[Pro] El Capitan's Safari Preview Is Worse

I just upgraded to OS 10.11.1, El Capitan. Now I notice that Previewing a Freeway page in Safari is worse than before. I used to be able to grab the lower right corner of the Safari Preview page and pull it to the left and watch how my newly mobilized page changes at smaller breakpoints. But now the Safari in El Capitan won’t allow nearly as much narrowing of the Preview width to check my work at smaller breakpoints.

Thankfully, Firefox still allows me to narrow the Preview page to a very narrow width. So I’ve changed my default Preview browser to Firefox. No big deal, I guess, but it seems that Safari in OS 10.11.1 has lost some narrowing functionality in Preview.

http://www.jimfeeney.org/supernaturalsignswillfollow.htm


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I had this problem in even earlier versions of Safari. The trick I found to get really narrow windows is to open the sidebar. The minimum is on the outermost window frame. The sidebar eats some of that width so what remains for the main viewing area can be made ultra narrow.

Walter

On Nov 21, 2015, at 2:50 PM, Jim Feeney email@hidden wrote:

I just upgraded to OS 10.11.1, El Capitan. Now I notice that Previewing a Freeway page in Safari is worse than before. I used to be able to grab the lower right corner of the Safari Preview page and pull it to the left and watch how my newly mobilized page changes at smaller breakpoints. But now the Safari in El Capitan won’t allow nearly as much narrowing of the Preview width to check my work at smaller breakpoints.

Thankfully, Firefox still allows me to narrow the Preview page to a very narrow width. So I’ve changed my default Preview browser to Firefox. No big deal, I guess, but it seems that Safari in OS 10.11.1 has lost some narrowing functionality in Preview.

http://www.jimfeeney.org/supernaturalsignswillfollow.htm


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Good tip, Walter. Thanks. Seems like an easy(?) problem for the Safari programmers to fix, since the sidebar (to me, at least) is distracting. Thankfully, Firefox works just fine in this regard in 10.11.1.


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Seems like an easy(?) problem for the Safari programmers to fix

Is it a problem? For 99.9% of users it isn’t an issue. People in the real world dont do that sort of thing - only web developers!

And if you do then there are plenty of plug-ins and extensions such as https://safari-extensions.apple.com/details/?id=net.mehlau.safari.resizewindow-E72AQ76645

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And for those developers who update to El Capitan, the Responsive Design Mode in Safari is EXCELLENT! I just tried it (upgraded today) and WOW.

Walter

On Nov 21, 2015, at 6:21 PM, DeltaDave email@hidden wrote:

Seems like an easy(?) problem for the Safari programmers to fix

Is it a problem? For 99.9% of users it isn’t an issue. People in the real world dont do that sort of thing - only web developers!

And if you do then there are plenty of plug-ins and extensions such as https://safari-extensions.apple.com/details/?id=net.mehlau.safari.resizewindow-E72AQ76645

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Just as a word of warning for those tempted to upgrade to el Capitan to benefit from this, make sure you have a full back up of your computer before you take that step, if you rely on Mail as your email application I personally would not bother.

Mail in El Capitan is a mess for many people and can cause you a lot of wasted time and issues leaving no option but to wind back to that last saved copy of your computer. Practically every comment on the App store I get access to is because of issues with El Capitan and many on Apple support are having similar Mail issues. I have several email addresses and my server blocked out my computers network IP 3 times over a period of 45 minutes because mail messed up most of my email account settings and would not save the changes no matter what the ‘Apple forced in your face settings’ where changed to, Mail app pinged my server so many times the server was continually locking me out, thankfully I have full access management to my server but most people don’t and this would be a nightmare for most.

Not trying to put anyone off upgrading but just make sure you have that backup before you do, seriously!

HTH

On 22 Nov 2015, at 12:59 am, Walter Lee Davis email@hidden wrote:

And for those developers who update to El Capitan, the Responsive Design Mode in Safari is EXCELLENT! I just tried it (upgraded today) and WOW.

Walter

On Nov 21, 2015, at 6:21 PM, DeltaDave email@hidden wrote:

Seems like an easy(?) problem for the Safari programmers to fix

Is it a problem? For 99.9% of users it isn’t an issue. People in the real world dont do that sort of thing - only web developers!

And if you do then there are plenty of plug-ins and extensions such as https://safari-extensions.apple.com/details/?id=net.mehlau.safari.resizewindow-E72AQ76645

D


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It’s probably my luck, but I haven’t encountered one single issue switching to El Capitan. Not in Mail, not in Safari, not anywhere. I really am curious what causes this issues for some users out there …

I did a Time Machine backup, did a clean install of 10.11, re-installed the User-folders from Time Machine and re-installed my apps. All works just fine.

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I must say I wish I could say the same, I made sure my permissions where all OK and the drive did not have any issues so thought it would be fine and oh what a mess it left Mail app in! I had several email accounts both IMAP and POP which might have made issues, no idea but I see on the App store there is one good comment for every 9 problem comments, one of the main reasons I made sure the computer had no problems before running the upgrade but ended up loosing about 4 hours trying to fix the issues and then giving up and winding the computer back!

I have several emails addresses for different domains on the same SSL server along with a Gmail account, 3 from my telephone account provider and an old one from another telephone provider, my settings where all over the place in the account settings, wrong port numbers, no passwords, many of the accounts would not let me save my name in the account nor even the email address which had been left as a blank field in some of the accounts. All my accounts had the ‘Auto detect…’ option deselected before the upgrade and El Captian had reselected that option after it was installed. Issues such as the accounts not saving some of the values entered was the same as when I updated to Yosemite, after that upgrade to Yosemite from Mavericks on a new laptop I couldn’t save the values either and had to make several attempts on restarting the computer before that issue sorted itself.

No harm in anyone trying it but they just make sure they make a back up in Time machine so they can take the computer back to just before the update in case there are issues.

On 22 Nov 2015, at 1:52 pm, Richard van Heukelum email@hidden wrote:

It’s probably my luck, but I haven’t encountered one single issue switching to El Capitan. Not in Mail, not in Safari, not anywhere. I really am curious what causes this issues for some users out there …

I did a Time Machine backup, did a clean install of 10.11, re-installed the User-folders from Time Machine and re-installed my apps. All works just fine.

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Just to offer the “I got lucky” counter-example here, the only thing that went sideways in my update was the sound, which got mapped to the Optical out rather than Line out, and the New Mail alert sound was turned off (it had previously been off for certain rules when mail went directly to the trash, but on for all regular mail). That’s the only mail issues I have seen, and I have mail going back 15 years in several accounts, plus many local mailboxes for list filtering. New Mail does not seem to fall over nearly as hard when switching between enormous mailboxes. It appears to lazy-load the messages a few at a time, rather than sit there beach-balled until it could load every last one.

Walter

On Nov 22, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Mike B email@hidden wrote:

No harm in anyone trying it but they just make sure they make a back up in Time machine so they can take the computer back to just before the update in case there are issues.


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