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On 4 Aug 2008, 10:50 am, hugh wrote:
I worked under OS8 and OS9 for years. They were relatively simple and relatively stable. Sure they fell over several times a day,

Reminds me of my treasured A0 parallel motion drawing board used for paste up and visuals, used it for years, simple, very familiar, very stable, never fell over, its was screwed to the desk!

Totally useless for me now - nostalgic yes, but glad I moved on.


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Talking about nostalgia for earlier systems, have you seen this? See how far we’ve come!!

http://myoldmac.net/webse-e-flash.htm


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Talking about nostalgia for earlier systems, have you seen this? See how far we’ve come!!

Hi WW,

Thanks for posting this link! Very interesting. Really takes me back to the first time I used a Mac. In this example some of the apps still work; it shows the immense improvements in user interface since then.

Jim


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No Hugh, I didn’t mean that at all, and you seem to realise that in
your first sentence. You seem to wilfully misunderstand me.

Sorry not to reply earlier, but Paul, I would NEVER wilfully misunderstand you. I just don’t understand the aphorism you mentioned - I’ve never heard it before and I didn’t understand what it meant.

You’re making my case for me here. You used OS 8 and 9 for years, and
it took you a good proportion of that time to get as accustomed to
it as you were. It did for me. It didn’t happen overnight. Remember
that version (8.01 I think) where you had to boot without extensions
on just so you could apply a patch that enabled the Adobe ATM you’d
just installed to run at all? These were all things, times a dozen or
so, that we all learned as we went on with it. We needed the
experience of years to get a handle on all that stuff.
OS X doesn’t fall over, it’s enormously stable. If yours does, you
have local problems of some sort. I think we probably established that
a while back in any case?
So basically you’re saying that you don’t have time to fix problems
that have been caused by you trying to run OS X on a machine out of
the ark with insufficient RAM, with software that, in some cases, came
‘preinstalled’ and the provenance of which your are unsure of. Because
you have more rewarding investments.

I’m disappointed to hear that my machine is ‘out of the ark’…:frowning: Just reinforces my cartel argument, I feel. I don’t remember the OS8 version you’re talking about, I’m afraid…as I mentioned, I’m not THAT interested! And I really don’t see what’s wrong with pre-installed software - I don’t want to get paranoid about people spiking my drinks, life wouldn’t be worth living! It’s all just 1s and 0s, after all!

You don’t need to spend more money, you have OS X already. Just a bit
of time to get the gremlins out of your machine, then get to know OS X.

But Paul, you’ve just said my machine is ‘out of the ark’! And if that doesn’t suggest getting the wallet out I don’t know what does! Yet it is, after all, the very same machine that you had (or still have?) and which runs Tiger!

Anyway, we are going to differ on all this it seems, and we’re straying from the original post about Mail. Not fixed but Thunderbird and Firefox working fine!

best regards,

Hugh


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On 6 Aug 2008, at 13:23, hugh wrote:

Sorry not to reply earlier, but Paul, I would NEVER wilfully
misunderstand you. I just don’t understand the aphorism you
mentioned - I’ve never heard it before and I didn’t understand what
it meant.

Sorry Hugh, I felt sure you’d know and appreciate the meaning of this
one; it’s been around on the Web for years, and is the usual answer to
people who say ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’. That original phrase
has itself been around for years but originally applied to things like
tractors or machinery of some sort, and in that context, it’s a great
saying and one I like a lot, and agree with. But it doesn’t fit very
well with computers. With, say, a tractor, if it works, it works, and
you get the field ploughed. The tractor is unlikely to get much better
over time, and advances in tractor production happen relatively
slowly. A five year old tractor is unlikely to be much worse than a
current one. With computers though, when your one year old machine is
already out of date, if you apply the aphorism ‘if it ain’t broke,
don’t fix it’ then I think it’s legitimate to say ‘if it aint’ broke
(as far as you’re concerned, that is) then you haven’t been paying
attention. I’m thinking here of your claim not to be that interested
in the technology to spend that much time thinking about it, that you
have more important things to do. My point, in turn, is that were you
to spend a little time just acquainting yourself with recent advances
such as OS X, (I’m stretching ‘recent’ here :slight_smile: you’d end up with a
lot more spare time to spend on those things that you considered, in
your last post, ‘better investments’.
Hence my reference to ‘working smart’ which you seemed to find so
abhorrent; I didn’t mean anything sinister, I just meant the kind of
thing you do when, if you need a whole pageful of thumbnails in
Freeway, you don’t make each one ‘by hand’ and then align each one to
its neighbour, you make one, duplicate it across so you have a row,
then duplicate the row downwards so you have a block. That’s ‘working
smart’. You can use OS X like that except it works not just in one
way, but all over the place; everything you do becomes simpler,
although I’m aware that that hasn’t been your experience.
The net result of all this is not kudos for being savvy, but simply
more time with your family, or fishing, or whatever you do.

I’m disappointed to hear that my machine is ‘out of the ark’

I doubt that you’d argue that is isn’t though?

( Just reinforces my cartel argument

There is no cartel. There is just the opportunity to buy new stuff if
you want to. Nobody’s making you, but you will lose out if you
don’t, although that is a choice you have. And are taking, it seems -
just look at all the trouble you’re having!

, I feel. I don’t remember the OS8 version you’re talking about, I’m
afraid…as I mentioned, I’m not THAT interested! And I really don’t
see what’s wrong with pre-installed software - I don’t want to get
paranoid about people spiking my drinks, life wouldn’t be worth
living! It’s all just 1s and 0s, after all!

But don’t I remember that you were having trouble with installations
and things working originally? Many applications won’t work properly
if you just drag over the application itself. They have other support
bits in different folders elsewhere on your machine that have to come
across as well. Photoshop is a case in point. I’d never dream of
dragging Photoshop over from one machine to the other, I’d do a clean
reinstall of it on the machine I wanted it on, but you can’t do that
because you don’t have the disks. That’s what’s wrong with
preinstalled software. Also, is it licensed? What if you want to
upgrade, or will you use the same version for evermore because ‘it
ain’t broke’?
You’d also have got more of a ‘feel’ of OS X is you’d installed it
yourself.

But Paul, you’ve just said my machine is ‘out of the ark’! And if
that doesn’t suggest getting the wallet out I don’t know what does!
Yet it is, after all, the very same machine that you had (or still
have?) and which runs Tiger!

Yes it is! But mine runs Tiger perfectly, and if I put Leopard on it,
it’d run that perfectly too. Yours doesn’t. But get the wallet out
anyway, not for your ‘cartel’ but for yourself. You’re the one it will
benefit. Oh, Apple too of course, but they’re in business, they aren’t
breaking any laws by trying to get you to upgrade. They’ll only get
your money, and that’s nothing compared to what you’ll get.

Anyway, we are going to differ on all this it seems, and we’re
straying from the original post about Mail. Not fixed but
Thunderbird and Firefox working fine!

But Hugh, Mail isn’t broken …

best wishes,

Paul Bradforth

http://www.paulbradforth.com


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I’m disappointed to hear that my machine is ‘out of the ark’

I doubt that you’d argue that is isn’t though?

I certainly would argue!! It may have been superceded by new models but it’s not ‘out of the ark’ in my book. It will be carrying me through the next year or so, anyway.

As for wanting to upgrade software, I can assure you that I have virtually no desires in that direction. I was perfectly happy (still am as it happens) with Freeway 3 and Photoshop 5.

best regards

Hugh


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On 7 Aug 2008, at 01:40, hugh wrote:

I certainly would argue!! It may have been superceded by new models
but it’s not ‘out of the ark’ in my book. It will be carrying me
through the next year or so, anyway.

As for wanting to upgrade software, I can assure you that I have
virtually no desires in that direction. I was perfectly happy (still
am as it happens) with Freeway 3 and Photoshop 5.

Ah well, it’s definitely time for me to bow out of this discussion,
although I’ll still attempt to help out with specific problems if need
be.

best wishes,

Paul Bradforth

http://www.paulbradforth.com


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