Hi all,
I am testing a site FW5 and menus do not work properly, acting up.
Anyone knows what the problem is?
This is the site:
www.olympiawindows.com/fw5
Thanks in advance.
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On 6 May. 2008, 3:09 pm, kitesurfer3 wrote:
Hi all,
I am testing a site FW5 and menus do not work properly, acting up.
Anyone knows what the problem is?This is the site:
www.olympiawindows.com/fw5Thanks in advance.
Basically, your menu bar is on a layer behind your scrolling text box. Change the stack order so that your menu buttons are the top most layer and you’ll be good to go.
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Basically, your menu bar is on a layer behind your scrolling text box. Change the stack order so that your menu buttons are the top most layer and you’ll be good to go.
Thank you for your quick response, I misunderstood (read too fast) and starting changing the CSS Menu to no layer and made a mess.
Anyway it is the top layer but still has problems in IE7.
Any other ideas?
Just in case: www.olympiawindows.com/fw5
Thanks again
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Ok, I took a look again using IE7. Works fine…for the most part. The drop downs do seem to be having a problem. Interestingly, if you click and drag with your mouse over the drop down then release your mouse button the menus miraculously start working again. You will notice that when you do this the cursor is an arrow when first clicking on menu, then when you drag down it changes to a circle with a line through it, then when you release mouse button it changes to hand again and drop downs work till you drag out of menu.
Do you have the “Arrow” option in the CSS Menu action checked or un-checked? Try un-checking it as a test and reupload your site.
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Hi guys,
I’m taking a look into this and will let you know what I find.
Cheers,
Joe
On 7 May 2008, at 06:22, chuckamuck wrote:
Ok, I took a look again using IE7. Works fine…for the most part.
The drop downs do seem to be having a problem. Interestingly, if you
click and drag with your mouse over the drop down then release your
mouse button the menus miraculously start working again. You will
notice that when you do this the cursor is an arrow when first
clicking on menu, then when you drag down it changes to a circle
with a line through it, then when you release mouse button it
changes to hand again and drop downs work till you drag out of menu.Do you have the “Arrow” option in the CSS Menu action checked or un-
checked? Try un-checking it as a test and reupload your site.
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Hi Kitesurfer,
The problem is the lack of a background set on the main menu. In the
Action palette you will need to either select a color for the
background (this will overlap the image you are using behind the menu)
or use the “Use Image” option to add the gradient graphic you are
using as the background (if it’s a Freeway item you will need to
export it first). You should set the image as to tile along x
(horizontal).
Just to let you know, it’s quite tricky to see what’s happening if you
have your code set to more efficient, in the future can you set it to
more readable in the Inspector before uploading please ;o)
Cheers,
Joe
On 7 May 2008, at 09:38, Joe Billings wrote:
Hi guys,
I’m taking a look into this and will let you know what I find.
Cheers,
Joe
On 7 May 2008, at 06:22, chuckamuck wrote:
Ok, I took a look again using IE7. Works fine…for the most part.
The drop downs do seem to be having a problem. Interestingly, if you
click and drag with your mouse over the drop down then release your
mouse button the menus miraculously start working again. You will
notice that when you do this the cursor is an arrow when first
clicking on menu, then when you drag down it changes to a circle
with a line through it, then when you release mouse button it
changes to hand again and drop downs work till you drag out of menu.Do you have the “Arrow” option in the CSS Menu action checked or un-
checked? Try un-checking it as a test and reupload your site.
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Thanks a lot Joe!
That was it and sorry about the mess, I am a newbie and didn’t know.
Great help!
Thanks to everybody.
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Hi All,
sorry to resurrect an old thread but I am not sure if this is the
same problem or not.
I have been told that when this site <http://www.miresbeck.co.uk/
indexa.php> is viewed in IE7 the Our Plants submenu disappears when
you try to select more than the first option, stopping you from going
to the other pages in the submenu.
I have background colours set in both the main and sub menu, the z-
index is set to 99 to bring the menu to the top.
I do not have direct access to IE7 at the moment could some kind sole
check this out for me please to see if you can find a problem. It
appears to be working fine in IE6, firefox and opera
thanks
Neil
On 7 May 2008, at 10:05, Joe Billings wrote:
Hi Kitesurfer,
The problem is the lack of a background set on the main menu. In the
Action palette you will need to either select a color for the
background (this will overlap the image you are using behind the menu)
or use the “Use Image” option to add the gradient graphic you are
using as the background (if it’s a Freeway item you will need to
export it first). You should set the image as to tile along x
(horizontal).Just to let you know, it’s quite tricky to see what’s happening if you
have your code set to more efficient, in the future can you set it to
more readable in the Inspector before uploading please ;o)Cheers,
Joe
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Hello Joe,
I have a similar problem to the others.
The pop-out menus work fin in Safari, but not in IE.
In IE., the menus pop out to the right, but when we move the mouse pointer to cover the pop out, it commonly disappears. When we successfully cover the pop out item, then try to move down to the next pop up item, the pop out menu disappears again.
All items have background colours set to White.
The page is available at www.insulation-online.co.uk
Would appreciate your advice.
Colin
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Hi Colin,
This is actually caused by the bug that has been mentioned before.
Go to Page>Insert HTML and in the "Before " section (the / is
important) paste the following:
A fix will be incorporated into an upcoming release of Freeway so you
will be able to remove it then.
I hope this helps.
Joe
On 5 Jun 2008, at 13:18, Colin Moon wrote:
Hello Joe,
I have a similar problem to the others.
The pop-out menus work fin in Safari, but not in IE.
In IE., the menus pop out to the right, but when we move the mouse
pointer to cover the pop out, it commonly disappears. When we
successfully cover the pop out item, then try to move down to the
next pop up item, the pop out menu disappears again.All items have background colours set to White.
The page is available at www.insulation-online.co.uk
Would appreciate your advice.
Colin
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Hello Joe,
Thanks, your fix does work.
However, sadly Freeway 5 is not as advertised . We bought it because we hoped it would be a faster means of writing web sites.
The reality is it is no easier or faster than using Dreamweaver. Or, at least that is our experience over the past ten days.
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On 5 Jun 2008, 2:06 pm, Colin Moon wrote:
However, sadly Freeway 5 is not as advertised . We bought it because we hoped it would be a faster means of writing web sites.The reality is it is no easier or faster than using Dreamweaver. Or, at least that is our experience over the past ten days.
That seems a little harsh. I can agree that if you were expecting it to be Dreamweaver, and you set out to use it as Dreamweaver, then maybe (as Yoda would say) “some un-learning you must do”.
It would be the same if you were a died-in-the-wool Windows zealot, and you sat down at somebody else’s highly customized Mac desktop to do something “simple”.
The reality that I have experienced for over ten years is that once you understand its methods, Freeway is many many times faster than the “text-file-centric” traditional model of Web development.
Walter
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Hi Walter,
Sorry, I don’t think it is harsh to provide realistic critique. My comments are not partisan. I have no axe to grind about which Browser; Operating System; or Web Design program is best.
What I do understand is that this thread has been going on for some time, and its not the first. There is a lot of advice about coloured backgrounds, layer order, et cetera. Yet, our (and other’s) problem is cause by … “the bug that has been mentioned before.” Mentioned where? I don’t know? We bought the program ten days ago, and we didn’t find an errata note, on this vital issue.
The fact is that we (and we are clearly not alone) have wasted a very considerable amount of time on an mechanism that is fundamental to any web site - Navigation!
I wonder how many Mac users there are out there … happy and content that the navigation on their web sites work universally? When in reality it may not work on the world’s most popular web browser. (Not partisan - but rightly or wrongly - a fact) but they are oblivious because it works fine on Safari and Firefox. And, I doubt that there are too many Mac users out there with the now-defunct Internet Explorer: Mac: 5.2 on their machines.
No Walter, I don’t think I am being at all harsh. Neither Freeway nor IE7 are so new, that this error could not have been noticed and rectified before Version 5 was issued.
Colin.
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On 5 Jun 2008, at 16:42, Colin Moon wrote:
What I do understand is that this thread has been going on for some
time, and its not the first. There is a lot of advice about
coloured backgrounds, layer order, et cetera. Yet, our (and
other’s) problem is cause by … “the bug that has been mentioned
before.” Mentioned where? I don’t know? We bought the program ten
days ago, and we didn’t find an errata note, on this vital issue.
But didn’t Joe Billings give you a simple fix? At least, it looked
simple, and would surely have kept you going until the bug is fixed?
I’d urge you to stick with Freeway and get to know it; I’m sure you’d
find it very rewarding and certainly much more flexible and yes,
clever, than Dreamweaver.
best wishes
Paul Bradforth
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Sorry Colin, but it sounds harsh to me too. Ten days is just not a lot of experience with new software… and since you are an experienced commercial web-designer, I would have expected you to catch on to what the problem was yourself from the html and css code. But you didn’t, which can happen to anybody. Frustrating, Yes. Software’s fault, No.
The support you received was fast and the solution given was detailed in an easy to implement way, yet you chose to accuse the people helping you of false advertisement. I just cannot see how that is not Harsh.
In the spirit of non-partisan “realistic” critique I want to point out that “fixes” (like the one Joe mentions) are not actually fixes for the application… the app isn’t actually broken imo. They are instead fixes for the users of the application. Programming around what people don’t know, as it were. It’s what Softpress is known for and I think it’s great – but I also think that it sometimes engenders unrealistic expectations among the few professionals who have chosen never to learn a whit about what they do and then complain when the software hasn’t been sufficiently programmed to overcome their ignorance.
But then again, I’ve been there and done that too.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Colin Moon <email@hidden> wrote:
Sorry, I don’t think it is harsh to provide realistic critique. My comments are not partisan. I have no axe to grind about which Browser; Operating System; or Web Design program is best.
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Hi Paul,
Yes, your right, Joe Billings did provide avery simple fix … for which I am most grateful. But we had already wasted a lot of time trying to fix the issue ourselves, before having to resort to the members’ board.
The fact is this is a very sloppy programming on a part of the program that is fundamental to its successful operation. IE7 came out at the back of 2006. Freeway is on version 5.1.1, yet it seems nobody at Freeway felt at that this issue was sufficiently problematic to forewarn users as a matter of course.
I appreciate the loyalty Mac users show for their machines and the programs that run on them. But that loyalty should not be abused.
Because of this bug, do you reckon that there might be just one business out there believing that potential customers can successfully navigate their site, when they cannot? If so, Freeway has done them a great disservice … a service for which they have paid.
Colin
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Big Erns,
Thanks for your opinions. However, I would point out that I am not an experienced commercial web-designer. Nor did I expect that I had to be to use this program. On the contrary, I thought that that was what Freeway was all about. Making life easier for web designers … ho HTML knowledge necessary, et cetera.
Unlike you, I believe that when one buys a product it should work properly, or be recalled.
I didn’t sign up to go into partnership with Freeway, to help develop their product. It’s not Open Source is it? Nor did I think I was buying an adventure game, with which I could whittle away my leisure hours.
I bought a product, that I expected to do as it says on the tin.
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Thanks Joe that sorted out my problem, I discovered the other thread
later.
Neil
On 5 Jun 2008, at 14:17, Joe Billings wrote:
Hi Colin,
This is actually caused by the bug that has been mentioned before.
Go to Page>Insert HTML and in the "Before " section (the / is
li { float: left; width: 100%; }
important) paste the following:A fix will be incorporated into an upcoming release of Freeway so you
will be able to remove it then.I hope this helps.
Joe
On 5 Jun 2008, at 13:18, Colin Moon wrote:
Hello Joe,
I have a similar problem to the others.
The pop-out menus work fin in Safari, but not in IE.
In IE., the menus pop out to the right, but when we move the mouse
pointer to cover the pop out, it commonly disappears. When we
successfully cover the pop out item, then try to move down to the
next pop up item, the pop out menu disappears again.All items have background colours set to White.
The page is available at www.insulation-online.co.uk
Would appreciate your advice.
Colin
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I think the more important question here is whether IE7 is playing the game correctly according to the accepted web standards that FW is trying to work to.
If it is not then should not MS tell its IE7 users of its shortcomings?
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Colin Moon wrote:
Thanks for your opinions. However, I would point out that I am not an experienced commercial web-designer.
That’s hardly the impression given at http://www.just-webs.com/
On the contrary, I thought that that was what Freeway was all about. Making life easier for web designers … ho HTML knowledge necessary, et cetera.
Considering that Freeway wrote (for you, an inexperienced
web-designer) all but a single line of code to your satisfaction (and
that line then being provided to you gratis, by the manufacturer), I’d
say that it did made your life so much easier.
Unlike you, I believe that when one buys a product it should work properly, or be recalled.
Actually, there isn’t much difference between us, as I was also fairly
vitriolic when I first discovered how difficult building websites
could be – even with software that shouldered most of the work. I
hope that you will, as I eventually did, one day understand that web
design is not completely immune from all the various monkey wrenches
that are constantly thrown into its workings. Then you will appreciate
what a resilient and flexible tool Freeway can be in the hands of a
knowledgeable and experienced user. Or, you can ask SP for a refund
and go bother the Front Page people for their shortcomings.
But I really hope you take the first approach.
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