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I am confused! I was too slow upgrading from 6 to 7and although it is still possible to download 7, it isn’t possible to pay for it or obtain a serial number. So what is the point in making it available?

On a legal point, I would have thought that as Softpress no longer exist, and no longer register users against a serial number, then we are free to exchange and reuse serial numbers as we wish?


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I am confused! I was too slow upgrading from 6 to 7and although it is still possible to download 7, it isn’t possible to pay for it or obtain a serial number. So what is the point in making it available?

For people who need need the latest (the last) version AND who paid for it. Which is sadly, not you.

On a legal point, I would have thought that as Softpress no longer exist, and no longer register users against a serial number, then we are free to exchange and reuse serial numbers as we wish?

So, when you are dead we are free to pick your pockets and go through your stuff? Hells no! The same here as somebody-- whether investors or creditors or whomever-- somebody still claims legal rights to it.

Of course, you can buy someone’s existing license… mine’s for sale for only USD$1,000,000.


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I very much doubt that there will be many people who paid for the upgrade, but did not download before the upgrade facility was discontinued. So my hunch would be, and it is backed up by the wording in their messages, that Richard and Joe are trying to be helpful, as I’m sure they would wish to be.

In legal terms I think you may be mistaken, anyway, The Big. I understand that there would be no claim against anyone who bought, sold, gave away or received a serial number, as long as it was still only used by the required number of users.

The loss of Freeway has left many users in a big pickle, and gloating over their discomfort is not something I’d ever expect from the Freeway team, and I’m disappointed to find it here in the community.


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Historian, please google me at either of the two Leeds universities and send me an email.


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among other stupid things TomBliss writes:

The loss of Freeway has left many users in a big pickle, and gloating over their discomfort is not something I’d ever expect from the Freeway team, and I’m disappointed to find it here in the community.

Snarky ≠ gloating.

Yes, it is true that I am an ass… but I have also been an actual contributor to the “community” with thousands of posts which, snarky or not, were true and helpful. So lecture away mister “pity me, give me free stuff”. You and mister “twat” are now in charge f this community.

And in case anyone else is confused, I was never a member of Team Freeway. That was their mistake.


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On 22 Aug 2016, 1:50 pm, TomBliss wrote:

Historian, please google me at either of the two Leeds universities and send me an email.

… why not posting the serial here?

It would spare us many idiots rushing in, commenting in an outrageous and suffering way for an application that they don’t understand anyway!

@historian

You venture calling people “Twat”? What gives you the right doing this? Try behaving adult because you talk to adults.

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I very much doubt Freeway would have appreciated your diplomatic skills. Alienating honest well-meaning customers is a sure-fire route to failure. I have not read your ‘thousands of posts’ but if they were as arrogant, unsympathetic and wrongheaded as the above, I would hazard that they would have done more damage to the brand than whatever good you believed you were contibuting. But maybe you only recently became a resentful bully.

If so one wonders why, if you have not lost employment here.

If you read our posts properly, instead of shooting your mouth into your foot, you will notice that both Historian and I went to Softpress with our wallets open. As honest customers. We didn’t buy upgrades before because we didn’t need them yet. Would you buy a mandocello? Or hair curlers? Or a spare engine for a 747? I suspect not.

Don’t blame us for Freeway’s failure. I may not be as clever at programming websites as you are, but that does not lay me open to abuse. For all you know I may posess skills that you could only dream of. Not that it would matter one jot.

Your knowledge of the Freeway architecture is utterly irrelevant in this discussion. Freeway was succesful because it appealed to non-coding designers. But then that very USP became a millstone. And no amount of new features was going to develop that saturated market - eroded, I suspect, by wordpress. Sometimes the function of a website is more important than its code. Actually always. Don’t shoot the messenger and don’t expect respect when you behave like a ten-year-old.


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Thomas - “idiots rushing in, commenting in an outrageous and suffering way for an application that they don’t understand anyway!”

No-one said that Freeway customers should understand every nuance of the program to use it. There was no exam to be passed before we were allowed to spend our money on the product.

I bought Freeway 1. It did what I wanted it to do, so I learned how to use it to my advantage, and have continued to do so ever since. This does not make me an idiot. It makes me a customer.

If you don’t understand that, and if this forum has been full of such outrageous, spiteful and brutal attacks on honest people asking for help then I’m not surprised that Freeway died.

You should both be ashamed of yourselves - though I doubt either you have the capacity.

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‘thousands of posts’ but if they were as arrogant, unsympathetic and wrongheaded as the above, I would hazard that they would have done more damage to the brand than whatever good you believed you were contibuting. But maybe you only recently became a resentful bully.

2.859 - to be precise. And this one.

Yes - they’re all arrogant and mostly unsympathetic - it’s the pain being an asshole. I stand for it. But they are not wrongheaded, at least most of them!

If you read our posts properly …

If you might read them yourself, you may have recognized that some of them are already from me!

Don’t blame us for Freeway’s failure.

You’re part of - not more not less!

Your knowledge of the Freeway architecture is utterly irrelevant in this discussion. Freeway was succesful because it appealed to non-coding designers. But then that very USP became a millstone. And no amount of new features was going to develop that saturated market - eroded, I suspect, by wordpress. Sometimes the function of a website is more important than its code. Actually always. Don’t shoot the messenger and don’t expect respect when you behave like a ten-year-old.

It’s its content - nothing else. And the way you represent it. Nothing to do with code. Adult enough?

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“It’s its content - nothing else. And the way you represent it. Nothing to do with code. Adult enough?”

Absolutely, so why dump on people just because they don’t understand all the technical nooks and crannies - most of which they never wanted or needed?

My comments were to The Big E.

We are NOT part of Freeways’s failure. It is outrageous that you should even think that. Do you have an old coat you like, perhaps, that maybe you bough in a shop that since went out of business? You blaming me for Softpress going down is the same as me blaming you for the shop closing. I had a product that did what I wanted. I knew I would have to upgrade when I eventually moved to El Capitan, so I when the moment came I came with my money to upgrade. But the door was shut. Not my fault - and it’s is shocking that you and Ernest should ever think it was.

Please go into a quiet corner and think about what you did.


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How do I stop emails from coming in from this the posts.
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Click on the bottom-most link in the Web view of the mailing list. Locate the list memberships portion of the form, un-check Mail next to the lists where it is checked. Press the Update Memberships button. The mail should stop, although you will be able to post to the list and read replies through the Web interface. I believe (but can’t confirm) that you may also still be able to create new threads by sending a new mail message to the list address, but you just won’t get any updates from it.

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How do I stop emails from coming in from this the posts.
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Frankly downright rude comments like these have no place on this forum which until recently had been a very friendly community. If you can’t reply in a polite manner then maybe it is best not to comment at all.

We all use Freeway in our own way and to continue to misrepresent how Freeway can/should be used does nobody any favours. Yes your contributions to this forum have been extremely interesting and very useful but the recent bitter attacks are totally uncalled for. All it achieves is to drive people away from this community and I can’t see how that benefits anyone.

If you don’t have anything positive and polite to say then please don’t press the ‘send’ button. As Thomas said is a previous post, maybe "End of transmission and out!” should have been taken literally.

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On 22 Aug 2016, at 9:36pm, The Big Erns email@hidden wrote:

So lecture away mister “pity me, give me free stuff”. You and mister “twat” are now in charge f this community.

And in case anyone else is confused, I was never a member of Team Freeway. That was their mistake.

On 22 Aug 2016, at 9:55pm, Thomas Kimmich email@hidden wrote:

It would spare us many idiots rushing in, commenting in an outrageous and suffering way for an application that they don’t understand anyway!


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Is there anywhere I can still get a copy of the last version in the 6.xx series of FWP?

I’ve got a serial - in fact the reason I discovered Softpress had put up the shutters is because I was looking at upgrading to V7, but that’s no longer an option.

I’m not a web designer, my original attraction to FWP was when I was doing a PhD. Being able to create a decent looking site without having to learn code was a major plus point. Not that I couldn’t have learnt code, but the time it would take would be a distraction from other activities.

Very sad news. I had a lot of help from the folks here back in the day and I did once drop into Softpress towers and met the crew. Lovely friendly bunch of people.


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I think the latest version of Freeway Pro 6 was 6.1.2 (Oct 2013);
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/795566/softpress/downloads/Freeway6Pro612.zip https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/795566/softpress/downloads/Freeway6Pro612.zip
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Is there anywhere I can still get a copy of the last version in the 6.xx series of FWP?


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Thanks Tim. I think my original download got lost in the transfer to a new machine.


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I wanted to say that no one has contributed more to these boards than Thomas and Big Erns. (Others have also contributed as much as they have, like Walt, Caleb, etc…). Have they at times expressed a bit of frustration with some of us? Yes. Has it likely been deserved to some degree? I’d also say yes. Has it stung at times at those where it as aimed? Probably.

But writing them off becuase of that isn’t fair to them. Ernie has helped me immensely over the years, as has Thomas and others. I think that probably there are a few holes in Ernie’s wall where he punched his wall after reading my questions to his responses. Or bruises on is head where he pounded it on his desk.

Ernie, I’m sorry for that! But give them a break. They have given an enormous amount and their frustration has, to my mind, been becuase of the split between us WIYIWYG folks and those who saw Freeway as a gateway to greater and better things.

Imagine Walt, who it sounds like didn’t even use Freeway any more spending hours of his time answering questions. Or Ernie who had better things to do with a program he used part of but still gave a hand to those of us downhill from him. Thomas sounds like he used it morel than the other two but certainly didn’t have to contribute all he did. Same for Caleb and… the list is quite long.

Though at times their comments on the board were rebukes, to my mind they were more expressing an opinion and I never really saw it as attacking others.

As I’ve moved on to Sparkle I realize how out of my depth I was with Freeway and the need for actions and coding to get it where they wanted it to be. And I feel a bit bad for wasting their time when their response should have been to go back to the kiddy pool. And they would have been right to do it. Again, “what was Freeway and who was it for” is not a simple or clear question.

So, thanks to Ernie and Thomas, Walt and everyone else. You made things better for us and that’s where we need to leave things as this all winds down. I’m grateful to you all.

Frankly downright rude comments like these have no place on this forum which until recently had been a very friendly community. If you can’t reply in a polite manner then maybe it is best not to comment at all.


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