[Pro] Totay lost

Hi Guys (especially Thomas),

Followed your screencasts (Nice work by the way!)
And with my earlier problem in my mind I start allover to build an new box model construction in Freeway 6.

Looks fine I thought, untill I tested it on iPad and Ipad mini;

When I go to the page on the Ipad mini and hold my Ipad portrait it’s Ok, then when I turn my iPad to landscape it still is Ok, but then when I refresh my Browser I get that F**cking extra Background area again (Black) at the right!

There is nothing more on the page then the construction so it has nothing to with relative vs absolute positioning of divs!?!?

In my opinion the construction is OK!?

Erik


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I think I was to fast and find out that I forget to choose the width to device selection

Sorry Guys


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Erik, your real problem is that some of your internal structures are
fixed-width - if I narrow my browser to 768px (the width of a portrait
orientation on an iPad) the page scrolls sideways. This means there is
something there forcing the page to be wider than 768px.

Just one of those items, for example, is a div box named “Area-top1” in
Freeway Pro. It has a fixed width of 962px. I would suggest instead that it
have a MAX-WIDTH setting of 962px instead. And so forth for your other
internal page structures - it’s not for small containers for images
necessarily. This will have the effect of saying those internal content
areas will be as wide as the device will allow up to 962px.

Adjusting the browser window width is a quick and easy way to get a sense
of how things are reacting in your layout.


Ernie Simpson, aka The Big Erns


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Hi Ernie,

I understand, but I want that Area part not full screen, that’s my page and like to have it centered have to be 960px, its nice on a small device but not on a big screen Imac

Changed it now, do you see what I mean?

bye the way look what happens with the grey footer when you hold the Ipad portrait, there is that missing background part again!?


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Okay Erik - you think you did what I suggested but you did not. I SAID
MAX-WIDTH 960PX AND YOU MADE IT WIDTH=100%. There is a huge difference, and
you have not yet learned this most basic element.

It’s such a beautiful day, I going to go enjoy myself now. Good luck with
your project.


Ernie Simpson

On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Erik email@hidden wrote:

Hi Ernie,

I understand, but I want that Area part not full screen, that’s my page
and like to have it centered have to be 960px, its nice on a small device
but not on a big screen Imac

Changed it now, do you see what I mean?

bye the way look what happens with the grey footer when you hold the Ipad
portrait, there is that missing background part again!?


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Hi Erik,

I read this post several times now, but I honestly am not sure what you are after.

One significant point in here is, that you have a “table-structure” within the Section-top2. I wonder why, but I assume either inspector fiddling or css button off.

Fix this first, cause this is causing the side-scroll.

Sit then down and start to review your strategy and make a page plan. With this (drawn on a piece of paper or even a lil PSD file) start to build the sections. I assume 4 are enough.

You can even send me your draft and I’ll build you a proposal.

Without I’m lost in concept and we discuss days and weeks.

Cheers

Thomas


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Thx Ernie,

Sorry, sometimes I have problems with translation,
Understand it, changed it and it works except for the gap in the footer but that I gonna find out myself,

Enjoy your day!


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Okay Erik - you think you did what I suggested but you did not. I SAID
MAX-WIDTH 960PX AND YOU MADE IT WIDTH=100%. There is a huge difference, and
you have not yet learned this most basic element.

It’s such a beautiful day, I going to go enjoy myself now. Good luck with
your project.

C’mon guys - I got for less these days the yellow card from board-referee (not my first one - so I have to pause one game probably).

Let’s try to clarify a couple of things to successfully things for now and the future:

An inline construction can be separated into 3 parts - and that’s the way my screencasts are structured as well:

PHASE 1 - THE STATIC INFLOW CONSTRUCTION

This is the fundamental start. We define widths using a specific value in pixel. In there, no min or max width matters. Only the heights are “flexible”. On mobile devices, we simply display them (as the absolute positioned pages) scaled down.

PHASE 2 - THE DYNAMIC INFLOW CONSTRUCTION

This is what I call a “pre-stage” of later responsiveness. In there, naturally min and max widths matters to prevent you from “wikipedia-full-width-disease”. Honestly, this pre-stage is important but not of much interest cause without the @media steering-wheel, it isn’t a real page concept having cols that are squished like a worm.

PHASE 3 - LET’S GO RESPONSIVE

Phase 2 + @media queries to change widths and floats of those item, that shall appear different on smaller screens.

If I am correctly oriented, the above page-concept is PHASE 1 - correct me if I’m wrong.

So here are my results:

  1. NEVER EVER PLEASE

… use the “slice-image” for bg-images. Whatever magic-trick behind - it simply turns that part into a table-construction. PREPARE bg-images if they do not come up to your expectations. In your case it is much easier. Set the image to bottom - tile horizontal and give the parent container (section) the top-green.

  1. BE CONSEQUENT - CONSTRUCTION RULES, CONTENT LATER

A Box-In-Box Model “à la Thomas” doesn’t know any kind of “absolute” positioning. It does - but not yet, cause we do not need them essentially. So my first thing was to cut out all the “icon-stuff”, placed them on a back-up master and bared the basic construction to the bones.

When I was happy about the appearance of the skeleton on a mobile device, I started to strip them back on their positions. And that’s the current stat:

http://kimmich-dm.de/box-in-box-model/pages/telepuls/

(I’ll send you the artwork back later this day).

FINALLY @all that should know:

Neither I can prove nor I can reproduce it all times, but setting the meta viewport in Freeway is catching thousand flees. Once it works - it is no guarantee that it really does.

I was CONVINCED, that width=device-width is the rule to rock, but on my current (most important responsive client project) I had to even set both to “none” to perfectly work. As I initially built the project on 6.0x I could swear that all was correct, but simply stepping to sixdotone broke this for whatever reason.

No time to venture, but sometimes I think, that a declaration of position:relative as css property (which isn’t really necessary) or even default z-index:0 is causing some kind of troubles.

Boahh - what a post but I hope you got the gist.

Cheers

Thomas


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First to both of you thx for you great support!

I think its not always easy to dive in the mess some guys make and find the right answers. I really appreciate all the time you guys spend on this forum!

@Thomas,
You are right, the idea is a static inflow construction.
I’v build it succesfully before, never had troubles untill now with the view on mobile devices.

I’m going to analyse the file and see if I understand what kind of different setting you did.

Erik


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