I can’t put a fill in a text box. All the controls apply to the path or text
colour only. I wanted to put a text block over an imported graphic and give
it a white background but I had to put a white rectangle behind it. Am I
missing something?
Also, how can you resize a text block without squashing/stretching the text?
In every other Mac program I’ve used you can drag the selection handles to
resize the text block and the text wraps accordingly. Again, am I missing
something?
On each text box, on the right side, midway between the center resize handle and the lower right resize handle, there is a tiny right-facing triangle. Dragging this triangle sets the ‘wrap width’ of the text block. This changes the way lines of text wrap within the block.
From Intaglio > Help > Intaglio Help, search for ‘word wrap’ and you’ll find:
“Line Wrap Width is the typographical width (in points) of the text block for purposes of text flow. In other words, when the text in the block in broken into multiple lines, the width of each line will be no more than this value. The line wrap width applies to entire text blocks and determines the placement of centered and justfied text. If the “Wrap Lines To Width” check box isn’t checked in the text attribute inspector, the text won’t wrap from one line to the next, so it will only use a single line. This value can also be set interactively with the triangle shaped handle on the text block when it is selected.”
The on-line ‘Help’ is a very good source of info. It’s helped me a lot.
On each text box, on the right side, midway between the center
resize handle and the lower right resize handle, there is a tiny
right-facing triangle. Dragging this triangle sets the ‘wrap width’
of the text block. This changes the way lines of text wrap within
the block.
From Intaglio > Help > Intaglio Help, search for ‘word wrap’ and
you’ll find:
“Line Wrap Width is the typographical width (in points) of the text
block for purposes of text flow. In other words, when the text in
the block in broken into multiple lines, the width of each line
will be no more than this value. The line wrap width applies to
entire text blocks and determines the placement of centered and
justfied text. If the “Wrap Lines To Width” check box isn’t checked
in the text attribute inspector, the text won’t wrap from one line
to the next, so it will only use a single line. This value can also
be set interactively with the triangle shaped handle on the text
block when it is selected.”
The on-line ‘Help’ is a very good source of info. It’s helped me a
lot.
I agree and that’s how I learned to use Intaglio but the organization
is a bit idiosyncratic. Again, it seems to me that this could be a
collective labor of love and the tools are there. I would not dream
to give a second of my time to Adobe but Intaglio is entirely another
matter.
I agree and that’s how I learned to use Intaglio but the
organization is a bit idiosyncratic. Again, it seems to me that this
could be a collective labor of love and the tools are there. I would
not dream to give a second of my time to Adobe but Intaglio is
entirely another matter.
Agree wholeheartedly. I doubt I’d have anything to offer but would
more than happy to donate in any way I could.
I agree and that’s how I learned to use Intaglio but the
organization is a bit idiosyncratic. Again, it seems to me that
this could be a collective labor of love and the tools are there.
I would not dream to give a second of my time to Adobe but
Intaglio is entirely another matter.
Agree wholeheartedly. I doubt I’d have anything to offer but would
more than happy to donate in any way I could.
I am no expert either but I don’t think that this would be needed in
a first stage.
The way I see things is:
Get an idea of how many people would be willing to give a bit of
their time. I don’t think that there would have to be many but people
would want to know what they are getting into.
Some kind of organization of the documentation (doc), call it
“table of contents” (toc), would have to be arrived at. To an extent,
this could probably be done on this list but it would have to be
thought about and discussed a good deal:
a) Such an organization ought to remain stable throughout the
development of the project and also to allow as much as possible for
further evolution of Intaglio.
b) The extent to which the toc should be flexible ought to be
decided. For instance: Should the toc be organized strictly in terms
of the Intaglio tools. Should the toc be arranged in terms of various
types of projects such as cad, illustration, etc. Should the toc be
arranged according to the sophistication of the user?
c) Could the topics simply be stored in a data base which could then
be viewed in various ways to be decided later on?
In short, what would be the “engine” underlying the toc? In any case,
this would probably be the most difficult part of the project.
Some “cutting up” of the toc ought to be arrived at so that people
don’t have to commit to a big chunk of time. Better commit to two
small pieces and make it than to one big piece and not make it.
Decide of the ownership of the future documentation. My own view
is that it would have to be under a GNU Free Documentation License to
make any sense. If nothing else, it would take care of any problem
that might otherwise arise in terms of localization.
A not entirely unrelated issue would be to know what Purgatory’s
intentions are regarding the ownership of Intaglio in the long run,
that is after Purgatory should, for one reason or the other, lose
interest in Intaglio. Let me explain.
a) It is a bit like a prenuptial agreement specifying how things are
to be in case of a divorce. What such an agreement does is to arrange
things before they get hot should they ever get hot. It does not
imply in any way they will get hot. It also alleviates certain concerns.
b) Is there any chance whatsoever that Intaglio might one day become
Open Source.
c) What would be the relationship between Intaglio and any such
project. In particular, how much of the existing help could be used
in the project. But also, what would the relationship be in the long
run.
Get a source version control system going somewhere. I think that
this might at first be unnecessary but would rapidly become so.
Decide what “language” would be used to develop the doc. (Here I
really have no idea of what I am talking about.)
In other words, before any actual work can be started, I think that,
one way or the other, most if not all of the above would have to be
discussed.
Sigh.
But after that, the first part of the job might simply be to transfer
to the appropriate places of the project the already existing help
with possibly minor improvements.
I’d also suggest that entries be “reviewed,” not only by Intaglio
experts but by beginners as well. Having once or twice participated in
writing and editing manuals, I’ve come to understand that there’s no
one like a complete neophyte to point out basic omissions/mistakes
that are subject to expert eye-glide.
I’d also suggest that entries be “reviewed,” not only by Intaglio
experts but by beginners as well.
You are absolutely right. (I remember the days, not that long ago,
when I first started in LaTeX. The docs, they were awful.)
Having once or twice participated in writing and editing manuals,
I’ve come to understand that there’s no one like a complete
neophyte to point out basic omissions/mistakes that are subject to
expert eye-glide.
In fact, that is exactly the point of an svn: like in a wiki,
everybody can make revisions but the svn keeps track of all of them.
Get an idea of how many people would be willing to give a bit of
their time. I don’t think that there would have to be many but people
would want to know what they are getting into.
I’d be happy to give a bit of my time. I’m no Intaglio expert because I
only do simple things with it but I’ll try to contribute.
Many people had previously and have since provided similar support. Then
with the arrival of the iphone and the huge number of new cocoa
programmers this created, apple’s examples and documentation improved
dramatically, as have two of their major systems development tools:
XCode and Interface Builder. That together with the examples to be found
on the web has made learning new aspects of the system far easier than
before, e.g. I recently had to learn about various aspects of
NSTableView and this took me just over two weeks as opposed to the two
months I think it would have taken previously. Thus this
“individualistic” approach definitely has things to recommend it, most
especially that an immediate start is possible for anyone who has a
website.
A cocoa wiki was once suggested and I keep coming across bits of it but
a quick google failed to retrieve it on a first page of results.
Nevertheless a wiki type approach might well work, e.g. as a location
where we might post bits of advice or solutions to problems we have
encountered as our learning progresses. Also, as I seem to recall
someone saying earlier, this discussion group is a great resource.
Before i sign off let me mention that there has come into existence a
site which to my eyes appears to be a singularly good model for what one
might wish to do here and might indeed provide the venue for just such a
job.
A cocoa wiki was once suggested and I keep coming across bits of it
but
a quick google failed to retrieve it on a first page of results.
Nevertheless a wiki type approach might well work, e.g. as a location
where we might post bits of advice or solutions to problems we have
encountered as our learning progresses. Also, as I seem to recall
someone saying earlier, this discussion group is a great resource.
Indeed, I think that a wiki comes with a lot less overhead. On the
other hand, the problem with Intaglio’s documentation is mostly a
matter of finding what one needs because it is generally there
somewhere and, since I know nothing about wikis, I have no idea
whether a wiki would help in that regard.
Thanks to Frank and nalarider. Both problems are solved, though somewhat
hard to find and, for text wrapping, definitely non-intuitive in what is
otherwise a very intuitive application.
I am not sure but this look like a forum to me. What did I miss?
I’m not sure what the difference might be except that as I said this
site has become increasingly useful and supports the insertion of
images. I made contact with them over the weekend and got the reply
which I forward as my next posting.
Julius
