Joomla and FW

Good Afternoon,

I have 2 clients that want a store in their website - but as a back page - not right up front as most e-commerce (zen-cart) etc do.

I know one can do Mal’s - only 6-10 products but the other has 70 + products. (I would like the larger to manage her own products)

It has been recommended offline by someone to use joomla.

I would like to hear your opinions about this and how are those actions working to incorporate FW and Joomla.

Thank you again for your help

Julie


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Julie can I strongly recommend that you do not start trying to learn something else like Joomla until you are better acquainted with the tools that you are using already.

but as a back page

Not quites sure what you mean by this

Most of the off the shelf carts will let your client do the updating themselves and with just 70+ products that is no big deal.

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Dave
I understand. What I meant was she wants it to look and feel like a
normal site… Click on store to get there. Not to have the products
up front.
CAN you recommend one ?

J

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Julie can I strongly recommend that you do not start trying to learn
something else like Joomla until you are better acquainted with the
tools that you are using already.

but as a back page

Not quites sure what you mean by this

Most of the off the shelf carts will let your client do the updating
themselves and with just 70+ products that is no big deal.

David


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All of the store systems can be set up in a subfolder, rather than
serving as a home page. Just because the example on their marketing
site dumps you immediately on the store doesn’t mean you have to use
it that way. I’m speaking of ZenCart or FishCart SQL here.

Joomla is a general-purpose magazine/portal/dynamic site toolkit. It
can host plug-ins that create a store, but it is not a store unto
itself, and it’s not the first thing I would reach for when building
one. Unlike many or all of the store scripts, you will need to have
Joomla host your entire site, home to finish. It is extremely hard to
merge static content within a Joomla-controlled site.

Walter

On Feb 16, 2010, at 7:34 AM, Julie wrote:

Dave
I understand. What I meant was she wants it to look and feel like a
normal site… Click on store to get there. Not to have the products
up front.
CAN you recommend one ?

J

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On Feb 16, 2010, at 5:14, DeltaDave email@hidden wrote:

Julie can I strongly recommend that you do not start trying to
learn something else like Joomla until you are better acquainted
with the tools that you are using already.

but as a back page

Not quites sure what you mean by this

Most of the off the shelf carts will let your client do the
updating themselves and with just 70+ products that is no big deal.

David


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Thank you Walter,

Can you recommend one that has multi options like bulk ordering and you can customize somewhat easily and that would work well in the subfolder?

On Feb 16, 2010, at 7:56 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

All of the store systems can be set up in a subfolder, rather than serving as a home page. Just because the example on their marketing site dumps you immediately on the store doesn’t mean you have to use it that way. I’m speaking of ZenCart or FishCart SQL here.

Joomla is a general-purpose magazine/portal/dynamic site toolkit. It can host plug-ins that create a store, but it is not a store unto itself, and it’s not the first thing I would reach for when building one. Unlike many or all of the store scripts, you will need to have Joomla host your entire site, home to finish. It is extremely hard to merge static content within a Joomla-controlled site.

Walter

On Feb 16, 2010, at 7:34 AM, Julie wrote:

Dave
I understand. What I meant was she wants it to look and feel like a normal site… Click on store to get there. Not to have the products up front.
CAN you recommend one ?

J

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 16, 2010, at 5:14, DeltaDave email@hidden wrote:

Julie can I strongly recommend that you do not start trying to learn something else like Joomla until you are better acquainted with the tools that you are using already.

but as a back page

Not quites sure what you mean by this

Most of the off the shelf carts will let your client do the updating themselves and with just 70+ products that is no big deal.

David


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I can’t recommend any of them unless you buy a stack of fat books and
get busy on your CS degree. I haven’t encountered one of them that
didn’t make you get out and push from time to time, particularly if
you want them to look like anything other than the bundled templates.
And the trouble with getting out and pushing at this level is that
these systems expect you to have the degree of skill needed to write
the thing from scratch in the first place. They’re written by geeks,
for geeks.

The easiest one to work with would be the Mal’s Ecommerce system
bundled with Freeway. If you run off the edge of what the bundled
Actions can do, then you might want to try Tim Plumb’s Actions
instead. The Freeway Shop Actions are a cut-down version of Tim’s
Actions, so things you find you cannot do with training wheels on
might be possible without. There are add-on scripts available for
Mal’s that allow the client to manage the stockroom without Freeway,
too.

Walter

On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Julie Maxwell wrote:

Thank you Walter,

Can you recommend one that has multi options like bulk ordering and
you can customize somewhat easily and that would work well in the
subfolder?

On Feb 16, 2010, at 7:56 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

All of the store systems can be set up in a subfolder, rather than
serving as a home page. Just because the example on their marketing
site dumps you immediately on the store doesn’t mean you have to
use it that way. I’m speaking of ZenCart or FishCart SQL here.

Joomla is a general-purpose magazine/portal/dynamic site toolkit.
It can host plug-ins that create a store, but it is not a store
unto itself, and it’s not the first thing I would reach for when
building one. Unlike many or all of the store scripts, you will
need to have Joomla host your entire site, home to finish. It is
extremely hard to merge static content within a Joomla-controlled
site.

Walter

On Feb 16, 2010, at 7:34 AM, Julie wrote:

Dave
I understand. What I meant was she wants it to look and feel like
a normal site… Click on store to get there. Not to have the
products up front.
CAN you recommend one ?

J

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 16, 2010, at 5:14, DeltaDave email@hidden wrote:

Julie can I strongly recommend that you do not start trying to
learn something else like Joomla until you are better acquainted
with the tools that you are using already.

but as a back page

Not quites sure what you mean by this

Most of the off the shelf carts will let your client do the
updating themselves and with just 70+ products that is no big deal.

David


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Walter
That is what I have been experiencing - when I did a zen cart site - i think I lost 1/2 my hair from pulling it. LOL

I like Mal’s - There are add on scripts to allow the clients to manage the stock?? That is great news - That is why I have not used it before - I have a few clients that would rather go with Mal’s if they can manage the stock.

where do I find them or are they part of Tims actions?

I just ran across this ecommerce built to go into websites:

I would like to hear your opinion about this too:

Thank you

J

On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

I can’t recommend any of them unless you buy a stack of fat books and get busy on your CS degree. I haven’t encountered one of them that didn’t make you get out and push from time to time, particularly if you want them to look like anything other than the bundled templates. And the trouble with getting out and pushing at this level is that these systems expect you to have the degree of skill needed to write the thing from scratch in the first place. They’re written by geeks, for geeks.

The easiest one to work with would be the Mal’s Ecommerce system bundled with Freeway. If you run off the edge of what the bundled Actions can do, then you might want to try Tim Plumb’s Actions instead. The Freeway Shop Actions are a cut-down version of Tim’s Actions, so things you find you cannot do with training wheels on might be possible without. There are add-on scripts available for Mal’s that allow the client to manage the stockroom without Freeway, too.

Walter

On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Julie Maxwell wrote:

Thank you Walter,

Can you recommend one that has multi options like bulk ordering and you can customize somewhat easily and that would work well in the subfolder?

On Feb 16, 2010, at 7:56 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

All of the store systems can be set up in a subfolder, rather than serving as a home page. Just because the example on their marketing site dumps you immediately on the store doesn’t mean you have to use it that way. I’m speaking of ZenCart or FishCart SQL here.

Joomla is a general-purpose magazine/portal/dynamic site toolkit. It can host plug-ins that create a store, but it is not a store unto itself, and it’s not the first thing I would reach for when building one. Unlike many or all of the store scripts, you will need to have Joomla host your entire site, home to finish. It is extremely hard to merge static content within a Joomla-controlled site.

Walter

On Feb 16, 2010, at 7:34 AM, Julie wrote:

Dave
I understand. What I meant was she wants it to look and feel like a normal site… Click on store to get there. Not to have the products up front.
CAN you recommend one ?

J

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 16, 2010, at 5:14, DeltaDave email@hidden wrote:

Julie can I strongly recommend that you do not start trying to learn something else like Joomla until you are better acquainted with the tools that you are using already.

but as a back page

Not quites sure what you mean by this

Most of the off the shelf carts will let your client do the updating themselves and with just 70+ products that is no big deal.

David


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This looks a lot like FoxyCart (and a certain amount like Mal’s). It
doesn’t do any content management for you, just the cart and checkout
process. So you’d still have to figure out how you were going to put
the stock in the store, manage stock levels, etc. by yourself. Maybe
if you shave your head first… :sunglasses:

Walter

On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Julie Maxwell wrote:

I would like to hear your opinion about this too:

http://www.ecwid.com/

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LOL

I Really think I want to go w mals. and I will buy the suite of actions.
Where can I find the script to add so the client can manage the product line? I did not see anything mentioned in the actions docmentation about that.

THat info about mals just made my day

J
On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

This looks a lot like FoxyCart (and a certain amount like Mal’s). It doesn’t do any content management for you, just the cart and checkout process. So you’d still have to figure out how you were going to put the stock in the store, manage stock levels, etc. by yourself. Maybe if you shave your head first… :sunglasses:

Walter

On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Julie Maxwell wrote:

I would like to hear your opinion about this too:

http://www.ecwid.com/

Thank you


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Have a look on the Mal’s site. I am pretty sure you have to sign up
for a higher level of service from them in order to use it. I haven’t
used it myself, but I recall others on this list talking about it.

Walter

On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Julie Maxwell wrote:

LOL

I Really think I want to go w mals. and I will buy the suite of
actions.
Where can I find the script to add so the client can manage the
product line? I did not see anything mentioned in the actions
docmentation about that.

THat info about mals just made my day

J
On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

This looks a lot like FoxyCart (and a certain amount like Mal’s).
It doesn’t do any content management for you, just the cart and
checkout process. So you’d still have to figure out how you were
going to put the stock in the store, manage stock levels, etc. by
yourself. Maybe if you shave your head first… :sunglasses:

Walter

On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Julie Maxwell wrote:

I would like to hear your opinion about this too:

http://www.ecwid.com/

Thank you


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Thank you I will.

I will post what I find for others.

J
On Feb 16, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Have a look on the Mal’s site. I am pretty sure you have to sign up for a higher level of service from them in order to use it. I haven’t used it myself, but I recall others on this list talking about it.

Walter

On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Julie Maxwell wrote:

LOL

I Really think I want to go w mals. and I will buy the suite of actions.
Where can I find the script to add so the client can manage the product line? I did not see anything mentioned in the actions docmentation about that.

THat info about mals just made my day

J
On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

This looks a lot like FoxyCart (and a certain amount like Mal’s). It doesn’t do any content management for you, just the cart and checkout process. So you’d still have to figure out how you were going to put the stock in the store, manage stock levels, etc. by yourself. Maybe if you shave your head first… :sunglasses:

Walter

On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Julie Maxwell wrote:

I would like to hear your opinion about this too:

http://www.ecwid.com/

Thank you


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I just got an email from Mal,

it can not be done.

BUt I saw on an older thread about option cart w mals…

Thank you

J
On Feb 16, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

Have a look on the Mal’s site. I am pretty sure you have to sign up for a higher level of service from them in order to use it. I haven’t used it myself, but I recall others on this list talking about it.

Walter

On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Julie Maxwell wrote:

LOL

I Really think I want to go w mals. and I will buy the suite of actions.
Where can I find the script to add so the client can manage the product line? I did not see anything mentioned in the actions docmentation about that.

THat info about mals just made my day

J
On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

This looks a lot like FoxyCart (and a certain amount like Mal’s). It doesn’t do any content management for you, just the cart and checkout process. So you’d still have to figure out how you were going to put the stock in the store, manage stock levels, etc. by yourself. Maybe if you shave your head first… :sunglasses:

Walter

On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Julie Maxwell wrote:

I would like to hear your opinion about this too:

http://www.ecwid.com/

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Hi Julie,
I did do a few zencart carts and not all of them as cart or main site. I do my zencarts ( now total 5 of wich 3 in a freeway site and 1 as a showroom with a fw site) All my zencarts have the same look as the website!
No i’m no geek, more dumb as geek. i have asked walt’s help more than anybody here over the years.

You can place a zencart in a subfolder, you can change a lot in the code ( yes it’s php, but i don’t know much about it and i do just fine)
(i use coda and its marvelous! but for css the css edit ( for small editing with cyberduck)

iff you want i am more than happy to help you, but i do agree, that if you have a not so big shop, you might be better of with the csm Webyep ( Max’s suite) and Mals!
when the shop is big, i (personaly) would go for zencart, but it does take time, when you have the time… it is fun to learn and do.

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Eugenie,

The only problem I have w mals is that the client can not maintain the product. And per max - webyep and mals do not mix - unless you know something else- i would love to learn it.

I did one zen cart site - and I think i pulled 1/2 my hair out doing it. LOL I am not good at code either.

Can i see a link of the combo please - I am interested.

Thank you for your info

Julie
On Feb 17, 2010, at 3:06 PM, eus wrote:

Hi Julie,
I did do a few zencart carts and not all of them as cart or main site. I do my zencarts ( now total 5 of wich 3 in a freeway site and 1 as a showroom with a fw site) All my zencarts have the same look as the website!
No i’m no geek, more dumb as geek. i have asked walt’s help more than anybody here over the years.

You can place a zencart in a subfolder, you can change a lot in the code ( yes it’s php, but i don’t know much about it and i do just fine)
(i use coda and its marvelous! but for css the css edit ( for small editing with cyberduck)

iff you want i am more than happy to help you, but i do agree, that if you have a not so big shop, you might be better of with the csm Webyep ( Max’s suite) and Mals!
when the shop is big, i (personaly) would go for zencart, but it does take time, when you have the time… it is fun to learn and do.

Eugenie


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hi julie, could you pm me on email@hidden
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sorry, forgot that that is hidden. stupid.
my email in my contact :slight_smile:


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