“I want to update my website myself”

Given the box model is a pain in the bum and the jury is out on how the new Relative Page Action will work with a CMS like WebYep, I am wondering if RapidWeaver is better at creating ‘box model’ website that work with WebYep?

i.e. if the client adds more text to a page in a CMS, will items underneath the text be automatically moved down the page? Can RapidWeaver deal with this more easily than FW?

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I didn’t realise that there was a jury concerning the relative page layout all the tests a I did where fine and as far as I know webyep works with RPL… well all the pages I constructed did,
but it does all come down to how you construct the page in first place.

All the best max

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This always going to be a problem when the Client flings a bucketload of text unexpectedly at a page.

It is not a FW or RW thing - it is a page construction thing.

David

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The jury is somewhat out and the general comments from those who email me is that it turns out not to be how the RPL action works, but how many items you need to attach the “No RPL Action” (paraphrased) to to make your layout work.

I know with all my templates that I sell, the RPL does not work right out of the box with them nor have I found a way to attach the RPL action and find a overlap tolerance that works. I end up applying the “No RPL Action” to every item that messes up and then it kind of works but that seems more work than I thought I would have to do.

The reality is simple in that the easier the layout you have the more success you will have. The more complicated a layout you have the more “don’t includes” you’ll be attaching.

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I guess I’m wondering if RapidWeaver does the whole CSS box model, relative page thing (I don’t know what to call it) automatically, so I don’t have to think about it?

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Not to derail this thread, but I’d like to know more input on the use of RPL. Dan and Max seem to have opposite views, and my guess is that’s down to how the page is built.

I gathered that you can just place layered boxes on a page like html boxes, apply the action and it just works. But, all the examples I see that came with FW and have the RPL applied, still seem to have quite a bit of inline elements on the page.

It would be nice if there was a “dos and don’ts” tutorial or video explaining the best way to use it.

Bob

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I agree with Bob

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Have you guys seen the KnowledgeBase article?

Joe

On 10 Nov 2010, at 09:48, Mark wrote:

I agree with Bob

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Hi Joe

Just had a look at the article - thanks - I’ll give it a go

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Hi Bob,

On 9 Nov 2010, at 15:17, Robert B wrote:

I gathered that you can just place layered boxes on a page like html boxes, apply the action and it just works. But, all the examples I see that came with FW and have the RPL applied, still seem to have quite a bit of inline elements on the page.

I’m pretty sure we avoided using inflow items where possible in the new templates. Do you have any examples of templates using inflow items?

Joe

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OK. My mistake. It looked like things were inline, but maybe they are just grouped.

The Charcoal example looked like inline items to me.

Bob

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Yeah, they are just grouped items in that template (mostly to get maximum effect from custom borders).

Joe

On 10 Nov 2010, at 13:14, Robert B wrote:

OK. My mistake. It looked like things were inline, but maybe they are just grouped.

The Charcoal example looked like inline items to me.

Bob

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Hi all,

apologize to all, especially to softpress if I judged here or on other places the RPL action not suitable for WebYep.

After having a quick test, I was more than surprised the way it works. It’s of course a matter of complexity of design and I know that Dan’s artwork is very detailed, but looking at that example (link at the end of thread), it really works like a charm (quick and dirty).

I never expected to solve “unexpected lenght” with RPL - but as far as I see, it just works.

The content is filled direct in browser, and prolong it to my needs, the footer and (or) the other boxes moves in relation to it and keep their default distances.

This is really, really cool - good to know and should make hope for all of those struggling with inline content.

It will not substitute inline-boxmodel, cause there are much more advantages by creating one yet (footer, header area stretching all over the screen).

So the answer what RPL does could be quite simple.

If you have no overlapping items put somewhere in place, it will keep the distances between those items (regardless of its content filled in).

I hope that I don’t have to apologize me again :slight_smile:

Here’s the example (sorry for not styling it out):

http://www.kimmich-dm.de/ripple/ripple-test.php

Hope it helps you out and hope it could be a way to discuss it without moving to other applications.

Cheers

Thomas

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Thanks for the example.

I noticed you used a lightbox item. Is that the Scripty Lightbox Action?

I guess you didn’t have to do anything special with it?

I have possibly three new sites to do and I’d really like to use the RPL Action, but I want to make sure I won’t have any problems with actions or any “surprises”.

Bob

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Hi Bob,

no, the lightbox is direct in TinyMCE Richtext editor. All my “content” is used to be done with:

WebYep Richtext
Painful Texteditor like TinyMCE

Well - I can’t protect you from the bunch of troubles, really - and I’m far away of making any advices but the first steps to do setting up a CMS (independent of what) is to clarify what parts of the page needs to be changed.

I know that first the customer wants to change entire site. But by a certain amount of meetings it is reduced to a few lines.

Without knowing an example how the page should or could look like, it’s hard to tell you more than this or to make you a rough mock-up of what you have to expect.

Cheers

Thomas

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I will reiterate that the success of the RPL Action depends solely on the complexity of the layout. While I value the knowledge of understanding what I say I can do for my clients, I do see potential with the RPL Action and Softpress has done a wonderful job with it.

For less complicated layouts and more general theming it works but for heavy duty layouts that have layers upon layers of items it doesn’t work right out of the box and my clients don’t get why this layer is up 100px just so the RPL Action works and also why when they move it it doesn’t work when they look in the browser.

It just makes it more confusing to send files out to clients with a list of items not using this RPL Action. For instance today, I sent out a file to a client with the RPL Action activated followed by a list of 32 items that use the “No RPL Action” so now they have to be a Freeway ninja to not mess anything up. Just doesn’t seem right.

That’s my two cents on it.

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