Leading and styles

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I just upgraded to 5.2 Pro. I am an amateur doing my wife’s website. Everything was fine in FW4. When I went to 5.2 I decided to try to “do things the right way” and create CSS menus, styles, etc. I love the ease of the CSS menus but I am having some other troubles:

  1. The leading on my layout page looks the way I want it, but on preview and uploaded it is squished too close together. It use to work. Why is the leading on “Page” so different than “Preview”?

  2. Is there a way to apply a leading style (or my basic type style) to the master page so I can change these all at once? I tried but it didn’t work.

  3. Because I imported the site from FW4, when I go to the styles menu I have over 400 styles listed which I never set. Can I get rid of them all at once, or do I have to delete them one at a time? Oy.

Thanks for any help on this.

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Here’s some help hopefully:

  1. Are you using % or em’s or px (pixels) for your leading set? I’d recommend using px as it seems to work better.

  2. I just posted a screencast video “[VID][ANN] CSS Body Tag” where I talk about setting up a default font style. You can apply a site-wide leading by moving your leading style to the “p” tag in your CSS palette. Then any text that get’s added in will have the same leading. However this is site wide, so if you want specific areas to have different leading then you’d have to set specific styles to those.

  3. Well 400 is a lot and you’re going to have to go get a comb and comb through the styles until you can narrow it down to what you need and what you can combine and make individual styles.

Good luck.

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Remember that if you click on the cog in the styles palette you have the option to show Permanent styles Only or Temporary styles

Make your freqently used styles permanent and then you can hide the others.

David

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Dan, Thank you for your screencast. It helped me understand how to do the body tags. That and the discussion thread “can’t assign the p tag” really helped me understand both much better. I changed the p style leading for the whole document and only had to re-format a couple of pages. Thanks.

David, thanks for the cog tip. That helps when I want to assign styles, but when I “edit styles” I have to scroll through all 400 styles. I’d love to be able to get rid of all but my permanent styles. Any thoughts?

Mark

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Sometime around 29/8/08 (at 16:50 -0400) Mark Horowitz said:

I’d love to be able to get rid of all but my permanent styles. Any thoughts?

Why not just hide the temporary ones? Click the cog menu icon in the
Styles palette and shoose Permanent Styles Only. The temporary styles
(ones that haven’t been set to hang around, so only live while
they’re in use somewhere) will still be there, but they won’t be in
your way.

k

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K,
I have done what you suggest, but when I go to “edit styles” to change one of the permanent ones, I have to scroll through all of the permanent and temp ones. In the styles palette though, only the permanent ones show. I want to get rid of the temp ones in the “edit styles” menu. I’ve hidden the temp ones in the palette. Sorry to be such a dunce.
Mark

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Sometime around 29/8/08 (at 22:58 -0400) Mark Horowitz said:

I have done what you suggest, but when I go to “edit styles” to
change one of the permanent ones, I have to scroll through all of
the permanent and temp ones. In the styles palette though, only the
permanent ones show.

Ahh, okay - I didn’t realise that you really wanted to eliminate
those styles. It will take some work, so think to yourself how many
times you need to edit styles and balance that with how long this
process will take.

(BTW, you can just right-click (control-click) a permanent style in
the Styles list and choose to edit it from there without having to
scroll through all the temporary ones in the main Edit Styles list.
Anyway…)

You’ll have to figure out which bits of text use those styles and
then apply new styles to them or delete the unwanted style, replacing
it with a wanted one instead.

If you right-click (control-click) one of those styles and choose to
delete it, you’ll be asked what style should replace it. You can pick
the No Style option or any other style in your list. The trouble is,
you really need to know what you’re going to affect by doing this!

Choose to edit the style rather than delete it out of hand, and you
can see what settings it has. If it is a graphic style then consider
renaming it to keep it out of the way in the list but not deleting
it. If it is a regular HTML style and you’re not sure where
throughout your site it is used, try this process:

1: Publish your document so all the pages in the Site panel are
‘clean’; they don’t have bullets next to them indicating unpublished
changes.

2: Go back into the Edit Style dialog and make a really obvious
change to the style in question. Setting the character colour to red
or green is often a good choice.

3: Click OK. Now every page that has text that uses this style will
be marked ‘dirty’ in the Site panel.

4: Take a look to see what text uses this style. You can either
reformat the text directly until there is no more text that uses it -
in which case the temporary style will simply disappear - or you can
delete the style and replace it with another, knowing exactly what
will be affected and what to use as the replacement.

5: Save, repeat.

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I don’t think that’s possible to hide them in the “Edit Styles” area because it shows them all by default. Sounds like you got quite a project in your hands. I’ve never had a site that had over 75 styles to it, so 400 must be unreal.

I’m just going to put it out there but this could be a very frustrating project and it’s not because of your experience with the program, but the way the “Edit Styles” menu is setup in that it’s hard to compare and contrast styles. It very well could be more work then putting the site together in the first place. However Freeway is great at keeping your styles linked together so you won’t have to reapply styles that often.

So there’s plenty of give and take. Good luck.

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At 05:32 -0400 30/8/08, Dan J wrote:

I don’t think that’s possible to hide them in the “Edit Styles” area
because it shows them all by default. Sounds like you got quite a
project in your hands. I’ve never had a site that had over 75
styles to it, so 400 must be unreal.

I’m just going to put it out there but this could be a very
frustrating project and it’s not because of your experience with the
program, but the way the “Edit Styles” menu is setup in that it’s
hard to compare and contrast styles. It very well could be more
work then putting the site together in the first place. However
Freeway is great at keeping your styles linked together so you won’t
have to reapply styles that often.

If you’re really trying to control your styles you never want to use
a style that you havn’t already defined (unless you want to define it
now). FW could help in this by having an option to raise a
warning when a new temporary style is about to be created and allow
an existing one to be chosen.

David

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Thank you all. You have definitely convinced me to live with the long temp styles list!! I’m not sure how they got there, but I think they got created automatically in FW 4 whenever I assigned attributes. Since I am only working with one site, it is not worth the effort to change. I am however getting the hang of permanent styles given all of your threads on this site. Thanks!
Mark

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