I'm really starting to hate the box model!

I’ve only worked on the home page and screenshot page so why does FW think they’ve all been modified?

Freeway does play this sort of thing very conservatively; if it thinks there’s any possible reason to update a page it will. That is, of course, better than it not updating something!

Have you changed the name of either of those pages? If so, any pages that contain links to the changed page will need to be updated too.

You might be running into issues that relate to your box model (mis-named but hey-ho) construction. But I’m afraid I really don’t know; I avoid working that was unless I really cannot avoid it; it is just plain unfriendly.

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Oh dear, if Keith doesn’t know, I’m not sure I will, but I’m up to the challenge. How big is the FW doc?


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Keith,

Nope, no name changes.

I’m very far from being an expert in FW (hence the mis-naming) but I’m experienced enough to know when something isn’t quite right. And when restarting FW/Safari appears to have solved a fair few of the preview problems I’ve had in the past, I do start to wonder if there’s something amiss somewhere - I don’t mean necessarily with FW, but possibly a font conflict or something else in conjunction with my machine. I may be the only person having these problems but then again I do have a fair few software packages running at the same time which ‘might’ (I’m no expert) cause these issues.


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Derek, a zipped file containing the doc and resources etc is 1Mb.


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Cool. Can you post it all as a link from the test page?


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Done - link on home page.

And yet again, all I did was add the link, and the whole site had to be rebuilt!


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Hi Neil

Odd. The cure, or at least part of the cure, was changing the way the background color of your 4 divs is displayed. You had it set as a graphic effect, and I changed so that it’s now set from the pop-up menu at the top of the Inspector’s Appearance settings. I have no idea as to why this has solved the problem!

There’s still one div not displaying at the top. I’m afraid I haven’t been able to sort that out—gotta go have dinner—but I think you may be able to take care of that. You can download my modified FW doc here:

Let me know how it goes.

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Neil, for security reasons, I pulled the link down. Try changing the bkgd color as I explained and see if it works for you.

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Thanks Derek

That has sorted the problem with the latter 3 products, but I’m unable to get the 1st one to reappear. I think I’ll try tackling it again tomorrow and rebuild the 1st one.

Thanks again for your help

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Hi Neil,
I’ve taken the liberty of creating a box model/ inline item version of
your page in a hope of providing at least one method of doing this.
The sample page and Freeway document download is here;
http://freewayactions.com/test/mite/

The key is to think about containers and how they float or align
within their parent item. I’ve also changed the nav bar to use the CSS
Menus action as it does away with the graphics you needed which, in
turn, should make the page a bit more accessible.
Feel free to take the bits you want and ask questions if something
doesn’t make sense.
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…and I’ve just realized that the text for the last product (Redtop
flycatchers) is the same as the one for Smite Organic. I’ll leave this
as a project for the reader. :wink:
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Thank you very much for that Tim.

I’ve just been dissecting what you’ve done and have a question. As you’ve done it, the central product text is of a fixed height, so when the browser point size is increased, the text gets truncated. If I set the height to variable, the text block (and its colour) increases in depth but the background colour from the images either side don’t. I had placed all 3 of these items into another same-coloured container that would increase at the same time. I don’t want to get back to the same position I was in yesterday by experimenting, so could you please tell me how this result would be achieved ‘properly’.

Thanks

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You could remove the height of the box so it collapses to the text height.

Then click on the box and open the extended panel (alt-command-x) and add in to

min-height : 100px

This will fix the height of the box to 100px when seen in modern browsers ~ but grow if the text grows

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On 24 Mar 2010, at 09:38, neil.west1 wrote:

Thank you very much for that Tim.

I’ve just been dissecting what you’ve done and have a question. As you’ve done it, the central product text is of a fixed height, so when the browser point size is increased, the text gets truncated. If I set the height to variable, the text block (and its colour) increases in depth but the background colour from the images either side don’t. I had placed all 3 of these items into another same-coloured container that would increase at the same time. I don’t want to get back to the same position I was in yesterday by experimenting, so could you please tell me how this result would be achieved ‘properly’.

Thanks

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Thanks David, I’d often wondered in there was a way to do that. But that’s not the solution to this problem. Currently the text box expands downwards taking its background colour with it, but the images to either side don’t - giving a staggered bottom edge. I can guess how to fix the problem by pasting the 3 html items into a single coloured container, but I’m loathe to do it following yesterday’s problems, and I’d like someone to tell me the ‘proper’ way to do it.

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Hi Neil,
Here’s a revised (and somewhat simplified) layout that should do the
trick.
http://www.freewayactions.com/test/mite/

If I had larger images (the mites, the chicken and the fly) then these
would slide under the surrounding structure when the text was scaled.
As it is if you scale the page up you see the edges of the images.
Regards,
Tim.

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Thanks David, I’d often wondered in there was a way to do that. But
that’s not the solution to this problem. Currently the text box
expands downwards taking its background colour with it, but the
images to either side don’t - giving a staggered bottom edge. I can
guess how to fix the problem by pasting the 3 html items into a
single coloured container, but I’m loathe to do it following
yesterday’s problems, and I’d like someone to tell me the ‘proper’
way to do it.

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Thank you Tim, that’s excellent!

Now 2 final(?) questions:

If you look at the home page http://www.smite-a-mite.com/test/index.html. You will notice a difference in colour on the redtop reds. I’ve got both the .png and the FW colour set to be exactly the same (both rgb and hex) and yet they’re viewing differently. I used the .png you created but dropped a better version of the logo onto it - only the logo though, not the background red! Any ideas why this would happen?

Secondly, in the previous version, I had the graphic text boxes holding the logos specified as links. Currently I’m not able to do this, so only the text heading for each product can be a link. Is there something else I can do to make more (or all) of each product area into a link?

Thanks again

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Hi Neil,

On 24 Mar 2010, at 14:27, neil.west1 wrote:

If you look at the home page http://www.smite-a-mite.com/test/index.html
. You will notice a difference in colour on the redtop reds. I’ve
got both the .png and the FW colour set to be exactly the same (both
rgb and hex) and yet they’re viewing differently. I used the .png
you created but dropped a better version of the logo onto it - only
the logo though, not the background red! Any ideas why this would
happen?
I suspect this is because I ended up making those graphics from the
ones embedded in your original Freeway document. If you’d had the
document graphics set to thousands of colors in the Document Setup
dialog then the images I exported would have been of a lower quality
than the originals and the colors would have shifted. Replace the
images for your originals and the colors should match again.

Secondly, in the previous version, I had the graphic text boxes
holding the logos specified as links. Currently I’m not able to do
this, so only the text heading for each product can be a link. Is
there something else I can do to make more (or all) of each product
area into a link?
Double-click on each of the boxes that hold the logos and select
Graphic Item from the Insert menu. Use the Inspector palette to change
the output type to GIF and size the box to fit the container. With the
clear GIF selected choose Hyperlink from the Edit menu and assign the
image a link.
repeat this process for the remaining three logos.

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Thanks Tim

The graphic items sorted the lack of links. And for your information, the colour differences were down to profiles. Opening mine and your files in Photoshop showed that they had different profiles assigned to them. I applied my profile to your file and the colour corrected.

Thanks again.

Neil


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