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Kinda surprised there was no reaction to my post at the end of the “alternative” thread, so I decided to post again here.

Ever since I heard this news I’ve been searching for an alternative. I think I may have found one. What is especially interesting about the one I’ve found is that it can open the sites we’ve created in Freeway. I’ve found one YouTube video that lays it out pretty well. It’s about 20 minutes long and the first 16 minutes are worth paying attention to. The application is Flux 6. Requires El Captain. Have a look at the video. Flux V Web Design App for Mac: Review - YouTube

And here’s the site for the Application. http://www.theescapers.com/product.php?product=flux Free download.

Looking forward to what you all think of this.

http://www.theescapers.com/product.php?product=flux


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Flux has from time to time been mentioned on FWT over the years. Most recently on this “alternative” thread by myself and others.

I suppose if you want or need a combination of WYSIWYG and code editor then Flux has a decent feature-set. But my biggest complaint is the UI which I find visually overwhelming. But that’s me. Plus it’s frequently included in those various discount software bundles which makes me question its future.

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Kinda surprised there was no reaction to my post at the end of the “alternative” thread, so I decided to post again here.


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Kinda surprised there was no reaction to my post at the end of the “alternative” thread, so I decided to post again here.

As Todd says - Flux has been mentioned in various threads before.

it’s frequently included in those various discount software bundles

It certainly is - I think I originally bought it through one of those bundles as Flux 2 or 3 but never used it in anger.

Flux 6 was again offered in a bundle recently which I bought for less than $40

Must admit I didn’t realise that it could open existing “projects” - rather than individual html pages.

However I think PineGrow does a better job of that.

I should have another go with it now I have their latest version but it is always daunting when you have to learn another app. Especially as FW7 still works fine.

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On 31 Aug 2016, 8:46 pm, DeltaDave wrote:

Especially as FW7 still works fine.

Dave, have you tried it in macOS Sierra? Hmmm


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Dave, have you tried it in macOS Sierra? Hmmm

Nope

I am not an early adopter preferring to ensure that a new OS is stable before I commit mission critical work/apps to it.

Once Sierra is out in the wild I can decide whether I want to take the leap.

So let us know what you find - others have suggested that FW works fine with it?

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I still don’t want to break the NDA as I have mentioned on occasions previously, but let’s say my experience has not been good.


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Freeway already collapses on Sierra? Wow.


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Hi Iain,

On 31 Aug 2016, at 22:35, Iain Mackenzie email@hidden wrote:

I still don’t want to break the NDA as I have mentioned on occasions previously, but let’s say my experience has not been good.

You’ve hinted previously that you have a problem with file dialogs. This is something that we saw happen in El Capitan betas, but the problems were mostly resolved in the final version. What I suggest you do is to see if you have the same problem with other Carbon applications (TextWrangler or BBEdit for example) and report it as a bug to Apple if that is the case. That’s what I did last time round.

If the problem is unique to Freeway, send me a bug report with steps to reproduce. It is possible that there will be bug-fix updates to Freeway in future.

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Will do, Jeremy. Good to hear that there will be bug fixes in future!

I didn’t have any issues at all during the El Capitan beta phase, however.


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Just tried BBEdit. No problems to report there in the file dialogue windows.


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On 1 Sep 2016, at 13:25, Iain Mackenzie email@hidden wrote:

Just tried BBEdit. No problems to report there in the file dialogue windows.

Try switching to different directories, including the directory you use with Freeway.

My experience with El Capitan betas was that the crashes were a bit random - you had to keep switching before they would happen. But they happened in TextWrangler as well as Freeway.

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At least the price is more affordable for learning a new program. But as someone already said, Freeway still works so I shouldn’t panic. Right?


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Well, one thing is for sure, and that is if you stick to El Capitan whether native or in a VM, then you should be OK.


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Obviously at some point I’ll have to find another program., but I’m about to launch 2 new big sites (on FW of course, haha). What I want to know is do you think that Freeway 7 will still be usable for a few months, appreciating there will be no new developments in the for future for it. If I know I can make alterations etc to current FW sites ON MY CURRENT FW 7 over the next few months while I find an alternative would be a REALLY big load off my mind!


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Flux looks interesting. This is a response I got from them when I asked (it took them about 5 mins)

Just download the demo from www.theescapers.com/flux, load it, and drag your exported website onto the icon.

Flux supports responsive design using Skeleton or Bootstrap, you can use others if you want, but Flux has built-in support for those two.

I was sorry to read about Softpress, it’s pretty tough at the moment as an independent software developer…

Best,

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On 6 Sep 2016, 2:29 am, Dave Boli wrote:

What I want to know is do you think that Freeway 7 will still be usable for a few months, appreciating there will be no new developments in the for future for it.

As per the rest of the thread, your only guarantee is to run it in El Capitan in a VM on future versions of macOS.


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For anyone who’s interested in an alternative for FW Pro:

after questioning Cazoobi LTD, manufacturer of Blocs, will offer you a

15% discount for Freeway users, for a limited time.
See: http://blocsapp.com/

Send a mail to email@hidden , mention their offer and you will
receive a one-time, non transmissible individual discount code when
purchasing Blocsapp.

Blocs is update to Version 2.2. and has now also several options for CMS
included.

Andries

2016-09-06 10:25 GMT+02:00 Iain Mackenzie email@hidden:

On 6 Sep 2016, 2:29 am, Dave Boli wrote:

What I want to know is do you think that Freeway 7 will still be usable
for a few months, appreciating there will be no new developments in the for
future for it.

As per the rest of the thread, your only guarantee is to run it in El
Capitan in a VM on future versions of macOS.


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If the mailadress in my last post should get obfuscated…

support at blocsapp dot com…

better written down this way?

Andries

2016-09-12 13:27 GMT+02:00 email@hidden:

For anyone who’s interested in an alternative for FW Pro:

after questioning Cazoobi LTD, manufacturer of Blocs, will offer you a

15% discount for Freeway users, for a limited time.
See: http://blocsapp.com/

Send a mail to email@hidden , mention their offer and you will
receive a one-time, non transmissible individual discount code when
purchasing Blocsapp.

Blocs is update to Version 2.2. and has now also several options for CMS
included.

Andries

2016-09-06 10:25 GMT+02:00 Iain Mackenzie email@hidden:

On 6 Sep 2016, 2:29 am, Dave Boli wrote:

What I want to know is do you think that Freeway 7 will still be usable
for a few months, appreciating there will be no new developments in the for
future for it.

As per the rest of the thread, your only guarantee is to run it in El
Capitan in a VM on future versions of macOS.


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I was a little confused by the announcement of Coffeecup’s Bootstrap
Sitebuilder.

I own already Responsive Layout Manager, RSD -Responsive Site Designer,
Foundation Framer, all meant to design and build responsive sites. Now
there is the announcement of Bootstrap Sitebuilder. I wondered, is it a
standalone builder for only Bootstrap frames, next to RSD and FF? Or meant
to be used solely with RSD (bootstrap based)? Will there be also an
Foundation Sitebuilder in the near future?

What can I do more with Bootstrap Sitebuilder, when FF is still in beta and
was announced as a better alternative to RSD which is based on a Coffeecup
grid, based on Bootstrap?

I asked Coffeecup and Suzanne Norvell cleared up my thoughts. Here’s her
answer…

===

A modern, responsive website starts with a flexible framework. A responsive
framework is what allows a website to grow and shrink based on the viewer’s
screen size. There are many options available for designers so we took the
most popular options and made them easy for everyone to use. Which one to
pick? Picking a framework is like choosing a wine. One isn’t necessarily
better than the other. They’re all awesome. It all just depends on your
personal preference. Our website design apps currently include:

Responsive Site Designer (RSD)
Foundation Framer (FF) – now out of beta! yay!
and the brand new Bootstrap Builder (BB) beta
https://www.coffeecup.com/bootstrap-builder/

All three of these apps have an almost identical front-end workflow.
However, they use different backend frameworks to construct the web page
markup.

RSD uses our own in-house framework with our signature drag-n-drop workflow
for building sites. This same code-free interface has also been magically
applied to FF and BB. However, on the backend, FF is specifically targeted
for people who want to make sites using Zurb’s Foundation 6 Framework.
While BB incorporates the popular Bootstrap 3 and 4 alpha frameworks.

People really dig Foundation Framer and Bootstrap Builder because they
offer a set standard of CSS classes and attributes that streamline the
design process. These two apps also offer unique abilities like a unit
switcher, symbols for global content updates, and built-in interactive
components for navigation, slideshows, toggles, and much more.

Another big difference is the mobile-first workflow with FF and BB. This
means you will start your projects for smaller screens first and work your
way towards the largest screen size. Designing with this technique really
helps you examine your content and focus on what is most important.
Alternatively, RSD not only lets you build mobile-first, but also lets you
choose to build design desktop-down which some people find easier to work
with.

The three of these responsive apps are all code-free, with the code
generated for you automatically on the back end. If you plan to do any
manually tweaking to the code like to configure the site with a backend
system, you can export the code to your computer and open it with any code
editor.

At the end of the day, each one is pretty awesome and makes outstanding
websites. You really can’t go wrong with either one. Plus, as they offer
similar workflows, if you have a client that wants a specific framework to
be used, the learning curve is minimal if you need to jump from bootstrap
to foundation. Learn more about how our responsive apps compare at
Which app is right for you

Want more nitty-gritty details comparing Bootstrap to Foundation?
Here are some helpful articles:

Bootstrap vs Foundation – Top 2 CSS Frameworks

Should You Use Bootstrap or Foundation?

All three apps will be continued by our CC team. We have more upgrades
coming across the board! And you can use all of your existing enhancement
apps like Form Builder, Slider – even third party scripts - across our
design apps.
You can add that kind of stuff to RSD, but you would be using extra scripts
and such to get the same thing.

I would say, if you’re willing to give yourself a few days to learn the
software, like you don’t have a fast approaching project deadline, then
Foundation Framer would be the best way to go.

====

I hope the above was interesting enough to get more clearance in your minds.

Andries

2016-09-12 18:40 GMT+02:00 email@hidden:

If the mailadress in my last post should get obfuscated…

support at blocsapp dot com…

better written down this way?

Andries

2016-09-12 13:27 GMT+02:00 email@hidden:

For anyone who’s interested in an alternative for FW Pro:

after questioning Cazoobi LTD, manufacturer of Blocs, will offer you a

15% discount for Freeway users, for a limited time.
See: http://blocsapp.com/

Send a mail to email@hidden , mention their offer and you will
receive a one-time, non transmissible individual discount code when
purchasing Blocsapp.

Blocs is update to Version 2.2. and has now also several options for CMS
included.

Andries

2016-09-06 10:25 GMT+02:00 Iain Mackenzie email@hidden:

On 6 Sep 2016, 2:29 am, Dave Boli wrote:

What I want to know is do you think that Freeway 7 will still be
usable for a few months, appreciating there will be no new developments in
the for future for it.

As per the rest of the thread, your only guarantee is to run it in El
Capitan in a VM on future versions of macOS.


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Hello, I tested for a month this promising new software Nicepage Website Builder (@nicepage_website_builder) • Instagram photos and videos

Not bad at all while waiting for Freeway 8 :slight_smile:


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