[Pro] Neither Express nor Pro generates good code!

I only have prepared two small netpages previously. Now my daughter needed to get pages for her smaller enterprice. She sells staircasesfor ex. like that http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.stairsuk.co.uk/assets/images/stairs/brooklyn_staircase.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.stairsuk.co.uk/stairs-brooklyn.html&h=783&w=700&sz=67&tbnid=TJWBH7TFFrxu8M:&tbnh=143&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstaircase&zoom=1&q=staircase&usg=__hm3HnWPaU6ZVZMHo72n28pLE-y4=&sa=X&ei=7rN4TYnXLs2Oswbkv8njBw&ved=0CEIQ9QEwBQ

This time I used Freeway Express to prepare the pages in my G4 PPC with OS 10.4.11 Tiger. I noticed that some explorers did not show the pages in the right way, but I thought that the reason for it was that I used an older Freeway version 5.4…

Now I have received an other Mac-computer with OS 10.6…
Snow Leopard so I decided to buy Freeway Pro 5.5 and did that. I transfered my work from Freeway Express 5.4… to my new computer with Freeway Pro 5.5 and continued.

But the results are even more erroneous than in the time I used Exprerss 5.4. …

I hope you are kind enough to look at my pages on
www.porrascenter.com
so you se what I mean. It’s strange that especially the Safari does not work well with them. IE, Opera and some linux-explorers work better with them.

What shall I do?
Must I start the whole project a new using only Freeway Pro 5.5. ?

I would greatly appreciate any advice you could give me.

I have not used CSS but think I can learn them. Do they help me?


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Hi fossiili,

Looking at your site in Safari I can see a couple of things that could be made better - the border image is getting split up and could do with being a background image and the Porrascenter link in the footer has two links applied to it (one on the P and the other on the rest of the word). I’m a little confused by the title of your email as the page code validates perfectly well;

If you can explain what problems are you having I’m sure we can help you get the site back on track.
Regards,
Tim.

On 10 Mar 2011, at 11:41, fossiili wrote:

I hope you are kind enough to look at my pages on
www.porrascenter.com
so you se what I mean. It’s strange that especially the Safari does not work well with them. IE, Opera and some linux-explorers work better with them.

What shall I do?

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Thank you for your answer. I will read it carefully and think about it.

By the way: The validating of code to be perfect is not the goal. It only tells that the code is following standards. What is a very good thing.

I think that the goal is that the pages work well in the modern browsers.

Unfortunately I do not understand yet what I did in the wrong way when using Freeway. But I know that WysiWyg-editors have it difficult to generate working code in all situations. Perhaps it is a task impossible!


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Hi fossiili,
Freeway will generate perfectly valid code (according to the W3 standards) each and every time you publish or preview your site. I think the issue you are having is that what you wanted is not what you are getting. Freeway does it’s best to take your design and break this down into a structure that it can represent in code while sticking to those standards. Sometimes when items flex (for example when text sizes change) a rigid Freeway layout can start to break apart. Thankfully it is very easy to correct these issues by using background images or layering items.
If you can pinpoint the exact problems you are having in realising your design then it should make it easier for others on this list to recommend possible solutions.
Regards,
Tim.

On 10 Mar 2011, at 12:21, fossiili wrote:

By the way: The validating of code to be perfect is not the goal. It only tells that the code is following standards. What is a very good thing.

I think that the goal is that the pages work well in the modern browsers.

Unfortunately I do not understand yet what I did in the wrong way when using Freeway. But I know that WysiWyg-editors have it difficult to generate working code in all situations. Perhaps it is a task impossible!

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It is not easy to discover what is wrong without seeing the original file you have created, but as a starting point, fossilli, take a look at all the items on each page in the Inspector. At a guess, as you started with FW Express, the items are not layered, so are pushing each other out of the way. If the content does not fully fit the container, this alone may cause gaps and text generation in different browsers will also expand the underlying table structure Freeway has created. (Try Item > Fit Box to Content in the main Menu for a ‘tight’ fit).

Also, in the Inspector, for each item, click the Layer checkbox and see if that makes a difference. This result may still not be perfect and you may find some items overlap more than you want, but these can be adjusted. If you don’t see the Layer check box, the Item may be set within another container. Go to the Site panel and drag the title of that Item to the left to make it a stand alone layer and not a child of another one.

Before you add any new Items, click the CSS Layout button in the Toolbar so that the words below it read “CSS Layout”. All new Items will now be layers, but this will not affect items already on the page from your original design.

Re-upload your web site and see if the elements fit better and, if so, tell us when it is done. I am sure someone on this forum will help you with the next stage of improving the overall format or look further into your problem.

Colin

On 10 Mar 2011, at 12:33, Tim Plumb wrote:

Hi fossiili,
Freeway will generate perfectly valid code (according to the W3 standards) each and every time you publish or preview your site. I think the issue you are having is that what you wanted is not what you are getting. Freeway does it’s best to take your design and break this down into a structure that it can represent in code while sticking to those standards. Sometimes when items flex (for example when text sizes change) a rigid Freeway layout can start to break apart. Thankfully it is very easy to correct these issues by using background images or layering items.
If you can pinpoint the exact problems you are having in realising your design then it should make it easier for others on this list to recommend possible solutions.
Regards,
Tim.

On 10 Mar 2011, at 12:21, fossiili wrote:

By the way: The validating of code to be perfect is not the goal. It only tells that the code is following standards. What is a very good thing.

I think that the goal is that the pages work well in the modern browsers.

Unfortunately I do not understand yet what I did in the wrong way when using Freeway. But I know that WysiWyg-editors have it difficult to generate working code in all situations. Perhaps it is a task impossible!

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Thank you very much for your answer. I greatly appreciate it. Ill apply your advice later but at the moment I have to get the pages to work somehow, the small “errors” do not matter much and I can do the repairing later.

I will tell here how I succeed in that later.

See you!


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The main thing is that at the moment all of your pages have been constructed with the CSS layout button off (Table Layout).

For best WSIWYG results select each item on your pages and change them to be layered items and then with the CSS Layout set to on every new item you create will be layered.

David


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I’ve seen the original file.

As you’ve said, the problems are easily corrected by using layered elements.


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“the problems are easily corrected by using layered elements.” Thank you all! The minor corrections needed I will do later when I have more time. It was nice to find a Freeway “logo” which I used to decorate my page http://www.porrascenter.com/kumppanit.html


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