Here’s one for Nick, but if anyone else knows the answer, please chime in.
What does the feature ‘PDF For Editing’ do? When Intaglio opens a PDF, editing is straightforward—just Ungroup and delete the grey boxes that appear. All the objects can then be modified. Any ideas?
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Ian hi,
On 28 Oct 2008, at 19:07, IanB wrote:
Here’s one for Nick, but if anyone else knows the answer, please chime in.
What does the feature ‘PDF For Editing’ do? When Intaglio opens a PDF, editing is straightforward—just Ungroup and delete the grey boxes that appear. All the objects can then be modified. Any ideas?
I checked this out with a non Intaglio pdf someone sent me.
http://juliuspaintings.co.uk/intaglio/HealthConference.pdf
When I open it with Intaglio the Object->Ungroup menu item is faded out.
If I then do Object->Convert->PDF For Editing the image becomes ungrouped
So I guess the answer is that Ungroup does not work on all PDFs.
all the best
Julius
Hi Ian and Julius
now try this : save your converted file as pdf and open it again with
intaglio : it is no more editable, but you can convert it again into
pdf for editing ! etc.
jacques
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This is just an educated guess, I’ve not conducted any experiments.
I have noticed, either in Freehand or Illustrator, that you can save as a PDF or as an editable PDF. Presumably an editable PDF has extra information saved, e.g. text blocks, but may not be compatible with older versions of Acrobat. Canvas gives the option of saving as text blocks or as exact character placement.
So, back to Intaglio, given that there are different types of PDF out there, some can be edited directly, others need conversion so that they can be edited. This may involve some guesswork and perhaps getting some things wrong, so that if you just want to place a PDF in an image, leave well alone unless you need to change it and you don’t have access to the native file.
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Max hi,
On 29 Oct 2008, at 07:43, Max Roberts wrote:
This is just an educated guess, I’ve not conducted any experiments.
I have noticed, either in Freehand or Illustrator, that you can save as a PDF or as an editable PDF. Presumably an editable PDF has extra information saved, e.g. text blocks, but may not be compatible with older versions of Acrobat. Canvas gives the option of saving as text blocks or as exact character placement.
So, back to Intaglio, given that there are different types of PDF out there,
I’ve just googled “editable PDF” for a quick look.
Like you say many appear to refer to by this term are text files with form fields for people to fill in, e.g.
http://www.grafikart.com/pdf/edit.htm
http://roobaroo.net/2006/06/30/create-an-editable-pdf-document/
and others also refer to the ability to edit the graphics, e.g.
http://digital-vector-maps.com/
The ability to generate an editable PDF appears to consist of nothing more than enabling a flag e.g.
http://www.acrobatusers.com/forums/aucbb/viewtopic.php?id=2650
I just downloaded an example pdf form
http://www.sfu.ca/vpresearch/ethics/applications/sample_forms.html
I cannot open it using appleworks or my current version of word.
I downloaded Adobe Reader. 9.0.0 and having stopped it from making itself my preferred pdf reader. (Preview on mac opens instantly without the fuss) discovered that the form is set so as to prevent one being able to fill it in.
Time is pressing so I cannot pursue further.
However the example opens in Intaglio if you check the “ignore errors” box (problems with the colour) and gives access to all the text boxes etc.
Bravo Intaglio!
some can be edited directly, others need conversion so that they can be edited. This may involve some guesswork and perhaps getting some things wrong, so that if you just want to place a PDF in an image, leave well alone unless you need to change it and you don’t have access to the native file.
I just saved the above file from Intaglio and opened it up in Adobe Reader.
There are changes of font size, bold and the text boxes look different.
Got to run
all the best
Julius
Thanks for the feedback. Intaglio opened the PDFs linked above plus some program manuals and product descriptions downloaded from the web. There were a few minor problems—in two of the files, English text turned into Chinese, which couldn’t be edited—but the same PDFs opened correctly in Preview and when they were copied and pasted into Intaglio, they could be Ungrouped and edited. As Julius said; ‘Bravo Intaglio!’.
However, none of these PDFs could be converted with the ‘PDF For Editing’ command, because it was always greyed. I tried Jacque’s suggestion to save opened files as a PDF, but ‘PDF For Editing’ was greyed.
Max’ suggestion about different types of PDF seems to be the most logical explanation. ‘PDF For Editing’ only applies to certain files—but which PDFs is a mystery.
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You should be able to use “Convert PDF For Editing” on any PDF object you’ve imported. Select the one object and look at the object type at the bottom of the window (next to the horizontal scrollbar) to make sure it’s PDF.
However, PDF allows text to be encoded in standard ways or in some other ways that can’t really be converted back to editable character codes. For example, it’s possible to store part of a font in the PDF (which is nice if the recipient doesn’t have the font) and then refer to characters of text by their index in this new font subset. Since the characters may be listed in any order it’s not always possible to figure out what they originally were, although it’s still possible to draw the PDF image since you just draw the character being pointed at.
If the app that created the PDF was helpful Intaglio should be able to figure out which characters are which, but it’s also possible that information was lost when the file was written.
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Hey Guys:
Your advice is generous and timely, but I don’t understand a lot of it. Maybe if you knew the problem I am trying to solve you could better direct me.
I am applying to graduate schools. They have websites with their application forms available for download, which, if in my hand in hard copy, cannot be filled out effectively because I do not have a typewriter. Who does?
On the other hand, the forms don’t convert to a Word Doc format on my laptop. (I run Word for Mac 2003.)
My goal is to fill out the forms, paste in docs like my resume and personal goals, print and send it in by snail mail.
No can do without a doc with which I can work, right? I am informed that PDF specifically PREVENTS doing what I am trying to do, however logical it might seem.
In other words, does the grad school’s website vendor, in an effort to protect the material, also prevent my filling out the very form they are presenting to me?
Let me know.
best,
will
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Subject: Re: PDF For Editing
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Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:20 PM
Ian hi,
On 28 Oct 2008, at 19:07, IanB wrote:Here’s one for Nick, but if anyone else knows the
answer, please chime in.What does the feature ‘PDF For Editing’ do? When
Intaglio opens a PDF, editing is straightforward—just
Ungroup and delete the grey boxes that appear. All the
objects can then be modified. Any ideas?
I checked this out with a non Intaglio pdf someone sent me.http://juliuspaintings.co.uk/intaglio/HealthConference.pdf
When I open it with Intaglio the Object->Ungroup menu
item is faded out.
If I then do Object->Convert->PDF For Editing the
image becomes ungroupedSo I guess the answer is that Ungroup does not work on all
PDFs.all the best
Julius
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This is rather OT but I too have had the same problem here in the
United Kingdom. The easiest way around this is either to fill the
forms in by hand or complain- or both!
PS, don’t bother with Word- it’s rubbish. Use Pages instead (it’s
miles better!)
Tom
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On 5 Nov 2008, at 20:31, “h.i.william few” email@hidden wrote:
Hey Guys:
Your advice is generous and timely, but I don’t understand a lot of
it. Maybe if you knew the problem I am trying to solve you could
better direct me.I am applying to graduate schools. They have websites with their
application forms available for download, which, if in my hand in
hard copy, cannot be filled out effectively because I do not have a
typewriter. Who does?On the other hand, the forms don’t convert to a Word Doc format on
my laptop. (I run Word for Mac 2003.)
My goal is to fill out the forms, paste in docs like my resume and
personal goals, print and send it in by snail mail.No can do without a doc with which I can work, right? I am informed
that PDF specifically PREVENTS doing what I am trying to do, however
logical it might seem.In other words, does the grad school’s website vendor, in an effort
to protect the material, also prevent my filling out the very form
they are presenting to me?Let me know.
best,
will— On Tue, 10/28/08, julius email@hidden wrote:
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Subject: Re: PDF For Editing
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Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:20 PM
Ian hi,
On 28 Oct 2008, at 19:07, IanB wrote:Here’s one for Nick, but if anyone else knows the
answer, please chime in.What does the feature ‘PDF For Editing’ do? When
Intaglio opens a PDF, editing is straightforward—just
Ungroup and delete the grey boxes that appear. All the
objects can then be modified. Any ideas?
I checked this out with a non Intaglio pdf someone sent me.http://juliuspaintings.co.uk/intaglio/HealthConference.pdf
When I open it with Intaglio the Object->Ungroup menu
item is faded out.
If I then do Object->Convert->PDF For Editing the
image becomes ungroupedSo I guess the answer is that Ungroup does not work on all
PDFs.all the best
Julius
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William Hi,
On 5 Nov 2008, at 20:31, h.i.william few wrote:
I am applying to graduate schools. They have websites with their
application forms available for download, which, if in my hand in
hard copy, cannot be filled out effectively because I do not have a
typewriter. Who does?On the other hand, the forms don’t convert to a Word Doc format on
my laptop. (I run Word for Mac 2003.)
My goal is to fill out the forms, paste in docs like my resume and
personal goals, print and send it in by snail mail.No can do without a doc with which I can work, right? I am informed
that PDF specifically PREVENTS doing what I am trying to do, however
logical it might seem.
Are you able to print out the PDF?
If so then just use your Word for mac 2003 to produce your answers to
each question with a font of appropriate type and size, print and then
cut and paste onto the printed pdf using scisors and pritstick.
I’ve done this lots of times and it works well.
A more sophisticated approach but more fiddly is to try to align your
printing with the printed document.
If you can’t print out the pdf then …
If you have Preview on your Mac, that will print pdfs
Hope that helps
can’t think of anything else
all the best
Julius
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Last year, I needed to find a dentist. In the U.K. dentists are allocated by an authority called a ‘health care trust’. I eventually found the trust’s web site, but instead of keeping things simple, they require you to download and complete a form in Word’s .DOC format.
The form opened in TextEdit. At first, the text overflowed the boxes, but this was solved by reducing the type size. I saved as, specifying ‘Word Format’ in the drop-down menu, completed the form in TextEdit and e-mailed it back to the trust. It seemed to work; about 3 weeks later, the trust replied, this time by normal mail. I now have a dentist.
On the 30th October, Nick said: ‘You should be able to use “Convert PDF For Editing” on any PDF object you’ve imported.’
I must have opened 20 or 30 PDFs and in every case, “Convert PDF For Editing” was greyed.
Nick also said: ‘Select the one object and look at the object type at the bottom of the window (next to the horizontal scrollbar) to make sure it’s PDF.’
This also doesn’t work. The Object Type menu usually says ‘Path’, ‘Image’ or ‘Group’.
What sort of PDF uses “Convert PDF For Editing”? Illustrator CS? Acrobat?
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Hi Will
PDF distribution of forms is quite common. I’ve used two methods that work for me (iMac G4 & 10.4.11). Both require Intaglio and a printer, and the second also requires a scanner.
Method 1: Download the .pdf form and open in Intaglio. It is not necessary to ungroup (see prior board discussions), just select font & size, & type on the form. Intaglio can place the text exactly where it needs to be. From Intaglio, save as .pdf and print.
Method 2: Download the .pdf form and print. Scan the printout and save as .pdf or PICT (.pct); Intaglio can open either. Open in Intaglio, complete the form, save as .pdf, and print.
Hope this works for you.
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