jeez, just lost two hours of work.
i know i should save, but come on, no autosaving when it crashes or any sort of retrieval?
ugh, sorry just venting - this is really frustrating.
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Sometime around 10/1/09 (at 08:40 -0500) ibnK said:
i know i should save, but come on, no autosaving
The only kind of application that suits auto-save features is one
that deals with relatively small document file sizes.
Site documents can get large and take more than just a second or so
to save. My document for http://www.panoramaphotographer.com/ takes
18 seconds to save and the Freeway document is 61MB, and I have site
documents that go way past the 100MB mark. An auto-save feature would
be such a PITA that I would turn it off sharpish - and I suspect
anyone else would too once they realised what was happening.
I would like it to save faster, but I know there’s a lot of data to
manage. I avoid using many very high-res source images (this can bulk
up the document size) - but I do save pretty regularly. Murphy’s law
means that I haven’t had a Freeway crash since… oh, before 2008 at
least. But I still save out of a habit built up from a couple of
decades of experience with apps of all kinds.
Freeway does create a backup copy of your site document when you open
it up. It doesn’t update this each time you save; this is the
document as it was before you started the latest round of edits. It
is worth remembering this - and the fact that it is made when the
document is opened - in case you ever need to return to the last
major stage of a document.
But what you need to do is develop the command-s habit. Seriously!
This isn’t a Freeway-specific comment, this goes across the board.
Save.
Finally, though, I do sympathise. Losing any kind of work after
putting serious time into it is a deeply frustrating and demotivating
experience.
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I said:
Freeway does create a backup copy of your site document when you open it up.
Doh! My absent-minded mistake: this backup is created the first time
you save after opening (or creating) a document. Not when you simply
open it up.
Sorry!
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It’s November 2010 — almost two years after the original post in this thread. I’m adding my complaint here because, like the original poster, I just lost several hours of work. I was redefining a style and Freeway Pro 5.5 crashed. When I reopened, I discovered everything I’d done since last night was gone.
I understand thatkeith’s point that auto-save is not well-suited to very complex documents. I understand it, but I am not sure I agree with it. The more complex the document, the more important saving is — and the more painful it is when work is lost. An auto-save feature that could be configured to run every N minutes could be controlled by users. If they found 10 minute intervals too intrusive, they could change it to 20 or 30.
At a minimum, it would be awfully nice if Freeway could automatically REMIND me when I’m working that I should save. Back in the 1980s, when I started using Macs, I was in the habit of hitting Cmd-S constantly. But as we enter the second decade of the twenty-first century, I use almost no applications that require me to save changes automatically. More and more of my work is done online, and none of my online apps require me to save manually. Google Docs, for example, saves automatically. But even the desktop apps I use most often (some of which are quite complex) save automatically for me.
Again, I can understand that this is technically difficult. But in that case, I would strongly suggest that Softpress code an automatic reminder into the app.
Will
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Command-Z isn’t always predictable either, and sometimes it doesn’t do anything.
I usually experiment a lot, so I probably wouldn’t use Auto Save.
I know 3D applications have auto save and multiple undo. Can’t get much more complicated than a 3D program.
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Will,
Sorry but I couldn’t disagree more. If you really want auto save consider picking up QuicKeys. For me, revert has saved my bacon more times than I can remember (especially since we only have one undo).
Not to say I have never lost work in a crash, but putting training wheels on my Harley is not the answer.
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Solutions,
I think we both have completely legitimate concerns here. You would like to be able to revert to some previously saved point. I’d like to be able to feel secure as I work that a crash that I cannot anticipate is not going to (again) wipe out hours and hours of work.
The solution to my problem HAS to be either autosave or at least an automatic, periodic reminder that I haven’t saved in 30 (60, 90) minutes. If it’s just a reminder, then no harm done. I can choose to save or not, depending on how lucky I’m feeling.
The right answer to YOUR particular concern, I think, is or ought to be something different. I don’t imagine Softpress could very easily program an undo feature that roll back hours of work. So I would think the solution would be for YOU to save your entire site whenever you would like to establish a roll-back point. I’ve done that for years in some other programs.
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Will,
As long as it is optional I don’t have a problem with it. But IMHO, I think there are a lot more important things Softpress needs to address before babysitting users.
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Pressing Command+S isn’t hard to do, really. Working for 2+ hours without doing any kind of save - automatic or otherwise - is asking for trouble.
As with any application - save early, save often.
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