[Pro] End of Freeway

Being in a benighted situation where I am not allowed to hire a staff (which would radically increase revenues) and where we put in precisely 50 hour week, I don’t have time to become a web guru. Because of this, Freeway was a godsend - at least until responsive hit the stage. FW’s approach to responsive was is not as good as it might have been and, like everyone else, I waited to see if they would nail it in 7, but that didn’t happen.

If there is anyone out there – such as Affinity – is up to the challenge of creating a powerful, modern, and user-friendly web app, I would be first in line to buy it.


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Affinity (or Serif.com) have already been doing a “Freeway like” app for years. It’s for PC called WebPlus…

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On 22 Aug 2016, at 22:23, Trey Yancy email@hidden wrote:

If there is anyone out there – such as Affinity – is up to the challenge of creating a powerful, modern, and user-friendly web app, I would be first in line to buy it.


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I, too, never received a message. I was just getting ready to upgrade for an Intel machine (G5 works great, but not Intel of course - is this even still possible??) and have used FW since FW3 and before that it was called something else (Express was, anyway). Seems odd that, having used the same email address for decades, with numerous CS and TS contacts, no word. Surprising, even.

It is indeed sad. I suppose the only alternative is Dreamweaver, which I never liked and don’t even know if it’s still available or even current.

Richard, if you read this - it was good while it lasted. Thank you and the team. - Rick Viehdorfer


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I went to buy the templates for 7 Pro and saw “the end”.
I too did not get a email.


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No email here either - though I always receive the marketing emails and have on occasion even emailed personally with Joe and others at Softpress.

It’s totally depressing but I suppose the writing has been on the wall for a very long time - since responsive design came into being, The UI became more and more obtuse for anyone not familiar with the program to even just get a simple responsive site up and running. Even dropping one’s own content into templates became messy.

But in fairness, for those up to speed FW was an excellent tool - and this list has been one of the most helpful group of people I’ve ever seen - very difficult to replace.

I bought every update, many templates (even though I didn’t use them - just to play with them), bought Exhibeo 1 & 2 - which I really hope will reincarnate from the ashes… maybe under a new owner.


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Found it!

Templates are still available individually or as a bundle - Sept. 04, 2016 at:

http://www.application-systems.co.uk/freeway/extra2.html


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I didn’t get any email either. Really sad news, though. I don’t know which way to take now. I hope FWT keeps on going for some time. Who knows the future?

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If that’s a philosophical question, then I feel what you’re saying! If your question was more about the practical future of FreewayTalk, then that’s been stated publicly by ex-Softpressers that the server will continue to run as long as they have the funds to do so. That could be a very long time, or not.

I set up a Google Groups mailing list at https://groups.google.com/group/freewaytalk as a hedge against the inevitable, back when it seemed as though the lights could go off on this server very soon. That no longer seems to be a thing to worry about, but there is a growing group of Freeway expats there discussing (gasp) hand-coding and CSS and craft, as well as ways to bash Freeway into writing more excellent code. Give it a try as well.

Walter

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Who knows the future?


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Thanks, Walter…
Yes, I believe my question was about both, philosophical and practical future things. Its very good to know we have this Google group to keep. I’ve just joined it.
Thanks again, Walter.

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One has to wonder - if someone might buy up what’s left in the rubble and, if not revitalize it - keep it on life support for a time? Or make it open source? Seems a total waste as there are some very good bits.


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I believe that a lot of these options are being discussed, but remember with the dissolution of a company, there are usually lots of people standing in line with their pay me shirts on, and we will hear about the results after everything else has been wrapped up. I know that the owners and management of Softpress love Freeway unapologetically, and would rather it was out in the world (and updated from time to time). But they have other masters…

Walter

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One has to wonder - if someone might buy up what’s left in the rubble and, if not revitalize it - keep it on life support for a time? Or make it open source? Seems a total waste as there are some very good bits.


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Like you Robert, I’m finalising 2 big projects in FW 7 - one going live this week after MONTHS of work, Bloody typical! Thing is, if I know that I can adjust and edit on FW for next 6 months that will give me time to revaluate things.


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On 4 Aug 2016, 2:59 pm, Andries Kuipers wrote:

As far as I know has every Softpress customer received an email or notice
from its local distributor. You didn’t?

2016-08-04 16:36 GMT+02:00 Steve Ainsworth

I am gutted, this is the first of me knowing of the demise of FW. As with others, if I hadn’t come on here this morning, for another reason, I would not have known about this. It is getting depressing, the amount of things which build you up and then BOOM!!, the rug is pulled from under you and you’re left high and dry. I spent a huge amount of time learning how to use Dream Weaver, but the complication of it caused me to look for an alternative. When I stumbled upon FW, I thought all my problems were solved. I spent HOURS transferring all my existing DW websites over to FW and any new ones were built from scratch using FW. The learning curve for both DW and FW have used up a HUGE amount of my time - now it seems all a big waste of time - I think it’s time for me to retire!


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I have been testing FW7 on sierra and everything seems to work correctly so I would say that if thats the case and the final release of the next OSX comes is similar then I would hazard a guess that we have a few years at least… not just months.

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Likely, but if it works on Sierra, that means you have a year to track down a replacement. You obviously no guarantees that it will work after that.

Some will say that you should probably be cautious about updating your work machine, buyt other apps move on with Apple, and you’ll be wanting to keep up with those too.

The suggestion to make a virtual machine with an Apple OS that works with FW 7 has been mentioned many times before, or keep an older machine around with Freeway on just in case.

Also, Freeway 7 will become more and more irrelevant as the Web moves on. What clients want now can be delivered by Freeway, but what about the next big thing after we’ve all done our responsive duties? Will Freeway 7 be able to do that?

We have to be prepared to see a Freeway-free future, unless it really is rescued and revitalised.

On 6 Sep 2016, 9:05 pm, max wrote:

I have been testing FW7 on sierra and everything seems to work correctly so I would say that if thats the case and the final release of the next OSX comes is similar then I would hazard a guess that we have a few years at least… not just months.

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For anyone who’s interested in an alternative for FW Pro:

after questioning Cazoobi LTD, manufacturer of Blocs, will offer you a

15% discount for Freeway users, for a limited time.
See: http://blocsapp.com/

Send a mail to email@hidden , mention their offer and you will
receive a one-time, non transmissible individual discount code when
purchasing Blocsapp.

Blocs is update to Version 2.2. and has now also several options for CMS
included.

Andries

2016-09-12 11:05 GMT+02:00 Paul email@hidden:

Likely, but if it works on Sierra, that means you have a year to track
down a replacement. You obviously no guarantees that it will work after
that.

Some will say that you should probably be cautious about updating your
work machine, buyt other apps move on with Apple, and you’ll be wanting to
keep up with those too.

The suggestion to make a virtual machine with an Apple OS that works with
FW 7 has been mentioned many times before, or keep an older machine around
with Freeway on just in case.

Also, Freeway 7 will become more and more irrelevant as the Web moves on.
What clients want now can be delivered by Freeway, but what about the next
big thing after we’ve all done our responsive duties? Will Freeway 7 be
able to do that?

We have to be prepared to see a Freeway-free future, unless it really is
rescued and revitalised.

On 6 Sep 2016, 9:05 pm, max wrote:

I have been testing FW7 on sierra and everything seems to work
correctly so I would say that if thats the case and the final release of
the next OSX comes is similar then I would hazard a guess that we have a
few years at least… not just months.

max


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If the mailadress should get obfuscated…

support at blocsapp dot com…

better written down this way?

Andries

2016-09-12 13:38 GMT+02:00 email@hidden:

For anyone who’s interested in an alternative for FW Pro:

after questioning Cazoobi LTD, manufacturer of Blocs, will offer you a

15% discount for Freeway users, for a limited time.
See: http://blocsapp.com/

Send a mail to email@hidden , mention their offer and you will
receive a one-time, non transmissible individual discount code when
purchasing Blocsapp.

Blocs is update to Version 2.2. and has now also several options for CMS
included.

Andries

2016-09-12 11:05 GMT+02:00 Paul email@hidden:

Likely, but if it works on Sierra, that means you have a year to track
down a replacement. You obviously no guarantees that it will work after
that.

Some will say that you should probably be cautious about updating your
work machine, buyt other apps move on with Apple, and you’ll be wanting to
keep up with those too.

The suggestion to make a virtual machine with an Apple OS that works with
FW 7 has been mentioned many times before, or keep an older machine around
with Freeway on just in case.

Also, Freeway 7 will become more and more irrelevant as the Web moves on.
What clients want now can be delivered by Freeway, but what about the next
big thing after we’ve all done our responsive duties? Will Freeway 7 be
able to do that?

We have to be prepared to see a Freeway-free future, unless it really is
rescued and revitalised.

On 6 Sep 2016, 9:05 pm, max wrote:

I have been testing FW7 on sierra and everything seems to work
correctly so I would say that if thats the case and the final release of
the next OSX comes is similar then I would hazard a guess that we have a
few years at least… not just months.

max


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The trick to get around the formatter here is to replace the @ with (a). That gets you out of the email @ address replacement, as well as leaves it as a fully clickable mailto link.

Walter

On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:38 PM, email@hidden wrote:

If the mailadress should get obfuscated…

support at blocsapp dot com…

better written down this way?

Andries

2016-09-12 13:38 GMT+02:00 email@hidden:

For anyone who’s interested in an alternative for FW Pro:

after questioning Cazoobi LTD, manufacturer of Blocs, will offer you a

15% discount for Freeway users, for a limited time.
See: http://blocsapp.com/

Send a mail to email@hidden , mention their offer and you will
receive a one-time, non transmissible individual discount code when
purchasing Blocsapp.

Blocs is update to Version 2.2. and has now also several options for CMS
included.

Andries

2016-09-12 11:05 GMT+02:00 Paul email@hidden:

Likely, but if it works on Sierra, that means you have a year to track
down a replacement. You obviously no guarantees that it will work after
that.

Some will say that you should probably be cautious about updating your
work machine, buyt other apps move on with Apple, and you’ll be wanting to
keep up with those too.

The suggestion to make a virtual machine with an Apple OS that works with
FW 7 has been mentioned many times before, or keep an older machine around
with Freeway on just in case.

Also, Freeway 7 will become more and more irrelevant as the Web moves on.
What clients want now can be delivered by Freeway, but what about the next
big thing after we’ve all done our responsive duties? Will Freeway 7 be
able to do that?

We have to be prepared to see a Freeway-free future, unless it really is
rescued and revitalised.

On 6 Sep 2016, 9:05 pm, max wrote:

I have been testing FW7 on sierra and everything seems to work
correctly so I would say that if thats the case and the final release of
the next OSX comes is similar then I would hazard a guess that we have a
few years at least… not just months.

max


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Also, Freeway 7 will become more and more irrelevant as the Web moves on. What clients want now can be delivered by Freeway, but what about the next big thing after we’ve all done our responsive duties? Will Freeway 7 be able to do that?

If this would have been written back in 2011/2012 I would have had agreed in all points.

Fact is, that parts of us started to do “current standards” back in tose days. Unfortunately we never had the chance to discuss it, enhance ours or the audience skills because none ever asked for. Instead we fucking discussed “positioning” and “layer hide/show” way too long.

So the precise term is:

This audience become irrelevant, not the app! And this audience won’t survive in any alternative application.

Cheers

Thomas


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Thanks Walter for your welcome tip!

2016-09-12 23:21 GMT+02:00 Thomas Kimmich email@hidden:

Also, Freeway 7 will become more and more irrelevant as the Web moves
on. What clients want now can be delivered by Freeway, but what about the
next big thing after we’ve all done our responsive duties? Will Freeway 7
be able to do that?

If this would have been written back in 2011/2012 I would have had agreed
in all points.

Fact is, that parts of us started to do “current standards” back in tose
days. Unfortunately we never had the chance to discuss it, enhance ours or
the audience skills because none ever asked for. Instead we fucking
discussed “positioning” and “layer hide/show” way too long.

So the precise term is:

This audience become irrelevant, not the app! And this audience won’t
survive in any alternative application.

Cheers

Thomas


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