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I too have been helped by Thomas in the past, but as someone who moderates a number of web forums, on topics as touchy as traditional music and climate change, I know that it is never reasonable to attack a new arrival who has come to the forum in all innocence looking for help - no matter how misguided they might be.

Many would not even realise that this site was run by Walter and not by Freeway (they used to send people here), and the customer is always right. And even when they are wrong, they must be always treated with respect and patience - as most people here do.

To use one’s superior expertise as a weapon to belittle or insult an innocent enquirer is utterly disgraceful behaviour, and if I was running this site I would have banned both these two, and a maybe couple more regardless of their expertise or track record. It is beyond the pale to talk in those terms, unprompted, on the internet.

I had great sympathy for Historian who did not deserve the bashing he got. Yes his response was intemperate, but that’s what it was: A response.

For every person who stands up for themselves, as I did, there will on average be 5 more who slide away disgusted, never to return, and perhaps 15 more who read but never post, to do likewise.

Given how much tech support costs, companies like Freeway rely heavily on a good community forum like this (and it is good - very good and I’ve expressed my gratitude many times), but if this sort of thing happens then it can only damage the parent company.

I can only assume that our two friends assumed that I was lying about my predicament, (both in terms of the upgrade and the dyslexia) and merely trying to get a free copy of Freeway.

I wasn’t.

They may think their expertise and track record of helping people entitles them to be as rude and unpleasant as they like. Well, plainly they do, as they’ve said as much.

But it doesn’t.

What they forget is that the people they are jumping on might have far greater expertise in some other arena than operating a web authoring package, possibly something actually more important (they do exist, surprisingly), and may even help other people themselves far far more than anyone ever has on this forum.


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Thanks for making the topic come back around to what it should be. Everybody needs to cool down about this, and remember Aesop’s fable of the elephant. We each have our own idea what animal we are all fondling. None of us are wrong, or should be ridiculed for our view.

As to this:

On Aug 24, 2016, at 5:37 PM, TomBliss email@hidden wrote:

Many would not even realise that this site was run by Walter and not by Freeway (they used to send people here),

I built the software that runs this site (with help from Finlay Dobbie, who wrote the security trampoline in C or something like that) and long ago I had root on the box it runs on, but I stopped being involved in the actual administration of it several (many, now that I think about it) years ago. It all grew out of my deep and abiding dissatisfaction with PHPBB and similar, which always (if they did it at all) grudgingly supported e-mail as a client. I built this system to make mail the first-class citizen, and the web “just another subscriber” to the One True Mailing List.

Walter


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Some with long memories will recall an app called Claris Email, which had some stalwart fans but ultimately disappeared. Many users felt desperate at the time, but I’m pretty sure they all moved on sooner or later.

Freeway also has some stalwart supporters, though clearly not enough for Softpress to continue as a viable business and it’s time to move on. None of the alternatives are perfect and neither is Freeway. More importantly it has no future.

My humble suggestion is that everybody keeps an open mind and starts trying some alternatives to see what works best for you all. Arguments, insults or even pouring over ancient history are all pointless. In a couple years time we will all be ex Freeway users.

Ashley


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I remember Claris fondly, and it’s predecessor GreatWorks.

In fact Freeway was much like the Draw functions of these to me. All the innovations which happened inside drop-downs that I never opened were irrelvent to me - I’d already built a big website in, I think FW2, and all I wanted to do was add pages using the methods I understood. I did tussle with Actions for downloads, but the text used to default to Times if you did do some bodging, which annoyed me.

With every upgrade I excited looked for the innovations I wanted - polygons, grads, lines, arrows, but the UI always looked the same. Still does in 7.

I wish Freeway had stuck with the original business plans, to make the best graphics-based authoring package - like Swift Publisher (a very reasonable and good InDesign-type program if you don’t know it) for websites.

Also the ability to have multiple editors for content (Maybe they did that, but if so I never knew).

If they had gone that way they might have fended off Wordpress -because it would surely have been much much better.

But they seemed to be chasing Dreamweaver - which was already huge when they launched, which seemed a bit sideways to me.

Oh, and re the Wordpress discussion above - my biggest problem with WP is not being able to embed iFrames, which I use a lot in FW (mainly for my interactive crowdsourced map - the root of my research and communication work) - otherwise, I’d be rebuilding everything in WP now, for all the problems I have with the horrid clunky themes.

Meanwhile I’m still no near to finding an alternative - never mind a QUICK and EASY one. (As you probably guessed I used that title because I’d read all the other threads here about alternatives and barely understood a word :slight_smile:


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Forget about Freeway, Softpress and what might have been. Choose an alternative and don’t look back.

This reminds me a bit of that old search for “good, cheap and fast” where you can only have two of the three.

If you want it “cheap and fast” WordPress is probably your best option, but you give up some of the design control and there are other downsides. You could find a free theme and probably have 50 pages done by Monday. Whether it’s enjoyable or not depends on the various criteria you set.

In a situation like yours I would start by looking at your existing site, then decide what functionality you need in the foreseeable future. On a 400 page site I’d be prioritising quick and easy with a simple stipulation that it must be mobile friendly.

For “quick and easy” Blocs is looking very attractive. It lacks the outright versatility of Rapidweaver at this stage but they are making fast progress. I cannot comment on other apps.

My only concern is what will allow me to produce a decent looking site that performs well without going stir crazy in the process. It’s just a tool to help you achieve a goal, much like a photographer choosing Nikon or Canon.

They all have weaknesses and you have no control over the way these companies are run so you just have to get stuck in and hope for the best or learn to code by hand. Start downloading trial software and give them a go. Within a few days you’ll know what suits you best.

Ashley


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Drat - my last disappeared into the ether.

I’m drowning in options here.

Does Blocs support iFrames?

I must be able to embed my crowd-sourced map - everything pivots around this research work.

http://www.turnstone.tv/tuf1.html

The whole site all looking dodgy now because 7 has reverted much text to Times (again), and some other stuff has gone west too - like text getting bigger on roll-over (who ever wanted that!?)

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I added the words “Blocs iFrame” to Google and it looks like it can be done. Blocs Iframe Tutorial (Youtube Video And Google Maps Embed) - YouTube

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Ah. Blocs only give you a 5 day trial!

It will take me weeks to get my head round each of these alternatives - I’m a slow learner, and it will even longer because they are all superficially similar, which makes them even more confusing for someone like me.

The more programs I try the worse it will be, but I’m loosing countless thousands of hours of work in FW - work upon which everything I do depends.

It’s all a bit of a trial, really.


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OK thanks - that looks encouraging - though how I’m going to add all the stuff I need around and on top of it, if I even can, is a very different matter.

I need to be able to overlay boxes of text on top of the iFrame, but still have the map working. The map is hosted by someone else who built it for me. It’s very clever but one size doe not fit all so I need to customise for different users - easy in FW, but goodness know how feasibly in all these zillions of alts.

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Why not write to the developers of a few apps or ask on their forums and specify what you need to do. Then ask whether it can be done and how?

Ashley


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That’s a good idea, thanks.

I think I’ll start by trying to narrow down the options here, as there seem to be a lot of people who have tried some of the alternatives - then I can go looking for confirmation.

So, in order of importance my hopes would be for:

• No coding at all

• iFrames support

• Copy and edit pages

• Drag and drop WYSIWYG elements (that can be placed on top of iFrames as in Freeway)

• Place elements where you like, not just themes or templates

• Ability to open a file exported from Freeway (HTML, CSS or js - whatever these are!)

• One-off purchase (I sometimes go long periods with little income)

• User forum

• UK phone support.

Do most of the above apply to any of the below?

Blocs,
Sparkle,
Rapidweaver,
Pinegrow,
Flux,
Coffee Cup,
Mobirise,
Brackets,
TextMate,
Coda,
Dreamweaver,
SublimeText,
BBEdit,
Espresso,
Chocolate,
Wordpress,
Macaw.

Others?

Thanks

Tom


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If you want UK phone support I suspect that will be a very, very short list. Also you want no coding but list various text editors.

Having looked at your list I would give Rapidweaver serious consideration and look at CoffeeCup plus Blocs. I don’t know enough about CoffeeCup to offer any great insight but they are well established.

Rapidweaver is capable but you may well achieve the results you want with Blocs, while spending less.

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I can tell you which ones to knock off the list right away in response to your first criterion:

On Aug 27, 2016, at 11:46 AM, TomBliss email@hidden wrote:

• No coding at all

I believe these meet your first criterion, to varying degrees:

Blocs,
Sparkle,
Rapidweaver,
Pinegrow,
Flux,
Coffee Cup,
Mobilize,
Dreamweaver,

Dreamweaver is an odd bird. It does have a “coding side”, but it also has a pure WYSIWYG interface as well. I have not used it in many many years, but the last time I did, it made really kludgy code that was in no way as nice as Freeway’s, or a hand-coder’s. If you can get a trial version, it is worth a try, only because it is the most mature product in this space – it pre-dates Freeway by a year or so, although it was owned by a German company called GoLive at that time, and was later bought by Adobe.

The following are all text editors, with no WYSIWYG controls (plenty of visual feedback, but no drag and drop design tools):

Brackets,
TextMate,
Coda,
SublimeText,
BBEdit,
Espresso,
Chocolat,

Wordpress,

Wordpress is a CMS that you install on your server, and unless you really really like a particular template, editing or changing it will be a strictly coding prospect. You could buy the Wordpress version of Pinegrow (which I have not tried, so I cannot vouch for) and see if that gives you enough control to edit or alter the design of an existing template, or create your own from scratch.

Macaw.

Macaw was purchased by Invision, a company that makes an online prototyping (not design) tool. I have a copy of the original version here (I paid for the Kickstarter), but they never really sanded off the rough spots before they stopped developing it as a stand-alone app. It’s also disturbingly cross-platform, like those “apps” made in Adobe Air. None of your Mac shortcut muscle memory need apply! I don’t know for sure, but I believe it is becoming a specialized tool for building Invision prototypes, rather than an HTML generator.

Others?

Thanks

Tom


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Thanks both. Very helpful. I will explore further. Tom


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Ever since I heard this news I’ve been searching for an alternative. I think I may have found one. What is especially interesting about the one I’ve found is that it can open the sites we’ve created in Freeway.
I’ve found one YouTube video that lays it out pretty well. It’s about 20 minutes long and the first 16 minutes are worth paying attention to.
The application is Flux 6. Requires El Captain. Have a look at the video. Flux V Web Design App for Mac: Review - YouTube

And here’s the site for the Application. http://www.theescapers.com/product.php?product=flux
Free download.

Looking forward to what you all think of this.


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Sorry I missed the Flux references from before. The fact that it can open our files seemed a plus to me.


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The reviews for Flux are not encouraging -

I’d give it a go regardless, but I can’t see how to 'open the sites we’ve created in Freeway. ’ Presumably you’re talking about some file exported from FW not the FW file itself - or is this a direct import from the web, as Sparkle will be able to do soon, I believe, in which case it could open any site, not just those created in FW?

I’m currently looking at Sparkle and liking it a lot.


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Flux can open and edit HTML files. Freeway generates HTML files, but Freeway does not save HTML in its .freeway file. That is the distinction that matters.

If you, as a Freeway user, are accustomed to opening a single document file (the YourSite.freeway file) and having an entire site, then you will not find any other application than Freeway that can do this trick.

But if you are more concerned with working on a site that was once generated in Freeway, but is now a folder full of .html files (your actual Web site, as uploaded to a server somewhere) then you will be happy with lots of different replacements as discussed here.

Walter

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The reviews for Flux are not encouraging -

Download Flux for Mac | MacUpdate

I’d give it a go regardless, but I can’t see how to 'open the sites we’ve created in Freeway. ’ Presumably you’re talking about some file exported from FW not the FW file itself - or is this a direct import from the web, as Sparkle will be able to do soon, I believe, in which case it could open any site, not just those created in FW?

I’m currently looking at Sparkle and liking it a lot.


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Just reporting back on Sparkle. I’d like to recommend it strongly, because it’s really very like Freeway, nicer to use, and it does many even most of the things I needed from Freeway, plus a few more. But there are couple of issues which prevent me giving it 10/10, so I’ve shared those with the guys - hoping they can fix the deal-breakers, at least, soon. (They’ve been very helpful and positive about improvements).

I do think Sparkle will probably be my final choice, but just in case - has anyone any opinions on html egg?


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has anyone any opinions on html egg?

Just had a very brief look at their site and while the blurb looks promising none of the examples sites in their gallery are responsive - apart from the one that is now a WP site!

If you just want to throw up a basic non-responsive site it might be worth a look but after this I wont even bother to launch the Demo.

D


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