[Pro] An unusual questions (re: master page)

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Hi,

Hope you can follow this and help…

I have a CAROUSEL on my MASTER1. The purpose of it here is that it has the carousel appear on just 2 of pages:

index.html
home.html

when I make a change to my carousel on the master1, of course it changes on those 2 pages and all is great.

here is the challenge…

When I make something NEW (i.e new frame) for the carousel on the MASTER1, it appears on every page that uses master1 (I have like 75). OH NO!

Now I could handle this problem by getting rid of my “home” page and just having the .index and that is my home and move the carousel there, but as of today I still have these 2 pages because there is an intro transition effect on the .index page which I did not want every time someone hits home.

SO My QUESTION…

Anyway, is there a way to add a new carousel frame for example on the master1, and only have it happen on those 2 pages instead of every page, or am I needing to rethink this?

I thought maybe using duplicate but soon found out that did nothing.

Hope this makes sense,

Thanks,

Barry

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You can have as many masters as you like, only they cannot inherit from one another. If there are only two pages in your document that need the carousel, you might be tempted to have a master just for those, and another master for the rest of the pages in your document. You might also consider using a blank master for those two pages, and the current master (minus the carousel) for all the others.

Try one of the following in a duplicate of your existing site document. Save, then Save as… in a new location before going down either path.

###The first way

Select your master page, and choose Page / Duplicate page. You will get a new master with everything as the first. Go back to the first master page, and delete the carousel. It should disappear from all pages where it was present. Now make a third master page from the main menu with nothing on it. Go to your first page that should have the carousel, and in the Page Inspector, change the master page to be the blank page. Everything that wasn’t based on the master should still be shown on the page, while everything that was on the master should immediately disappear. Select all, and cut to the clipboard. Switch to the second master page (the one with the carousel on it) and all those master elements should return. Finally, paste, and everything that was added outside of the master should be back where it belongs.

###The second way

Create a new blank master, as above. Move to the first page with a carousel, and select all, and cut to the clipboard. Switch the now empty page to use the blank master, using the Inspector, and paste. Repeat on the second page. Move to the original master page, and delete the carousel and any other un-common content that you aren’t using on the rest of your pages. Your two carousel pages should now be based on the blank master, but contain all the same content as they previously did. These items on the page are now “instance objects” rather than “master objects”, so they maintain a separate existence from their originals on the other master page. They no longer will be updated when you change the master. You will also have to duplicate any changes to them from page to page. I find copy and paste to be very useful for this, especially since Freeway’s clipboard is so rich. Since there’s only two such pages, this is probably a pragmatic way to go here.

Walter

On Sep 6, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Barry Hoffman wrote:

Hi,

Hope you can follow this and help…

I have a CAROUSEL on my MASTER1. The purpose of it here is that it has the carousel appear on just 2 of pages:

index.html
home.html

when I make a change to my carousel on the master1, of course it changes on those 2 pages and all is great.

here is the challenge…

When I make something NEW (i.e new frame) for the carousel on the MASTER1, it appears on every page that uses master1 (I have like 75). OH NO!

Now I could handle this problem by getting rid of my “home” page and just having the .index and that is my home and move the carousel there, but as of today I still have these 2 pages because there is an intro transition effect on the .index page which I did not want every time someone hits home.

SO My QUESTION…

Anyway, is there a way to add a new carousel frame for example on the master1, and only have it happen on those 2 pages instead of every page, or am I needing to rethink this?

I thought maybe using duplicate but soon found out that did nothing.

Hope this makes sense,

Thanks,

http://www.hoffkids.com

Barry

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Walt,

I should have mentioned… that the pages with the 2 carousels have the entire TOP section which need to work off of Master 1 so therefore having another master for just the carousels would not help would it?

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Knowing this… does one of the 2 ways you mentioned handle it??

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They are roughly equal choices. When you detach an item from its master, it doesn’t stop working. It just stops being updated when that master changes. So if you went with option number one, any changes you make to the header on the original master would have to be duplicated (manually) on the other master. If you went with option number two, any changes you make to the header on the original master would have to be duplicated on two instance pages (since they don’t have those elements on their master). It’s up to you whether this is more work than editing two masters. (It is, but only slightly. Copy and paste are your friends.)

As an aside, since Freeway 5.5 and previous had only limited support for inline elements on master pages, I got thoroughly out of the habit of using master pages at all. I think most of my recent Freeway work had entirely blank master pages, maybe some common JS or CSS in the markup, but that’s it. Freeway 6 and now 6.1 have vastly improved how this works, so I may go back to using masters more properly.

Walter

On Sep 6, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Barry Hoffman wrote:

Knowing this… does one of the 2 ways you mentioned handle it??

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Walt,

I am going to begin by saying thanks for the long explanation with details. I also should have mentioned that on the 2 pages with the carousels, it is NOT ONLY the top which is connected to master1, but all of the icons, etc.

As much as your procedures probably will do they job, they will come with me having to probably do more extra work with duplicating, copy/paste etc than I’d like…

All for what reason??? The answer is why I am writing.

The whole reason for this situation is because I have the multi fade in transitions on the index page for “effect.”.

You know the transitions, the ones that have been killing me slowly for the last year. They look pretty cool (to me) but at what price? I cut down thir load in time adn tried to make everything go smooth,

When I went from 5.5 to 6.1 I ran up against more “Flashing” problems with them. That meant more work with Div and Div style extended “hidden” stuff and all sorts of things you and Dave have helped me with to accomplish the mult transition effect.

BUT now that it is not working, I have thought about just getting rid of it. Therefore things get cleaned up and I can delete the “home” page, making the index the home.

Now the carousel situation has just about made me decide to do it. Every time I want to make a new frame for the carousel I have been deleting them off of 75 other pages. Therefore I am not making as many new ones because of the labor. I am my own enemy.

I think I have therefore decided to

  1. Delete the first page one sees at Hoffkids with the transitions. THis will rid me of any FLASH situations, etc

  2. Delete the carousel off of the master1 and just keep it on the index page.

I would still really like something when the kids come to the page for the fist time to JUMP or be different and not so stale, but it cannot be too involved or else it will happen every time someone hits home.

Thanks for making me thing about this- the time has come!!!

Barry

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Walt,

in anticipation that I am doing the above, I have another easy question. RIght now on the page with the carousel, I have the “extra frames” )the ones in the carousel and the ones not used now but I may add in later), ABOVE the page in FW, but I am running out of room.

Assuming that I will have as many as 30 or 40 frames (not all being used at once), where can I put these as I am running out of room in the FW page?

Can I make another page just to hold these and still connect it to the carousel on a diff page?.

I thought the frames had to be on the same FW page as the carousel itself??

Thanks,

Barry

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i made the pasteboard bigger 900pxls and will just keep them all above .

I’ll make this PB as big as I need to hold all.

Barry

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