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That’s a good idea, thanks.

I think I’ll start by trying to narrow down the options here, as there seem to be a lot of people who have tried some of the alternatives - then I can go looking for confirmation.

So, in order of importance my hopes would be for:

• No coding at all

• iFrames support

• Copy and edit pages

• Drag and drop WYSIWYG elements (that can be placed on top of iFrames as in Freeway)

• Place elements where you like, not just themes or templates

• Ability to open a file exported from Freeway (HTML, CSS or js - whatever these are!)

• One-off purchase (I sometimes go long periods with little income)

• User forum

• UK phone support.

Do most of the above apply to any of the below?

Blocs,
Sparkle,
Rapidweaver,
Pinegrow,
Flux,
Coffee Cup,
Mobirise,
Brackets,
TextMate,
Coda,
Dreamweaver,
SublimeText,
BBEdit,
Espresso,
Chocolate,
Wordpress,
Macaw.

Others?

Thanks

Tom


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If you want UK phone support I suspect that will be a very, very short list. Also you want no coding but list various text editors.

Having looked at your list I would give Rapidweaver serious consideration and look at CoffeeCup plus Blocs. I don’t know enough about CoffeeCup to offer any great insight but they are well established.

Rapidweaver is capable but you may well achieve the results you want with Blocs, while spending less.

Ashley


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I can tell you which ones to knock off the list right away in response to your first criterion:

On Aug 27, 2016, at 11:46 AM, TomBliss email@hidden wrote:

• No coding at all

I believe these meet your first criterion, to varying degrees:

Blocs,
Sparkle,
Rapidweaver,
Pinegrow,
Flux,
Coffee Cup,
Mobilize,
Dreamweaver,

Dreamweaver is an odd bird. It does have a “coding side”, but it also has a pure WYSIWYG interface as well. I have not used it in many many years, but the last time I did, it made really kludgy code that was in no way as nice as Freeway’s, or a hand-coder’s. If you can get a trial version, it is worth a try, only because it is the most mature product in this space – it pre-dates Freeway by a year or so, although it was owned by a German company called GoLive at that time, and was later bought by Adobe.

The following are all text editors, with no WYSIWYG controls (plenty of visual feedback, but no drag and drop design tools):

Brackets,
TextMate,
Coda,
SublimeText,
BBEdit,
Espresso,
Chocolat,

Wordpress,

Wordpress is a CMS that you install on your server, and unless you really really like a particular template, editing or changing it will be a strictly coding prospect. You could buy the Wordpress version of Pinegrow (which I have not tried, so I cannot vouch for) and see if that gives you enough control to edit or alter the design of an existing template, or create your own from scratch.

Macaw.

Macaw was purchased by Invision, a company that makes an online prototyping (not design) tool. I have a copy of the original version here (I paid for the Kickstarter), but they never really sanded off the rough spots before they stopped developing it as a stand-alone app. It’s also disturbingly cross-platform, like those “apps” made in Adobe Air. None of your Mac shortcut muscle memory need apply! I don’t know for sure, but I believe it is becoming a specialized tool for building Invision prototypes, rather than an HTML generator.

Others?

Thanks

Tom


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Thanks both. Very helpful. I will explore further. Tom


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Ever since I heard this news I’ve been searching for an alternative. I think I may have found one. What is especially interesting about the one I’ve found is that it can open the sites we’ve created in Freeway.
I’ve found one YouTube video that lays it out pretty well. It’s about 20 minutes long and the first 16 minutes are worth paying attention to.
The application is Flux 6. Requires El Captain. Have a look at the video. Flux V Web Design App for Mac: Review - YouTube

And here’s the site for the Application. http://www.theescapers.com/product.php?product=flux
Free download.

Looking forward to what you all think of this.


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Sorry I missed the Flux references from before. The fact that it can open our files seemed a plus to me.


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The reviews for Flux are not encouraging -

I’d give it a go regardless, but I can’t see how to 'open the sites we’ve created in Freeway. ’ Presumably you’re talking about some file exported from FW not the FW file itself - or is this a direct import from the web, as Sparkle will be able to do soon, I believe, in which case it could open any site, not just those created in FW?

I’m currently looking at Sparkle and liking it a lot.


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Flux can open and edit HTML files. Freeway generates HTML files, but Freeway does not save HTML in its .freeway file. That is the distinction that matters.

If you, as a Freeway user, are accustomed to opening a single document file (the YourSite.freeway file) and having an entire site, then you will not find any other application than Freeway that can do this trick.

But if you are more concerned with working on a site that was once generated in Freeway, but is now a folder full of .html files (your actual Web site, as uploaded to a server somewhere) then you will be happy with lots of different replacements as discussed here.

Walter

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The reviews for Flux are not encouraging -

Download Flux for Mac | MacUpdate

I’d give it a go regardless, but I can’t see how to 'open the sites we’ve created in Freeway. ’ Presumably you’re talking about some file exported from FW not the FW file itself - or is this a direct import from the web, as Sparkle will be able to do soon, I believe, in which case it could open any site, not just those created in FW?

I’m currently looking at Sparkle and liking it a lot.


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Just reporting back on Sparkle. I’d like to recommend it strongly, because it’s really very like Freeway, nicer to use, and it does many even most of the things I needed from Freeway, plus a few more. But there are couple of issues which prevent me giving it 10/10, so I’ve shared those with the guys - hoping they can fix the deal-breakers, at least, soon. (They’ve been very helpful and positive about improvements).

I do think Sparkle will probably be my final choice, but just in case - has anyone any opinions on html egg?


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has anyone any opinions on html egg?

Just had a very brief look at their site and while the blurb looks promising none of the examples sites in their gallery are responsive - apart from the one that is now a WP site!

If you just want to throw up a basic non-responsive site it might be worth a look but after this I wont even bother to launch the Demo.

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Hi

Any recommendations for an app that will enable secure login for certain pages on a website and an easy native CMS?

Elizabeth

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has anyone any opinions on html egg?

Just had a very brief look at their site and while the blurb looks promising none of the examples sites in their gallery are responsive - apart from the one that is now a WP site!

If you just want to throw up a basic non-responsive site it might be worth a look but after this I wont even bother to launch the Demo.

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an easy native CMS

Not quite sure what a native CMS is - can you expand?

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Hi Dave

Not a third party add-on CMS.

kind regards
Elizabeth

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an easy native CMS

Not quite sure what a native CMS is - can you expand?

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Not a third party add-on CMS.

Really a Topic for its own thread.

CMS are different things to different users.

Are you saying you want a standalone package, like WordPress, that is ‘the Site’ rather than provide the integration between your content (FW, RW generated etc.) and user created content.

When I asked you to expand I was really hoping you would provide the bigger picture of what you are trying to achieve as there are literally hundreds of CMS methods/apps/services.

A new Topic ‘Which CMS for my Project’

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Hi Elizabeth,

Pinegrow just came out with version 2.93 and a CMS feature for end-user (client) editing, if this is what you are referring to.

http://docs.pinegrow.com/editing/pinegrow-cms-for-static-html-websites


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But … a third party CMS ain’t that big a deal when it’s build into the app you’re working with. It is when you have to manually crowbar it in … am I right?

This might just wet your pants; just pick your favourite flavour and off you go.


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Hi

Thanks for the suggestions, I will look at Pinegrow, I did look at Blocs sometime ago, but not sure if that one appeals, I’ll take another look.
Dave, I want to avoid WordPress as much as possible, I really dislike what they do and they way it works. I like to work from a blank page - from scratch and create and place images, information, etc freely. Yes, I don’t want to “crowbar” in CMS or login sections.

Elizabeth

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Hi Elizabeth,

Pinegrow just came out with version 2.93 and a CMS feature for end-user (client) editing, if this is what you are referring to.

http://docs.pinegrow.com/editing/pinegrow-cms-for-static-html-websites


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Any recommendations for an app that will enable secure login for certain pages on a website and an easy native CMS?

You still haven’t told us what you are trying to achieve.

You may know but we can only guess unless you tell us.

The more information you can share about what you are trying to do the better we can offer suggestions.

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Hi Dave

Creating a new website - client’s current one is 10+ years old, with small ecommerce (shop) only about 20 products so probably don’t need a widget or plug-in, it also needs a login section with three of the pages and ability for CMS. Overall we’re looking at about 50 pages.

Is this sufficient - not much more to say at this stage.

Elizabeth

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Any recommendations for an app that will enable secure login for certain pages on a website and an easy native CMS?

You still haven’t told us what you are trying to achieve.

You may know but we can only guess unless you tell us.

The more information you can share about what you are trying to do the better we can offer suggestions.

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a login section with three of the pages

Can be handled server side depending on the # of users that get access.

and ability for CMS

On those 3 pages or on a site-wide basis?

And what level of user editing is required - are you talking simple text edits, image uploads or something more complicated like page creation etc.

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