It is a bit annoying that when I change something on a page, FW re-publish and uploads a few other pages too. Not pages where I used global setting or something. What other causes or reasons can FW force to do that? It is annoying especially processes take so much longer.
Thanks!
Paul
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It’s a particular problem with pages designated .php, I’ve noticed.
One of my sites uses WebYep extensively and a change to, say, a
graphic on just a single, plain HTML page still triggers a lengthy
publish and upload cycle. Could FW be coded to recognise when a PHP
page has not been changed or is it to do with the way PHP acts on the
page?
Colin
On 26 Apr 2010, at 05:58, paulvw wrote:
It is a bit annoying that when I change something on a page, FW re-
publish and uploads a few other pages too. Not pages where I used
global setting or something. What other causes or reasons can FW
force to do that? It is annoying especially processes take so much
longer.
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Could FW be coded to recognise when a PHP page has not been changed
or is it to do with the way PHP acts on the page?
PHP doesn’t act on a page until it is served up by the web server; I
don’t think that’s actually a factor.
One reason why ‘other’ pages are uploaded by Freeway is because
something on those pages referenced a page that has a name change.
Another is because they use a page action that makes this happen
regardless of actual changes. Or maybe a style that’s used in those
pages has been edited? There will be a reason, although sometimes it
can be somewhat hard to spot.
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On 26 Apr 2010, 2:51 pm, thatkeith wrote:
Another is because they use a page action that makes this happen regardless of actual changes.
I’ve seen this in spades. Use the Go To Page Action and every page that contains it will be republished regardless of the change. Change one punctuation character on one page, and the entire folder might be republished.
Crazy.
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It is indeed not only on PHP pages and WebYep.
As Keith says, it is hard to spot.
The lack of ‘control’ of publishing, re-publishing, uploading etc is one of the weak spots in FW. A trmendous amount of time is wasted because of that. Especially when you find out that after publishing, the document needs a ‘publish everyhting’ when certain actions (show/hide layer) fail and only works again after a ‘publish everything’.
Yes, it is annoying 
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Yes, it is annoying
Although it is also a part of how Freeway takes care of the fiddly
details for you. If you change something that impacts on other pages
you don’t have to know that and remember to upload those pages as
well. That’s the magic. The problem is that some things provoke this
kind of behaviour without us realising.
And some things do this because of weaknesses in things such as
action behaviour, which can, with some things, make Freeway uncertain
about what has and hasn’t changed. And as it hates to screw up by not
uploading something it should… up it goes! It takes a ‘better safe
than sorry’ approach if it isn’t certain.
I’m not apologising for this upload enthusiasm; I get hit by it
sometimes myself. But it can help to understand why Freeway
sometimes uploads more things than you thought it would.
Like 'most everyone else I’d like a more fine-grained control over
uploading. But I have no idea how it would work without getting
clunky.
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Part of the issue for me is that uploading is a modal process. That is
to say that if Freeway could upload while you worked away on the site
then even when it did have to upload everything it’s not going to stop
you totally in your tracks.
Having said that there is room for improvement especially when an
action dirties all of the pages in a site without it needing to. At
that point it would be good if you could tell Freeway to reset the
dirty status for a given page or folder.
Regards,
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Just found out after many tests that the pages that need the republish, everytime I do apple-P / even without a change on a page, are the pages with the Scripty Lightbox action.
To me it is so annoying and time consuming that I think I will try to find an alternative to the action or not using it at all. Too bad…
Paul
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