difference between "inline" and simple "placing"

Ok, So when do people (when using Freeway) use the inline method, with floats and clears) in an html item as opposed to alligning in the normal visual way?

What advantage does it have to spend so much time getting text and graphics aligned within an HTML item using the “INLINE” method and floating and clearing items; as opposed to achieving exactly the same layout in 1/50th of the time and 3 times more accurately at that?

I can not achieve the same amount of precision between a graphics box and text Using the inline method and then floating items as I can simply placing them using the graphics interface.

I can understand with hand coding that all this needs to be done, and even then I had more accuracy actually, but I am no good at hand coding really.

When I float a graphics box left with a margin to keep the text away, the text does not align precisely with the top of the box, same things happens when I try to align text above the graphic box, the text does not appear accurately in thebrowser when viewed, while in Freeway it appears ok. So when do people (when using Freeway) use the inline method in an html item as opposed to alligning in the normal visual way?


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The main reason for using the inline (box model) method is to avoid the problems that occur of text overflowing and overlapping when the viewer increases the text size in their browser - and remember that PCs tend to render text larger.

Have a look at any pages that you have created using Safari as your browser. Under the View menu Tick the Zoom Text Only option. Then increase the text size using Command+, increase it a couple of times. What happens to your layout?

This is what visitors will see when they visit your site as different viewers use different systems and choose different text display sizes.

The inline method ensures that text boxes expand to fit their content and move others to avoid this.

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Wow. Well dave, thankyou. That is an explanation that I can never remember reading. It makes complete sense now. But how would you judge whether this is likely to happen, is there a sort of approximate mental guide such as: “if I have so much text in such a such close proximity then i need to use the inline method”? Or, well this whole web page has so much white space I will be ok? O are there finer measurements one could go on?

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On 20 Dec 2010, at 10:06, Chris Watts wrote:

But how would you judge whether this is likely to happen, is there a sort of approximate mental guide such as: “if I have so much text in such a such close proximity then i need to use the inline method”? Or, well this whole web page has so much white space I will be ok? O are there finer measurements one could go on?

I’ve found that the best way to think about it is to assume that it will happen anyway and work accordingly, either using the inline technique or the Relative Page Layout action.

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My latest designed required an inline graphic pasted onto a line of text because it was text inside a table cell and would otherwise behave badly if I tried to drop an independent graphic box in there.

Under the View menu Tick the Zoom Text Only option. Then increase the text size using Command+, increase it a couple of times. What happens to your layout?

This is what visitors will see when they visit your site as different viewers use different systems and choose different text display sizes.

This is good to test with - but now begs the question - Is anyone going to see what happens if you use Command - (smaller)? My recent project holds together well under magnification, but falls apart when shrunk. :-/


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If you leave an extra 20% or so “empty space” at the bottom of all
HTML text boxes, then you can safely ignore the cross-browser
differences in stock browsers. The page will probably look slightly
empty or airy on standards-compliant browsers, less so on Windows IE.

But you cannot leave things this way if there is even a shred of a
chance that someone will visit your site who uses a specially-tweaked
browser because they have difficulty seeing. If they crank their fonts
up to “kill”, and your page can’t be read (not, mind you, “appreciated
aesthetically”, I mean actually read and understood) then you have
a legal liability in certain jurisdictions, and a moral one elsewhere.

Walter

On Dec 20, 2010, at 5:06 AM, Chris Watts wrote:

But how would you judge whether this is likely to happen, is there a
sort of approximate mental guide such as: “if I have so much text in
such a such close proximity then i need to use the inline method”?
Or, well this whole web page has so much white space I will be ok?


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Also when using a CMS (content management system) you just don’t know how much content is going to be placed into your design. You have to think of every exception to cover yourself in case the layout falls apart. In this scenario the whole page is usually designed using inline items

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On 20 Dec 2010, at 09:24, Chris Watts wrote:

So when do people (when using Freeway) use the inline method in an html item as opposed to alligning in the normal visual way?


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Yes, I think that if you try and allow for all case scenarios then web pages would not be created. It is still an imperfect environment and CSS is still between teenage and adulthood, so I think then that one should allow for the most common situations and allow everything else to fall, otherwise I’ll never get anywhere.

Having said that I understand now more about the inline and will just have to practise.

By he way Walter - I solved the twin carousel problem from our last conversation. A rather simplistic but extremely effective idea came to me: I made a doubly large carousel, edited the images with plenty of extra space to add stuff on their left hand side. Calculated differing heights for the left hand side of the image to make it appear as if the carousel was smaller on the left than on the right, I then brought a dividing wall (a graphics box) filled with identical colour as the background upon which the carousel sits and hey presto - I have what in effect appears as two independent carousels working in synchronisation.

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Excellent idea!

Walter

On Dec 20, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Chris Watts wrote:

By he way Walter - I solved the twin carousel problem from our last
conversation. A rather simplistic but extremely effective idea came
to me: I made a doubly large carousel, edited the images with
plenty of extra space to add stuff on their left hand side.
Calculated differing heights for the left hand side of the image to
make it appear as if the carousel was smaller on the left than on
the right, I then brought a dividing wall (a graphics box) filled
with identical colour as the background upon which the carousel sits
and hey presto - I have what in effect appears as two independent
carousels working in synchronisation.


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I have what in effect appears as two independent carousels working in synchronisation.

Can we see it in action?

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Hi dave, I had this talk with Walter about not being able to upload anything because I do not have that facility at this moment. I am in the process of editing some of the photos so that I can re-do this idea, ( I only made a dummy run with poor images and useless editing so as to speed up the experiment, but now it works I am doing it properly. But yes, i would find it an honour … if you view it.

I was interested to see another guys post, david Owen, I check out peoples’ websites looking for freebies, no seriously, I really don’t do that. But I see he has a web hosting thing-a-me-jig, I love un-technical phraseology, that is unless I need to impress someone, then you should see me waffle - anyway, I was this evening wondering if I could have a situation where I could have a couple of car parking spaces on his hosting. You know a website for me, couple of websites that I design for others (don’t snigger) and a place where I could upload practise pages or problems for others to see.


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I was this evening wondering if I could have a situation where I could have a couple of car parking spaces on his hosting. You know a website for me, couple of websites that I design for others (don’t snigger) and a place where I could upload practise pages or problems for others to see.

Absolutely - do it!

David does good deals for his excellent hosting and is always happy to help out fellow Freewayers.

At the very least get yourself his Pro-Host package for yourself and at £25pa its only a few pints of Guinness (or whatever your poison)

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Yes, thankyou Dave. I will read his stuff later but probably will not do anything till january since we are off to England for christmas in two days. So will speak with you guys in the new year probably, have a good christmas anyway and enjoy the snow, despite all the gloom and scenarios that the news media likes to treat the weather now as if it is some great 2012 anomaly never seen before since the ice ages!!

Its nature! What do you expect! is what I scream silently at the TV. It’s the stuff off romance and happy children and neighbours snowball fighting, never mind the economics!

Just having a waffle…

kindest regards
Chris.


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