http://jonontech.com/2013/05/13/how-to-avoid-cms-selection-confuction/
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What do you find so curious about it?
I ran into a situation today where someone’s cms site had gone “tits-up”
and was desperate for me to rebuild it on another server, and my thought
was “what about all the content you added after I set up the site?” So, I
think it’s very legitimate to think about content separate from technology
and how to make it enduring while accepting the tech is really temporary.
Books (when unburned) can be read hundreds of years after they are
published, while modern recording methods endure much less robustly.
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I’m not questioning the legitimacy of the topic. Something about the way he said it that struck me as odd. Not sure what exactly. It doesn’t matter. Synaptic misfire.
Todd
What do you find so curious about it?
I ran into a situation today where someone’s cms site had gone “tits-up”
and was desperate for me to rebuild it on another server, and my thought
was “what about all the content you added after I set up the site?” So, I
think it’s very legitimate to think about content separate from technology
and how to make it enduring while accepting the tech is really temporary.Books (when unburned) can be read hundreds of years after they are
published, while modern recording methods endure much less robustly.
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Lol, don’t read me as soo serious - it’s an interesting article which - for
me - is quite a timely topic.
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I’m not questioning the legitimacy of the topic. Something about the way
he said it that struck me as odd. Not sure what exactly. It doesn’t matter.
Synaptic misfire.Todd
http://xiiro.comWhat do you find so curious about it?
I ran into a situation today where someone’s cms site had gone “tits-up”
and was desperate for me to rebuild it on another server, and my thought
was “what about all the content you added after I set up the site?” So, I
think it’s very legitimate to think about content separate from
technology
and how to make it enduring while accepting the tech is really temporary.Books (when unburned) can be read hundreds of years after they are
published, while modern recording methods endure much less robustly.
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[Laughs] Oh, I’m not.
It’s my ever-more-frequent synaptic misfires that have me wondering. Sometimes the most simple things fail to completely coalesce in my noggin’ while the complex stuff makes perfect sense. [shrugs]
Todd
Lol, don’t read me as soo serious - it’s an interesting article which - for
me - is quite a timely topic.
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But what shall we do with this infos now? It says all and nothing. “Don’t build monoliths …, The features of the CMS don’t matter” - hmm.
It is curious cause exactly yesterday I once again (or even the first time) ran into the “big” question/discussion on how to set up my future cms-strategy.
The point is, that I got the certain feeling of being too short-handed using a “simple” php-based one in a new project. I am used to use WebYep. I have lil’ experience with WordPress.
While the first is so easy to use within Freeway, the second makes me fear, cause I have to leave the track of Freeway (furthermore I don’t understand the logic of WP anyway).
But what is it now, the killer combi?
Yesterday I’ve been toying with the idea of Mojo/ExpressionEngine, the first for the “basics”, the second as the extendable. Or is it EE core I should slide-in?
Or is my beloved module-thinking the correct choice? You know - something like:
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Blogger for blogs
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MailChimp for newsletters
…
Well - maybe not cause this will force a client to handle hundreds of different back-ends.
The point is, that my brain-capacity (and flexibility) is daily decreasing so I haven’t got that much time left to review strategies over and over again. So the “growing CMS” as strategy sounds more than attractive.
Todd - I know you have little experience with Mojo (or at least you played a bit with it). Is it worth to look in? What I would like in this (similar to WebYep):
It’s “InBrowser OnPage editable” without that “backend-ing”.
Glad to get any tipp, pointers and (workbenches).
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Hi Thomas,
I did use MojoMotor for one client project and it worked fine. I do like the way it implements the in-page editing which feels more polished than WebYep while still being easy-to-use. In fact the entire application has a more professional look and feel to it compared to WY. But I don’t think MM has been updated in quite some time which makes me wonder if development has stalled. Also, I’m tempted to say you might be able to do more with WY than MM; I’m not sure how much MM can be extended beyond its core functionality. There were a handful of 3rd Party add-ons but that’s all.
MM is a decent CMS but there are many other in-page CMS around that might be better and more actively developed like, http://www.simplecms.com or http://www.concrete5.org/documentation/editors-guide/in-page-editing/.
Let me know what you decide on, I’m always interested in the in-page approach.
Todd
Todd - I know you have little experience with Mojo (or at least you played a bit with it). Is it worth to look in? What I would like in this (similar to WebYep):
It’s “InBrowser OnPage editable” without that “backend-ing”.
Glad to get any tipp, pointers and (workbenches).
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I was experimenting with in-page editing last week, here’s a tiny demo (doesn’t actually save anywhere, just shows you the JSON that was sent to the server): Editable Page
I’m using the ContentEditable technique that’s built into modern browsers (and even really creaky-old versions of IE – like 5, I think!). Click anywhere you see a yellow highlight while mousing over. There are a few things you can do with the little buttons in the header bar, but they are not perfect (and their interaction is quite strange in places). This is just a toy so far.
Reload the page to revert.
Walter
On May 14, 2013, at 10:14 AM, Todd wrote:
Hi Thomas,
I did use MojoMotor for one client project and it worked fine. I do like the way it implements the in-page editing which feels more polished than WebYep while still being easy-to-use. In fact the entire application has a more professional look and feel to it compared to WY. But I don’t think MM has been updated in quite some time which makes me wonder if development has stalled. Also, I’m tempted to say you might be able to do more with WY than MM; I’m not sure how much MM can be extended beyond its core functionality. There were a handful of 3rd Party add-ons but that’s all.
MM is a decent CMS but there are many other in-page CMS around that might be better and more actively developed like, http://www.simplecms.com or http://www.concrete5.org/documentation/editors-guide/in-page-editing/.
Let me know what you decide on, I’m always interested in the in-page approach.
Todd
http://xiiro.comTodd - I know you have little experience with Mojo (or at least you played a bit with it). Is it worth to look in? What I would like in this (similar to WebYep):
It’s “InBrowser OnPage editable” without that “backend-ing”.
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ExpressionEngine is a nice bit of kit. You may also want to look at MODX Revolution. As I wrote in my post regarding my experience with it (so far) http://xiiro.com/musings/2012/07/04/modx/, one of the bigger and more pleasant surprises was how scalable it is, not just for big sites but for small uncomplicated ones thanks to how hugely customizable it is which is what MODX is about: tailoring it to you and your client’s needs. So, for your client, you can make the back-end as clean and simple as you need to which is a great advantage. Of course it will never be as simple as WebYep, Pulse etc., but it can be surprisingly user-friendly. You can even massage it into a FW workflow,
Tutorial: http://xiiro.com/musings/2013/02/05/modx-freeway/
Demo site: http://xiiro.com/modx-freeway/index.php
Login: <http://xiiro.com/modx-freeway/manager/
Username: Guest
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but admittedly the MODX/Freeway marriage is not without issues and in this regard EE might be a better fit with FW.
In the end MODX Revo, like EE, have a steeper learning curve but they can both work well for less demanding sites which for me is great because being able to scale things back is just as important as scaling things up. It allows for a larger “sweet spot”.
Todd
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That’s nice. Is it part of a bigger project or just for fun?
Todd
I was experimenting with in-page editing last week, here’s a tiny demo (doesn’t actually save anywhere, just shows you the JSON that was sent to the server): Editable Page
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Part of my endless curiosity program, might make it into something larger if I can ever work out the right way to toggle tags. Right now, if you select a list and press the P button, you will wrap the list in a P, which isn’t cricket. If you press the appropriate list button, you will toggle back and forth between list and P. It’s very fiddly and there isn’t the right amount of user feedback. This is more or less how the Barley editor works, except theirs is a HUD tooltip interface rather than a separate bar.
Walter
On May 14, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Todd wrote:
That’s nice. Is it part of a bigger project or just for fun?
Todd
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