Feel free to go to my Contact page and look at the map at the bottom of the screen.
What’s going on here? If I downsize the map itself the text seems to be contained within the map’s boundaries, but when made a little larger…well, you can see wht happens.
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Are you talking about this text:
Imagery ©2009 DigitalGlobe, USDA Farm Service Agency, The Florida Department of Environmental Protection, GeoEye, U.S. Geological Survey, Map data ©2009 Google
If you set the default map to ‘Map’ and the default zoom less than you have - then all that blurb wont be generated. I think it is in deference to the USDA who probably provided the images at the scale that you have it set to.
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Indeed, that’s exactly what happens… but if I have the key shouldn’t I be able to set it up in whatever way I want? Perhaps a problem with the action?
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On Jan 2, 2010, at 7:54 PM, DeltaDave wrote:
Are you talking about this text:
Imagery ©2009 DigitalGlobe, USDA Farm Service Agency, The Florida Department of Environmental Protection, GeoEye, U.S. Geological Survey, Map data ©2009 Google
If you set the default map to ‘Map’ and the default zoom less than you have - then all that blurb wont be generated. I think it is in deference to the USDA who probably provided the images at the scale that you have it set to.
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You might be able to stop it happening at the zoom level you want by creating a style #fwGeneratedMap1 with the Extended attributes overflow:hidden
The ID of the div that the map is in is fwGeneratedMap1
But this is untried and untested.
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Ha! An also foreign to me! But maybe we’ll talk about it some more.
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On Jan 2, 2010, at 8:06 PM, DeltaDave wrote:
You might be able to stop it happening at the zoom level you want by creating a style #fwGeneratedMap1 with the Extended attributes overflow:hidden
The ID of the div that the map is in is fwGeneratedMap1
But this is untried and untested.
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but if I have the key shouldn’t I be able to set it up in whatever way I want?
The Key doesn’t give you the right to use the map without the copyright info though. The same zoom level on the maps.google page generates the same text.
It is unusual for there to be so much text attached but it may also be a breach of use to cut it short!
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Quickie Bart
You have the address as Illinois 32960 - is that correct? Is there an Illinois in Florida?
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This from the Google Maps API sign up page
“You may not alter or obscure the logos or attribution on the map.”
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Uh, no. Where do you see that? In the Page code?
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Quickie Bart
You have the address as Illinois 32960 - is that correct? Is there an Illinois in Florida?
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Gotcha.
It’s just that I can implement Google Maps in FIleMaker Pro using the built in Web Viewer and design the query so as none of the extraneous stuff is included.
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On Jan 2, 2010, at 8:30 PM, DeltaDave wrote:
This from the Google Maps API sign up page
“You may not alter or obscure the logos or attribution on the map.”
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so as none of the extraneous stuff is included.
Thats as maybe but it does clearly tell you as part of the agreement that “You may not alter or obscure the logos or attribution on the map.”
What are the chances that Google would bother about a site like yours that breaks the agreement - probably very small, but there is always the risk. And you don’t really want to upset any MoJo that Google can give you.
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David -
You misunderstand.
FileMaker Pro already has a license with Google. Besides, the application I’m talking about is one that’s used on a LAN only and not open to the internet.
What I was referring to was the ability to remove all information like that outsizing the map coords using what FileMaker allows you to do within its webviewer.
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On Jan 3, 2010, at 6:10 AM, DeltaDave wrote:
so as none of the extraneous stuff is included.
Thats as maybe but it does clearly tell you as part of the agreement that “You may not alter or obscure the logos or attribution on the map.”
What are the chances that Google would bother about a site like yours that breaks the agreement - probably very small, but there is always the risk. And you don’t really want to upset any MoJo that Google can give you.
My2c
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Sometime around 3/1/10 (at 10:10 -0500) Bart Bartholomay said:
What I was referring to was the ability to remove all information
like that outsizing the map coords
I think Dave’s note earlier about making a style that sets the
overflow of the relevant div to ‘hidden’ is worth trying:
–
You might be able to stop it happening at the zoom level you want by
creating a style #fwGeneratedMap1 with the Extended attributes
overflow:hidden
–
Select the map object and check the name, then make a style of that
name, with the hash symbol at the start.
It seems from what you say that FileMaker makes this easy to do
because the company has negotiated a product use-wide license with
Google. (It wouldn’t be to do with LAN vs. Internet-accessible
deployment; that doesn’t change copyright. Although that might have
made FileMaker’s negotiations easier.)
I wouldn’t be too concerned about this causing issues with most
sites, although it is worth noting that without prior agreements this
is probably, technically, breaking the terms of the license we agree
to in order to use Google Maps in our (non-FileMaker) sites in the
first place.
A bit like what I’ve done to hide the Blogger bar at the top of
Blogger-hosted blogs. 
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the application I’m talking about is one that’s used on a LAN only and not open to the internet.
I assumed that because the map was on your own site that WAS the application you were talking about.
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Wait a sec.
I’m not advocating doing anything out-of-license. If you’ve taken a look at my site recently you’ll see how I’ve handled the text issue. This was done per Dave’s comments before. Rather than just leave this in as a work-around, I though I’d investigate a little more to see if there was another way around it.
There isn’t AFAIK, but I’ll give the overflow attribute a try and see if I can get it to stop (thus allowing a greater zoom-in without text overflow). Thanks.
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On Jan 3, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Keith Martin wrote:
Sometime around 3/1/10 (at 10:10 -0500) Bart Bartholomay said:
What I was referring to was the ability to remove all information like that outsizing the map coords
I think Dave’s note earlier about making a style that sets the overflow of the relevant div to ‘hidden’ is worth trying:
–
You might be able to stop it happening at the zoom level you want by creating a style #fwGeneratedMap1 with the Extended attributes overflow:hidden
–
Select the map object and check the name, then make a style of that name, with the hash symbol at the start.
It seems from what you say that FileMaker makes this easy to do because the company has negotiated a product use-wide license with Google. (It wouldn’t be to do with LAN vs. Internet-accessible deployment; that doesn’t change copyright. Although that might have made FileMaker’s negotiations easier.)
I wouldn’t be too concerned about this causing issues with most sites, although it is worth noting that without prior agreements this is probably, technically, breaking the terms of the license we agree to in order to use Google Maps in our (non-FileMaker) sites in the first place.
A bit like what I’ve done to hide the Blogger bar at the top of Blogger-hosted blogs.
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Nope. I have several LAN solutions out there where the CRM portion allows a user to map a client’s address and get directions to it.
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On Jan 3, 2010, at 11:10 AM, DeltaDave wrote:
the application I’m talking about is one that’s used on a LAN only and not open to the internet.
I assumed that because the map was on your own site that WAS the application you were talking about.
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Sometime around 3/1/10 (at 11:12 -0500) Bart Bartholomay said:
I’m not advocating doing anything out-of-license.
I understand that you’re aiming to do things legitimately and
correctly. However, read this again, taken from the TOC:
“You may not […] delete, obscure, or in any manner alter any
warning, notice (including but not limited to any copyright or other
proprietary rights notice), or link that appears in the Products or
the Content”
So… if you aren’t working within a blanket special agreement (such
as the arrangement we’re currently assuming is set up between Google
and FileMaker), you are not allowed to do anything at all to ‘obscure
any notice’.
Logically, that would include using overflow:hidden to stop
overflowed content from displaying.
However, personally, I’m not against doing that in this sort of case.
Although I’m not arguing that attribution shouldn’t be made I think
the current behaviour, where a line of text is spewed out across the
page, is ludicrous. There ought to be a short form that fits into
small map sizes that links to the full form of the info.
If you’ve taken a look at my site recently you’ll see how I’ve
handled the text issue.
At the moment you’re avoiding it simply by starting zoomed out. If I
zoom in to the previous level that long attribution string appears
once more.
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Keith,
You are certainly a master of the obvious. Jeesh… enough is enough.
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On Jan 3, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Keith Martin wrote:
Sometime around 3/1/10 (at 11:12 -0500) Bart Bartholomay said:
I’m not advocating doing anything out-of-license.
I understand that you’re aiming to do things legitimately and correctly. However, read this again, taken from the TOC:
“You may not […] delete, obscure, or in any manner alter any warning, notice (including but not limited to any copyright or other proprietary rights notice), or link that appears in the Products or the Content”
So… if you aren’t working within a blanket special agreement (such as the arrangement we’re currently assuming is set up between Google and FileMaker), you are not allowed to do anything at all to ‘obscure any notice’.
Logically, that would include using overflow:hidden to stop overflowed content from displaying.
However, personally, I’m not against doing that in this sort of case. Although I’m not arguing that attribution shouldn’t be made I think the current behaviour, where a line of text is spewed out across the page, is ludicrous. There ought to be a short form that fits into small map sizes that links to the full form of the info.
If you’ve taken a look at my site recently you’ll see how I’ve handled the text issue.
At the moment you’re avoiding it simply by starting zoomed out. If I zoom in to the previous level that long attribution string appears once more.
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You are certainly a master of the obvious. Jeesh… enough is enough.
I’ve barely begun! See what you’ve unleashed?
(But seriously, you were contradicting yourself a tad… 
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Let me clarify…
You started by misunderstanding what I was talking about, bringing in paradigms that didn’t relate, and accusing me, now, of contradicting myself.
Look back at everything “I” said. There is nothing that contradicts anything. I was only trying to learn about the capabilities of the FW 5 Pro Google Map Action. Nothing more. I related that in a LAN-only scenario I am able to design the map pretty much how I want. I never denied that FMP has a enterprise license for this. I also believe, as I’ve used the API keys in the past, that any web site back-ended and/or paged by FileMaker Pro more than likely needs to utilize the API key separately for that domain. Since I don’t have ANY, and that includes my own site, that fall into that category I can’t be sure about it.
So, to clarify, re-read the entire thread, and if you still think I contradicted myself, write me backchannel and we’ll discuss it rather than take up anymore of this lists valuable time and space.
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On Jan 3, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Keith Martin wrote:
You are certainly a master of the obvious. Jeesh… enough is enough.
I’ve barely begun! See what you’ve unleashed?
(But seriously, you were contradicting yourself a tad…
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