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Fascinating bit of synchronicity here. I am subscribed to the Phonar “open university” of photography, and today’s lecturer covers this issue from an entirely different angle: the remix. http://phonar.covmedia.co.uk/2012/10/mark-mcguire-technologies-and-transformational-experiences/

I can easily argue both sides of this issue. I’m a graduate of RIT in Commercial Photography, I made my living as an advertising photographer for many years, and still do photography for art and pleasure. I’m also no stranger to tilting at windmills, which is what I consider this technical challenge to be. Once photos become bits, they lose some of the natural protection that their original technological base conferred to them. No longer being physical objects, which are reasonably hard to copy well without permission, they move into a new world of multiple instances, like a blob of mercury that you’ve stepped on. Good luck finding all the pieces.

In my opinion, the only way to avoid illegal copying of your work is to not publish it. And that does nobody (including you) any good.

Walter

On Oct 24, 2012, at 7:16 AM, grantsymon wrote:

Speaking as a photographer that earns his living from copyright, I find it depressing that the general attitude seems to be, that it’s impossible to protect copyright, so just give up and allow free use.

It is not impossible to protect copyright, as is being proven by the film and music industries. Making it hard enough to steal, so that only really deliberate thieves will do so, then actively prosecuting those thieves, will eventually bring into public consciousness the fact that someone actually owns the work they are taking.

Think of being in a sweetie shop (candy store) and the owner isn’t there. Just helping yourself to everything you want is not right and we all know that. Copyrighted work on the internet is no different.

I believe that the answer lies with Apple and Microsoft. It would not be very hard for them to implement, at a low-level in the OS, a system to read metadata from jpeg/png/etc. files and disable screen grab for copyrighted work, perhaps popping up a dialog to display the copyright info. This would stop 99.9% of theft.

As for not being able to do anything with a screen-grab, because it’s too small; A full-screen image on a 2560x1440 is good enough for a half page magazine @ 300dpi. Most 4 colour is printed at 150dpi, so you’d get full-page. Thieves probably aren’t overly concerned about best quality, so would happily go to double-page after interpolation. Then there’s all that packaging work. The endless isles of supermarket shelves. A screen-grab from a 750x750 image would probably be fine for much of that.

That’s just from a screen-grab. Photographers usually want to show their work in the best light and today, that means large images. I have a colleague in the US who found her rather excellent landscape work being sold as posters in Russia. She had to considerably lower the size of the images she was using for her website to prevent it. It would be nice if; 1/ attitudes changed. 2/ content creators (photographers in particular) got a little help from Apple and MS.

Grant

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Walter,

there is a universe of difference between ; an artist or creator being ‘inspired’ by a work and using it as a basis or a contributing part of their own work (e.g. the Godard quote) and someone who simply takes an artist/creator’s work, calls it their own, or worse, sells it to someone else, as if it were their own.

I always had a lot of trouble with what happened in the music industry in the 80s, when ‘lifting’ became so popular. The idea of simply taking someone’s work (the stuff they do to pay their bills) and reselling it without so much as a ‘by your leave’ was pretty outrageous. I would have been very miffed if I was Billy Cobham. His playing and originality was out of their reach, so they just steal it and call it their own.

It’s impossible to know how much theft is happening, but I have no doubt that there is plenty that is being done, not for artistic inspiration, but for concrete commercial reasons, i.e., they don’t pay the supplier (artist/creator). If you do nothing to prevent it, why should it stop?

Good luck stopping it? Well, yes it’s a big hill to climb. But one thing is for sure, if you sit at the bottom, looking up in despair, you will never get to the top.

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This whole discussion of “ownership” is just much more complex than
“theft”. The music and film industry want you to believe that artists
starve because you “steal” their work – the fact is the industry has
already “stolen” their work… The truth is very few artists own or control
their own work, and the vast majority never reap the lion’s share of the
revenue it generates.

The music and film industries lose money because they have an outmoded
business model. The oldest business model, so to speak. If they could,
they’d make you pay for every listen and look… they’re not in the business
of inspiring great art. DRM and copyright laws exists to protect the
profits of the industry players, not you.

I want to be loved, and I want to be paid – as I said, it’s very
complicated. Artists are the most vulnerable people I know, and are often
preyed upon in socially tolerable ways. While I do not know the answer, I
do know the problem is more complex than finding a bigger, more powerful
pimp-daddy to protect me.

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Ernie Simpson,
Founding Partner and Creative Director at ImageStation from 1991–2002.
client: RCA / BMG Records, New York Alternative Music Division, 1992–2001.
client: RCA / BMG Records, London Alternative Music Division, 1996–2001.
client: Walt Disney Studios, Print Media Division, 1996–2000.
client: Warner Brothers Entertainment, Print Graphics Division, 1997–2000.
client: Sony Entertainment Group, 1997–2000.

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a system to read metadata from jpeg/png/etc. files and disable screen grab for copyrighted work, perhaps popping up a dialog to display the copyright info.

But if the app ‘viewing’ the artwork/image is not in the foreground then there is a disconnect from the screen capture app.

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Erns,

perhaps as a photographer, I shouldn’t have introduced music into the equation, to which you rapidly added actors. :slight_smile:

Just to be clear … I own ALL my own work.

As the concept of ownership is a legal one, as well as a moral one, I might be add that this is thanks to the strength of laws passed in France to protect my work and my creativity.

Divide and conquer have long been the watchwords of music/film/media executives when it comes to dealing with creative talent. Only occasionally does someone dare to challenge their financial power (commissions/contracts) but when they do it can be encouraging. Sean Connery is probably the best example in the film business. He has successfully sued pretty much every major film company but despite this managed to continue to work for them.

The biggest, in fact the only ‘pimp daddy’ is the law. If there are laws in place, then they can be applied … but putting a lock on the door is a worthwhile practical measure all the same. Right now, there aren’t any locks for photography on the internet. It’s open house. It would be nice if Apple and MS gave us a couple of locks to discourage at least the casual thieves.

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On 24 Oct 2012, 4:08 pm, DeltaDave wrote:

a system to read metadata from jpeg/png/etc. files and disable screen grab for copyrighted work, perhaps popping up a dialog to display the copyright info.

But if the app ‘viewing’ the artwork/image is not in the foreground then there is a disconnect from the screen capture app.

D

Not at all.

I would envisage any area of the computer monitor which is displaying copyright images, be simply blacked, or whited out in a screen grab, or perhaps have a special logo, a bit like the ‘missing plugin’ logo or similar. I would imagine that this would be a relatively simple thing for the OS to do.

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Any news on how we can add text to exhibeo yet?

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I would envisage any area of the computer monitor which is displaying copyright images, be simply blacked, or whited out in a screen grab, or perhaps have a special logo, a bit like the ‘missing plugin’ logo or similar. I would imagine that this would be a relatively simple thing for the OS to do.

My analogy would be that of a photographer viewing a scene - if he can see it then he can take a picture of it. I don’t think it would be possible in the OS for the system to be able to cover/hide an image to prevent this unless the screen capture app, the browser and the OS were integrated - and that is never going to happen.

But the thread digresses and we should probably leave the discussion for another thread and not hijack this one.

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Apple has tried to prevent users from taking screen shots of DVDs played through its own DVD player application for quite a while now. For years the screen capture tool built into the OS just wouldn’t work with a DVD playing. Now I think they give you the screen shot but the DVD area is covered with a chequered pattern. I’d imagine that Apple’s lawyers are sufficiently scared of the film studios suing them that they did something about it.

Obviously as soon as people realised that you couldn’t take a screen shot of a playing DVD a whole range of software solutions appeared to fill the need.
Regards,
Tim.

On 24 Oct 2012, at 17:33, DeltaDave wrote:

I don’t think it would be possible in the OS for the system to be able to cover/hide an image to prevent this unless the screen capture app, the browser and the OS were integrated - and that is never going to happen.

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On 24 Oct 2012, 4:22 pm, Vicki wrote:

Any news on how we can add text to exhibeo yet?

Yep - click the little icon lower right then hover over the thumbnails - see the little icons appear? click the top one

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If there are laws, then use the courts and judges and lawyers… but as one image-maker to another, I think it’s a really bad and impractical idea to make DRM or copy-protection any part of Standards compliance.

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On Oct 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, “grantsymon” email@hidden wrote:

If there are laws in place, then they can be applied … but putting a lock on the door is a worthwhile practical measure all the same. Right now, there aren’t any locks for photography on the internet. It’s open house. It would be nice if Apple and MS gave us a couple of locks to discourage at least the casual thieves.

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Any news on how we can add text to exhibeo yet?

Yep - click the little icon lower right then hover over the thumbnails - see the little icons appear? click the top one

Thank you Justin-- Now my problem is with Bloxx–all the text shows up fine in the app, and exports fine, but all text is missing on the Freeway page. It did work for the Slide option, but not Bloxx. Any ideas for this?

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The only problem I had was with the copying of the text - I was copying and pasting from a webpage - then putting it in. This made the results go crazy (I know, I know but I’m just use to Apps now auto cleaning). If you are doing that then ‘clean off’ the text first before pasting in - also I had to start again from scratch as it wouldn’t forget what I had done.

If this aint the case for you then sorry not sure…

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On 24 Oct 2012, 10:38 pm, Justin Easthall wrote:

The only problem I had was with the copying of the text - I was copying and pasting from a webpage - then putting it in. This made the results go crazy (I know, I know but I’m just use to Apps now auto cleaning). If you are doing that then ‘clean off’ the text first before pasting in - also I had to start again from scratch as it wouldn’t forget what I had done.

If this aint the case for you then sorry not sure…

Thank you, but no, I was entering text from the Exhibeo app itself. It’s strange how it will work on the option “Slide” and not on “Bloxx” Hope it get’s figured out…really want to use Bloxx

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Are you using brackets? There is an update for Exhibeo already concerning a bug about brackets - my last guess!

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Hi Vicki,

Could you send your Bloxx xbExport file into support(a)softpress.com, please?

Joe

On 24 Oct 2012, at 23:48, Vicki email@hidden wrote:

On 24 Oct 2012, 10:38 pm, Justin Easthall wrote:

The only problem I had was with the copying of the text - I was copying and pasting from a webpage - then putting it in. This made the results go crazy (I know, I know but I’m just use to Apps now auto cleaning). If you are doing that then ‘clean off’ the text first before pasting in - also I had to start again from scratch as it wouldn’t forget what I had done.

If this aint the case for you then sorry not sure…

Thank you, but no, I was entering text from the Exhibeo app itself. It’s strange how it will work on the option “Slide” and not on “Bloxx” Hope it get’s figured out…really want to use Bloxx

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At 12:20 -0400 24/10/12, grantsymon wrote:

I would envisage any area of the computer monitor which is
displaying copyright images, be simply blacked, or whited out in a
screen grab, or perhaps have a special logo, a bit like the ‘missing
plugin’ logo or similar. I would imagine that this would be a
relatively simple thing for the OS to do.

When people say it can’t be done it’s because it really can’t be
done. You don’t even need a computer with a graphics screen to steal
images. They’re too deeply built in to the underlying concepts of
HTML.

David

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On 25 Oct 2012, 8:45 am, David Ledger wrote:

When people say it can’t be done it’s because it really can’t be
done. You don’t even need a computer with a graphics screen to steal
images. They’re too deeply built in to the underlying concepts of
HTML.

Anyone who has watched Goldfinger knows you will never stop a determined thief. :slight_smile: But you can stop a lot of not-so-determined thieves by putting locks and bolts on the doors and windows. I doubt that even .001% of frequent internet users would know how to recover an image from their computer’s html cache and on the Mac, as we move inexorably towards iOS’ification, it is becoming more and more obscured. For example, since 10.8, most people never ever see their library folder.

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I doubt that even .001% of frequent internet users would know how to recover an image from their computer’s html cache and on the Mac, as we move inexorably towards iOS’ification, it is becoming more and more obscured. For example, since 10.8, most people never ever see their library folder.

Maybe but there are a lot more Windoze users out there.

You have to face the facts - if there was a reliable and effective way of doing it someone would be making money from selling that method to photographers etc. like you.

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I was just checking all the Exhibeo examples in IE9. Naturally, the transition effects don’t work. The slides do advance, but no fades or any other transition effects, just a snap to the next image. Just sayin’, in case that’s important to anyone. I also checked it on my Android phone and it looks good.

Andy, your howlingbasset.com site is beautiful.

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