[Pro] Client control of website

Hi there,

I have a client who would like full control over their site…. (every single page, text, images and headers!) I have suggested 2 different ways of going about this… the first was for me to produce the site in CMS and the second was that the client gets hold of a copy of Freeway and we go from there.

Obviously there are pros and cons for both ways of thought, but as my knowledge of producing a CMS site is still in its infancy… my preference is that they get hold of Freeway and I keep a close eye on the changes they wish to make.

This is my problem… they use a PC and I can’t see a PC version of freeway pro out there and not sure if there will be one on offer in the near future. My client does however have a copy of Dreamweaver… but my DW knowledge is basic as I favour Freeway so are there any alternatives???

I guess I could learn to use Dreamweaver but would much rather use Freeway as I use it every day.

Thanks for your help in advance Jon


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From previous thread…

On 10 Mar 2009, 4:07 pm, chuckamuck wrote:

For simplicity of setup you could go with something like MiniCMS which essentially leaves the page wide open for any kind of content wherever a MiniCMS object is placed. The action for this places a single html object in the page which then becomes an editable area in a web browser using an rtf editor very similar to TinyMCE. Within that editor, any kind of web content can be inserted. There is no limitation, which is a good and bad thing depending on if you have to go back and clean up the clients mess.

This leaves the client free to do their worst of course, but if that is what they want… This may cause a future problem for you if you ever have to go back and edit the original layout and the client still wants to keep all the content they added. You would have to make certain that the names of the MiniCMS areas do NOT change, otherwise all their content will disappear.

WebYep would work also and give you more control over the type of content of page areas, for example specific image areas could be designated. But if the client wants control of that also, this may be a tough sell.

Ok cheers.

I’m afraid my knowledge of WebYep is limited and MiniCMS even more so. How easy is it to learn WebYep? Does it work within Freeway or would I have to construct the site in WebYep and then import the site into Freeway using the actions available??

If the client wants complete control and there is no PC version of Freeway available… how easy is it to swap the site between Dreamweaver and Freeway… or is that a none starter and CMS the best way to go?

thanks again

Jon


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Both WebYep and MiniCMS have actions that make including them into your Freeway page a snap. Both actions can be found here: http://actionsforge.com/tags/view/2-cms

MiniCMS and WebYep must be purchased separately from the actions which also incur a charge. Cost is minimal however. One thing about using them, they both require that domain be registered to the copy you purchase, meaning that you have to buy a new liscense for each domain they are used in.

MiniCMS: http://minicms.eu/home.html
WebYep: http://www.obdev.at/products/webyep/index.html


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If the client wants complete control and there is no PC version of Freeway available… how easy is it to swap the site between Dreamweaver and Freeway…

That is a non starter as far as using code from Dreamweaver inside Freeway is concerned. Going in the other direction is doable, but any changes made to your layout in Dreamweaver would have to be recreated in Freeway since using importing html in Freeway is WAY TOO BIG of a headache.


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Ahh ok… sounds like I either need to start using WebYeb or MiniCMS or start learning Dreamweaver!

I am probably leaning on the site of the CMS side of things as that would give me control over the design and the client control over the content.

Which (in your humble opinion) is the best way to go? and which is better between WebYep and MiniCMS for ease of use and allowing as much client control as possible?

Sorry for all the questions, but just need to know what i am getting into.

Thanks again

Jon


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Just to be clear, WebYep and MiniCMS are not the only CMS options out there, they are just arguably the easiest to implement within Freeway by using the available actions. There is also an action suite for Expression Egine but this is far more complicated to implement if you have no CMS experience, and it is more expensive for the site liscense if it is intended for commercial site use.

IMHO go with the CMS. Giving the client Freeway (or an equivalent pc app) is the same as giving away your client.

Either WebYep or MiniCMS gives you control of the layout at the start, but to keep control of where and what kind of object is placed in a specific place within a layout, I think WebYep is the better choice. MiniCMS is totally wide open as to what kind of content can be edited, and if your client knows nothing about web design, MiniCMS may cause more issues than it solves, but it does give the client total content control.


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Hi jon
this is an example of a site which is almost completly webyep content… even down to the meta tags and the shopping cart

There a few areas like the flash and a few of the images but generally its about 95% webyep

the client can generate new pages and if they required it at the time it could have included many more images and again they too could have been webyep items

It all comes down to planning what you are going to need prior to build. Saying that even if the client required a completly new page style or lets say a google map page which they can adjust then that can be added at a later date because the freeway part of the document is completly untouched by any amount of client changes.

This is another site which has huge amounts of webyep content.

Recently I had to add a new form page to the site which would have been a nightmare if the client had been adjusting the html, but because they hadnt touched it directly then all I needed to do was open up the freeway artwork add the form pages, publish and upload, all the clients changes which they had been adding over the last few months were intact.

All the best max.


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Just to chip in on this, I’ve just had much of the same scenario and
after looking at a small clutch of CMS options I plumped for WebYeb,
judging Expression Engine too complex, although more powerful. The
WebYep interface is not very elegant, (more PC than Mac!), but using
the WebYeb Action is straightforward and the client is happy that she
can change test and images within a design controlled environment.

How much so depends on your layout and which aras you allow the client
to edit, so you can safeguard the basic template into which editable
content is composed. I’ve set mine up to control font styles in key
areas, too. There’s no database, just a data folder which you can back-
up via FTP, from time to to time, as a safeguard and, as long as the
Action field names remain the same, you can even modify the design and
bring back the right content into re-worked pages.

Hope that helps

Colin

On 10 Mar 2009, at 17:47, chuckamuck wrote:

Just to be clear, WebYep and MiniCMS are not the only CMS options…


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Thanks so much guys - its been so helpful to know these things from the outset.

Great example max… I shall certainly be looking into WebYep and going from there. But great to know that its all possible.

Cheers again.

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On 10 Mar 2009, 6:15 pm, ColinJA wrote:

There’s no database, just a data folder which you can back-
up via FTP, from time to to time, as a safeguard and, as long as the
Action field names remain the same, you can even modify the design and
bring back the right content into re-worked pages.

Hope that helps

Colin

It is possible to set up an event in iCal, that then triggers an Automator application script to grab the folder and save it locally for you via Transmit, the FTP utility.

I’d been looking into saving web server logs automatically for a client, as after a certain period of time the host deletes them. This procedure grabs them before they get deleted. Works on any server directory you specify and can be set to overwrite or merge directory contents. If anyone is interested I’ll post a page somewhere giving details.


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Hi Ian,

I’d certainly be interested to know how to do it cheers

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On 11 Mar 2009, 6:49 pm, wingnut wrote:

Hi Ian,

I’d certainly be interested to know how to do it cheers

Jon

OK Jon, I’ll post a link when I’ve prepared a page for all to see. Might be a day or two, but I’ll try to hurry it along.

Ian


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Really appreciate it Ian,

I am just getting to grips with WebYep so no need to work up a sweat! :o)

Thanks again!

Jon


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Found a few spare minutes whilst I routinely ‘DiskWarriored’ a server drive. Hope this helps. Works in Safari but not tested in IE!

http://homepage.mac.com/ianhalstead/Sites/Automator/


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Thanks Ian

Very well presented, too. Im sure it will be of benefit to a good few
of us.

Colin

On 12 Mar 2009, at 08:40, Ian Halstead wrote:

Found a few spare minutes whilst I routinely ‘DiskWarriored’ a
server drive. Hope this helps. Works in Safari but not tested in IE!

http://homepage.mac.com/ianhalstead/Sites/Automator/


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Brilliant! many thanks Ian!

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On 12 Mar 2009, at 08:40, Ian Halstead wrote:

http://homepage.mac.com/ianhalstead/Sites/Automator/

Also works for Fetch.

The difference: At Step 2 drag “Get specified Fetch Items” to set path
and then “Download Fetch Items” to select folder.

Colin


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Hey Ian
thats blooming marvelous!!! do you know what… it never even crossed my mind … what a superb way to back up the data folder if you dont mind I will pass this on to the webyep community in general…
thanks Ian

All the best
Max :o)


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After all the hard work you’ve put in for our benefit Max, you have the big OK to spread the word to WebYep users!

Automator really hides it’s light under a bushel. Immensely powerful, and even a dunderhead like me can use it!


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