The number of questions you have asked over the past few weeks and the quality of the build, design and user experience of your site indicate that you still have much to learn as I think you are aware. Sure we all do. But we should also be aware of out limits and responsibilities.
My eyebrows shot particularly high when I saw you are offering to build web sites which ‘includes all the bells and whistles you would want to promote your business.’ (Eek!). I imagined other professional offering its services with little experience and knowledge - airline pilots, plumbers, doctors, hairdressers, teachers, mechanics - whilst relying on a forum to help them out. Think about it. The consequences may not be so severe in the design world, nevertheless design is also a profession with standards and web design comes with the added hindrance/requirement/challenge/joy of understanding and exploiting HTML/javascript/CSS/IT/databases etc etc …Using Freeway doesn’t altogether free you from this as I am sure you a finding out.
But now there is a request for help with an emarket site. Aside from my view that this is a forum and not a correspondence course I think you should consider if this is the moment to take that task on board. Such sites, if they are to succeed need to be well designed, have excellent content be easy and pleasant to use, secure, have excellent Information architecture, a CMS and SEO… If you do not deliver the client will be brassed off (even if it is for free and that in itself raises the issue of the wisdom/professionalism of working for no fee) and your reputation will be diminished. Word of mouth works in negative ways as well as positive ones. I would hate to think of someone with your energy and chutzpah being grounded.
If your friend really wants to sell goods on the net I would advise her to pay a web-designer with the skills and experience to deliver an e-market site that functions. Meanwhile bury you nose in all the advice everyone on this forum have given you, follow up their leads and look to getting a firmer grip on Freeway on the one hand and effective communication design skills on the other. And if Mal’s still entices you build a test site, follow the freeway manual and ask questions when things go pear shaped.
The number of questions you have asked over the past few weeks and
the quality of the build, design and user experience of your site
indicate that you still have much to learn as I think you are
aware. Sure we all do. But we should also be aware of out limits
and responsibilities.
Thank you so much. You have said exactly what I would have said, had I
not had an empathy bypass at an early age. I also lacked the guts.
Shame on me.
Julie, I think everyone here is eager for you to succeed, and you
should feel that you can ask anything, anytime. But you have to take
Rossignol’s mail to heart and really think about it. But don’t let it
put you off!
I think that alot of my questions I have learned from. And my site has
vastly improved ( I think some forum users will verify this) . And it
will even more when i get to doing the corrections from this group. I
will look at those words on my site and work with them.
Thank you for your input.
Julie
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 1, 2009, at 13:59, Rossignol email@hidden wrote:
Dear swimmer35/Julie
The number of questions you have asked over the past few weeks and
the quality of the build, design and user experience of your site
indicate that you still have much to learn as I think you are
aware. Sure we all do. But we should also be aware of out limits
and responsibilities.
My eyebrows shot particularly high when I saw you are offering to
build web sites which ‘includes all the bells and whistles you
would want to promote your business.’ (Eek!). I imagined other
professional offering its services with little experience and
knowledge - airline pilots, plumbers, doctors, hairdressers,
teachers, mechanics - whilst relying on a forum to help them out.
Think about it. The consequences may not be so severe in the design
world, nevertheless design is also a profession with standards and
web design comes with the added hindrance/requirement/challenge/joy
of understanding and exploiting HTML/javascript/CSS/IT/databases etc
etc …Using Freeway doesn’t altogether free you
from this as I am sure you a finding out.
But now there is a request for help with an emarket site. Aside
from my view that this is a forum and not a correspondence course I
think you should consider if this is the moment to take that task on
board. Such sites, if they are to succeed need to be well designed,
have excellent content be easy and pleasant to use, secure, have
excellent Information architecture, a CMS and SEO… If you do not
deliver the client will be brassed off (even if it is for free and
that in itself raises the issue of the wisdom/professionalism of
working for no fee) and your reputation will be diminished. Word of
mouth works in negative ways as well as positive ones. I would hate
to think of someone with your energy and chutzpah being grounded.
If your friend really wants to sell goods on the net I would advise
her to pay a web-designer with the skills and experience to deliver
an e-market site that functions. Meanwhile bury you nose in all the
advice everyone on this forum have given you, follow up their leads
and look to getting a firmer grip on Freeway on the one hand and
effective communication design skills on the other. And if Mal’s
still entices you build a test site, follow the freeway manual and
ask questions when things go pear shaped.
My questions - how vast in variety they may be is how I learn. I am
sorry that you think that I think it is a correspondence course.
I have been working on different things and I agree I do not have this
mastered, and there are some things that in the manual that were just
not clicking, so if my questions bother you… I apologize. I thought,
even as forum this was a way to learn certain things you could not get
grips on…
Thank you to dave for all of his help with my site and TLC’s site (and
Paul) … no it is not perfect but hell of a vast improvement on what
it was. I like the honesty of this group. thats why I felt I could ask
so many questions.
good day and take care
J:)
On Oct 1, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Julie wrote:
Thank you for your imput.
And yes there is alot to learn.
I think that alot of my questions I have learned from. And my site
has vastly improved ( I think some forum users will verify this) .
And it will even more when i get to doing the corrections from this
group. I will look at those words on my site and work with them.
Thank you for your input.
Julie
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 1, 2009, at 13:59, Rossignol email@hidden wrote:
Dear swimmer35/Julie
The number of questions you have asked over the past few weeks and
the quality of the build, design and user experience of your site
indicate that you still have much to learn as I think you are
aware. Sure we all do. But we should also be aware of out limits
and responsibilities.
My eyebrows shot particularly high when I saw you are offering to
build web sites which ‘includes all the bells and whistles you
would want to promote your business.’ (Eek!). I imagined other
professional offering its services with little experience and
knowledge - airline pilots, plumbers, doctors, hairdressers,
teachers, mechanics - whilst relying on a forum to help them out.
Think about it. The consequences may not be so severe in the
design world, nevertheless design is also a profession with
standards and web design comes with the added hindrance/requirement/
challenge/joy of understanding and exploiting HTML/javascript/CSS/
IT/databases etc etc …Using Freeway doesn’t
altogether free you from this as I am sure you a finding out.
But now there is a request for help with an emarket site. Aside
from my view that this is a forum and not a correspondence course I
think you should consider if this is the moment to take that task
on board. Such sites, if they are to succeed need to be well
designed, have excellent content be easy and pleasant to use,
secure, have excellent Information architecture, a CMS and SEO…
If you do not deliver the client will be brassed off (even if it is
for free and that in itself raises the issue of the wisdom/
professionalism of working for no fee) and your reputation will be
diminished. Word of mouth works in negative ways as well as
positive ones. I would hate to think of someone with your energy
and chutzpah being grounded.
If your friend really wants to sell goods on the net I would
advise her to pay a web-designer with the skills and experience to
deliver an e-market site that functions. Meanwhile bury you nose
in all the advice everyone on this forum have given you, follow up
their leads and look to getting a firmer grip on Freeway on the one
hand and effective communication design skills on the other. And
if Mal’s still entices you build a test site, follow the freeway
manual and ask questions when things go pear shaped.
Tricky one this - whilst agreeing with the sound comments others have made, I also applaud the enthusiasm and the determination of Julie. Really, really admirable. I just wish I still had some of this near reckless imperviousness to problems and apparent barriers. I reckon before long it will be Julie who’s answering the questions, not asking them. Watch this space.
Julie
On Oct 2, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Ian Halstead wrote:
Tricky one this - whilst agreeing with the sound comments others
have made, I also applaud the enthusiasm and the determination of
Julie. Really, really admirable. I just wish I still had some of
this near reckless imperviousness to problems and apparent barriers.
I reckon before long it will be Julie who’s answering the questions,
not asking them. Watch this space.
They are not perfect and I have a lot to learn. I have not had a
chance to make any corrections w the suggestions all made the other
day. I do appreciate all input.
The one site you are looking at is my home site. and it has vastly
improved since I started.
The other sites I am working on are not in question at this time.
In addition, just so you understand, I have mastered a few actions
etc… I am not saying that I will be answering the questions - trust
me so much to learn. But I am learning and understanding. I do
appreciate the ones that see that.
you started someplace right?
Julie
On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:25 PM, JimS wrote:
No Way! Look at the sites in question!
I reckon before long it will be Julie who’s answering the
questions, not asking them. Watch this space.
Ian thank you for the confidence … I hope some day I will be.
Jim - I totally get your thoughts. But this is a growing process…
just because all is not there design etc… does not mean I don’t get
it… I might have learned a new action from ya’ll but decided not to
use it. I am struggling more w design right now then lack of knowledge.
Sorry I responded like i did yesterday.
Cheers to all - Have a great Saturday
Julie
On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:25 PM, JimS wrote:
No Way! Look at the sites in question!
I reckon before long it will be Julie who’s answering the
questions, not asking them. Watch this space.
I think you are dodging the concern I raised which is - With you current level of web building and design skills Is it wise to be offering to build complex web sites for clients? Client wise it is unfair, possibly deceptive. And in the long run it is not going to do you or your reputation any good. Consider your limits and responsibilities. Take it steady. Keep it simple.
There are features and actions a plenty on Freeway to build really good looking sites which are a pleasure to look at and use without covetous glances at flash movies and jumping gifs - most of which are finally irritating and only amusing to teenagers. Even when you have learnt to build sites with all the bells and whistles your client wants ask yourself if any one, other than than the Acme Bells & Whistles Co., actually need them.
I am not dodging your concern. I have. 1st not hat a chance to update
my site… Have not asked ant questions about a site … The question
that was brought up to me regarding the truck building was brought up
a while ago. I still like to see the answers and if I can use them
down the road I will.
The most recient questions are about a print job not a website asking
opinions on a program etc.
Where do get the idea of me dodging… I have really listened and read
the concerns. And agree w them. Like stated I have not had the chance
to put the corrections in place. I am not even working on any sites at
this moment and backed out of the e commerce one
So where are you getting that idea???
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:11, Rossignol email@hidden wrote:
Dear Julie,
I think you are dodging the concern I raised which is - With you
current level of web building and design skills Is it wise to be
offering to build complex web sites for clients? Client wise it is
unfair, possibly deceptive. And in the long run it is not going to
do you or your reputation any good. Consider your limits and
responsibilities. Take it steady. Keep it simple.
There are features and actions a plenty on Freeway to build really
good looking sites which are a pleasure to look at and use without
covetous glances at flash movies and jumping gifs - most of which
are finally irritating and only amusing to teenagers. Even when you
have learnt to build sites with all the bells and whistles your
client wants ask yourself if any one, other than than the Acme Bells
& Whistles Co., actually need them.
And btw I ask questions that may be simple to you… Even qbout pixel
size and program thoughts because I am learning.
Julie
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:11, Rossignol email@hidden wrote:
Dear Julie,
I think you are dodging the concern I raised which is - With you
current level of web building and design skills Is it wise to be
offering to build complex web sites for clients? Client wise it is
unfair, possibly deceptive. And in the long run it is not going to
do you or your reputation any good. Consider your limits and
responsibilities. Take it steady. Keep it simple.
There are features and actions a plenty on Freeway to build really
good looking sites which are a pleasure to look at and use without
covetous glances at flash movies and jumping gifs - most of which
are finally irritating and only amusing to teenagers. Even when you
have learnt to build sites with all the bells and whistles your
client wants ask yourself if any one, other than than the Acme Bells
& Whistles Co., actually need them.
This in the question you were not answering/dodging -
With your current level of web building skills is it wise to be offering to build web sites for clients?
(you make this offer on your site remember?)
Since you now tell us you have pulled out of the e-commerce site I guess you are in agreement with my thinking. It is hard to turn down work but you have to be able to say that certain things are beyond your ability (for the moment)
I am not questioning your willingness to learn which is clearly formidable.
On Oct 6, 2009, at 7:18, Rossignol email@hidden wrote:
This in the question you were not answering/dodging -
With your current level of web building skills is it wise to be
offering to build web sites for clients?
(you make this offer on your site remember?)
Since you now tell us you have pulled out of the e-commerce site I
guess you are in agreement with my thinking. It is hard to turn down
work but you have to be able to say that certain things are beyond
your ability (for the moment)
I am not questioning your willingness to learn which is clearly
formidable.
This in the question you were not answering/dodging -
With your current level of web building skills is it wise to be
offering to build web sites for clients?
(you make this offer on your site remember?)
Since you now tell us you have pulled out of the e-commerce site I
guess you are in agreement with my thinking. It is hard to turn down
work but you have to be able to say that certain things are beyond
your ability (for the moment)
I am not questioning your willingness to learn which is clearly
formidable.
I think you are dodging the concern I raised which is - With you current level of web building and design skills Is it wise to be offering to build complex web sites for clients? Client wise it is unfair, possibly deceptive. And in the long run it is not going to do you or your reputation any good. Consider your limits and responsibilities. Take it steady. Keep it simple.
Sound advice!
And btw I ask questions that may be simple to you… Even qbout pixel size and program thoughts because I am learning.
Hi Julie, I am desperate…the form does not look the same on everyone’s computer. I have never encountered this issue before.
As long as you told the “client” you’re learning on their time too - before taking on their project and impacting their business… otherwise it’s as Rossignol says don’t you think?
Right now I am not offering any complex web sites, yes my website
states that But I am am not “marketing it” at this time.
I have clarified this as telling you that I have bowed out of the
ecommerce. what this email was refering to was a pdf form that I
created and it looks good… it is a hard copy form. not a web form in
the least I uploaded it so with the question I had… people could see
what I was talking about. and mainly , as stated earlier… pleae read
earlier post.
I am not learning on their time… I do know how to do this. I was
having a print issue… even as experts that you are… don;t you guys
have issues once and awhile? I did not ask how to do it … just best
program to use … and problem w the print / fuzzy graphics…
thats what happened to me… I do know how to do a form layout etc…
but I had not done one in pages - I am an old PC user and have not
done one since w a mac except using tables in FW. I did not and will
not charge them for the time. But the problem was a print not a layout
problem.
Geez,
I AM LEARNING!! I KNOW THIS… I AM NOT NOT I repeat offereing any
complex sites right now…
YOu guys are amaizing smart people… but PLEASE stop beating me w a
wooden spoon… I got the point the first email last week and dropped
the ecommerce…
What make you say that I did not listen… god only knows…
On Oct 6, 2009, at 11:11 AM, igirl wrote:
On 6 Oct 2009, 8:11 am, Rossignol wrote:
Dear Julie,
I think you are dodging the concern I raised which is - With you
current level of web building and design skills Is it wise to be
offering to build complex web sites for clients? Client wise it is
unfair, possibly deceptive. And in the long run it is not going to
do you or your reputation any good. Consider your limits and
responsibilities. Take it steady. Keep it simple.
Sound advice!
And btw I ask questions that may be simple to you… Even qbout
pixel size and program thoughts because I am learning.
Hi Julie, I am desperate…the form does not look the same on
everyone’s computer. I have never encountered this issue before.
As long as you told the “client” you’re learning on their time too -
before taking on their project and impacting their business…
otherwise it’s as Rossignol says don’t you think?
sorry for the delay… I had to work on my daughters DC website. (no I
am showing it to you until the board approves it… then I will be
ready for the input )
Julie
On Oct 6, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Keith Martin wrote:
Sometime around 6/10/09 (at 11:38 -0400) julie maxwell allen said:
it is a hard copy form. not a web form in the least I uploaded it
so with the question I had… people could see what I was talking
about.
BTW, how’s that going? Any chance of seeing the actual PDF?
)