[Pro] uploading client site to client server

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I have a site I’ve built for a client which I need to upload to his server so that he can maintain it. He has purchased a copy of Freeway Pro 6 and is ready and waiting. I have been loading the site and its revisions to one of my websites to make them available for review. It looks as though I need to do some reconfiguring to make it possible to move it to his computer so he can upload it to his site. I put the existing site folder on a disk and we tried to upload it to his server yesterday but it kept showing files that it said were unavailable and contained references to my computer files in the pathways. I can’t find any documentation that explains the process I’m trying to implement. Can anyone help clear this up? Thanks - Bob

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Go > File > Save Archive. This will save your freeway file and a copy of all the original images used on the site - much like ‘collect for output’ in quark. This feature is just perfect for moving your files to a different computer - if files are large I would send them via dropbox or we transfer.

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And also, there’s an important thing to realize with Freeway: there are two representations of your site in play here, not just one (as you would have with Dreamweaver or a pure “code editor” like BBEdit.

On your Mac, you have the Freeway document (whatever.freeway) which contains a complete picture of your site, and references to all the original files used in its creation, wherever they may be. This is the true document, the thing that you edit in Freeway when you make changes in the design view.

You also have a local cache of whatever is on your server, referred to as your Site Folder and defined in the File / Document Setup dialog in Freeway. This is a write-only cache, not a true document file. Freeway deletes files from this folder, regenerates them, renames them, all at once during the publish cycle. Then it does a smart “mirror” upload via (S)FTP to your server, replicating all files in both places. But if you make any changes to that local cache outside of Freeway, the files will be replaced by Freeway during the next publish cycle, because they will be considered “damaged”.

So when you upload to your server, you should either use Freeway’s integrated upload facility, or use an (S)FTP application like Transmit to mirror the Site Folder to your host’s site folder (variously named public_html, htdocs, web_root – depends on your hosting and nobody really agrees on the specific name). If you want to share the Freeway file with your client, then you would do the Archive thing that Noel recommends. Zip up the resulting file and sent that to your client by whatever means you like (Dropbox, CD-ROM, E-mail if it’s small enough). But then your client would use that document to upload to the server. The Freeway file itself would never be uploaded to the Web server.

Walter

On Jul 19, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Noel Sergeant wrote:

Go > File > Save Archive. This will save your freeway file and a copy of all the original images used on the site - much like ‘collect for output’ in quark. This feature is just perfect for moving your files to a different computer - if files are large I would send them via dropbox or we transfer.

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Hi Noel and Walter,
I just did the save archive and now have that folder in documents. There are three things in the archive folder - the site, a media folder with images etc. and a site folder with nothing in it. Should there be something in the site folder or not?
Is there someway I can send you a secure link and login and password to the site in its present location on my website in case you need to look at it. I may have set it up wrong? Supposing I do get it transferred to the client’s server, If the client and I are both making additions and or changes to the site does it need to be done from one server or the other or can it work from both? Perhaps I’m misunderstanding it all the way round?
Thanks!

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On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Bob Thomas wrote:

Hi Noel and Walter,
I just did the save archive and now have that folder in documents. There are three things in the archive folder - the site, a media folder with images etc. and a site folder with nothing in it. Should there be something in the site folder or not?

Not until you publish from that document (which is a clone, carefully made so it re-connects with all of the resources now in the Media folder next to it). You now have two copies of the original file, one which remains where it was on your Mac, and which knows about the resources you originally chose, and the new “archive” version. This is important to consider, so you don’t end up with two versions out of synch with one another. Then you get a “last to save wins” situation.

Is there someway I can send you a secure link and login and password to the site in its present location on my website in case you need to look at it. I may have set it up wrong? Supposing I do get it transferred to the client’s server, If the client and I are both making additions and or changes to the site does it need to be done from one server or the other or can it work from both? Perhaps I’m misunderstanding it all the way round?

You don’t upload this archive folder to your server. You send it to your client, and they put it on their Mac. If they make changes from this document, then they will need to send you the revised document (and any new files they added to their Media folder) if you want to continue where they left off. Think of the site on the server as the sheets of paper that come out of the printer. They have no connection back to the Pages document you used to create them. Tearing one up doesn’t remove that page from the Pages document. That’s the way to think about this.

Walter

Thanks!

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Thanks for being so responsive. You’ve always been prompt and it’s much appreciated.

So, I did a publish from “file” on the clone folder and it populated the site folder. Hoping that was correct. I can then put the clone folder on a disk and take it to the client to open and publish to his server from his computer. Right?

Thanks.

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No, take the entire archive folder (outside of that site folder) to your client and put it on his Mac. Then open the clone (Freeway) document in Freeway there and publish within Freeway. Freeway creates HTML files and associated resources, but it very definitely never reads them or considers them when making updates to the site. If you only take the site folder to your client, you will have the equivalent of a nice printed copy of the document, not the document itself. The “print” is read-only – you can’t do anything with it in Freeway.

Walter

On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Bob Thomas wrote:

Thanks for being so responsive. You’ve always been prompt and it’s much appreciated.

So, I did a publish from “file” on the clone folder and it populated the site folder. Hoping that was correct. I can then put the clone folder on a disk and take it to the client to open and publish to his server from his computer. Right?

Thanks.

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I think longterm it might be worth investing some time in implementing a CMS, such as Webyep to allow your client to make changes direct. But obviously there’s a learning curve / time issue there and is somewhat limited depending on what the client intends to change on the site.

Just my 2p worth…

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So, from what I’m reading it sounds as if he has to make changes and send them to me to upload in perpetuity. If I want to walk away from the site and say it’s his for all time is that not possible? Let me explain: This site is for a non-profit foundation. The foundation is soon to become part of a local university and the client wanted the web site designed and created before it moves into their jurisdiction. I never expected to maintain this site past my turning it over to them. They were anxious to go ahead and get it up even though there are some additions yet to be made which I was going to make after publishing it to their server and making it live. Like most clients they just want to assume they can tweak here and there even if they never do. Site maintenance will eventually be up to the IT folks at the university. He is an artist and has some design knowledge. But I am not to be retained to maintain the site. I’ve had him buy the software and If there’s no way for me to hand it off to them I’m in big trouble - Like possibly having to refund design fees etc.

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If you want to hand off the entire project to the client, and the client has purchased Freeway, then simply give them the entire archive file, and you’re done. They will be able to upload it from their Mac after making changes there. You will have whatever version it was when you handed it off, so if ever they stuff it up entirely, you will be able to (for pay) dig them out of their problem.

Walter

On Jul 19, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Bob Thomas wrote:

So, from what I’m reading it sounds as if he has to make changes and send them to me to upload in perpetuity. If I want to walk away from the site and say it’s his for all time is that not possible? Let me explain: This site is for a non-profit foundation. The foundation is soon to become part of a local university and the client wanted the web site designed and created before it moves into their jurisdiction. I never expected to maintain this site past my turning it over to them. They were anxious to go ahead and get it up even though there are some additions yet to be made which I was going to make after publishing it to their server and making it live. Like most clients they just want to assume they can tweak here and there even if they never do. Site maintenance will eventually be up to the IT folks at the university. He is an artist and has some design knowledge. But I am not to be retained to maintain the site. I’ve had him buy the software and If there’s no way for me
to hand it off to them I’m in big trouble - Like possibly having to refund design fees etc.

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Thanks - I appreciate your hanging in there with me. I’m going to suggest that we do at least another 2 weeks of my managing it before we transition. But I think that will work for him.

My best to all of you who replied.

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We got the web site uploaded today but… there are several “action items” missing.

Here is the web address - http://www.lillianesmith.org

Under the Environment - Overview tab in the Lillian E. Smith Center section there are pages for a “flora” gallery and a “fungi” gallery and both galleries are missing. There are several graphic links to pdfs using actions that do not work.

Any idea off hand why they might not have made the transition or what the problem might be that they can’t be viewed.

Thanks - Bob

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How did you actually do the upload?

Using FW’s built-in upload facility or via FTP. From your FW file or from his?

There are several graphic links to pdfs using actions that do not work.

Where are these links so that we can have a closer look at them.

David

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Anyone knows how to rotate a picture in freeway 6 that was imported to a slide show?

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On 19 Jul 2013, at 13:02, Bob Thomas wrote:

I can’t find any documentation that explains the process I’m trying to implement. Can anyone help clear this up?

On your computer, open the Freeway document.

From the File menu, choose Save Archive…

What this does is gather copies of all the images and supporting files you used in your design, along with a copy of Freeway document and a site folder into one new folder. At the same time, it remakes all the links and pathways to local resources into ones that work with the archive copies.

You should then be able to take the archive to your client and it ought to be plain sailing from there.

Hope that helps.

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When Saving to Archive, I usually add the step of closing the document afterwards and reopening it from the Finder. Otherwise FWP has me working on the archive instead of the original.

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Ernie Simpson

From the File menu, choose Save Archive…

What this does is gather copies of all the images and supporting files you used in your design, along with a copy of Freeway document and a site folder into one new folder. At the same time, it remakes all the links and pathways to local resources into ones that work with the archive copies.

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On 21 Jul 2013, 10:46 pm, DeltaDave wrote:

How did you actually do the upload?

Using FW’s built-in upload facility or via FTP. From your FW file or from his?

There are several graphic links to pdfs using actions that do not work.

Where are these links so that we can have a closer look at them.

David

Hi Dave,
I made an archive file and took it to the client. He opened it in freeway on his computer and we uploded it through the fw auto form to his website. Bang it was there on his server and opened fine. Then scrolling through we found that the graphic links did not work and the slide shows did not as well.
the web link - http://www.lillianesmith.org

Here are at least some of the graphic links that did not work on the newly uploaded site but do in my original working copy in browser preview.
1.On the LES Foundation - Events Calendar page: the oval poster link
2. On the LES Foundation - Contact page: the Center Application link
3. On the LES Center - About the Center page: the Center Application link
4. On the LES Center - Program Description -page: the Center Application link
5. On the LES Center - FAQs page: the Center Application link
6. On the LES Center - Travel page: the Arrival map button
Other Action Items That Do Not Work
7. On the LES Center Environment - Flora Slides page: the slide show
8. On the LES Center Environment - Fungi Slides page: the the slide show
9. On the LES Center Virtual Tour age: the slide show does not work
(There are other ordinary link buttons in the environmental pages that do not work at the moment but those are changes that I need to make.)

Thanks - Bob

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He may have been looking at a mixture of cached and I cached data, then. Did you walk him through flushing his browser cache?

Walter

On Jul 23, 2013, at 10:57 AM, “Bob Thomas” email@hidden wrote:

On 21 Jul 2013, 10:46 pm, DeltaDave wrote:

How did you actually do the upload?

Using FW’s built-in upload facility or via FTP. From your FW file or from his?

There are several graphic links to pdfs using actions that do not work.

Where are these links so that we can have a closer look at them.

David
Hi Dave,
I made an archive file and took it to the client. He opened it in freeway on his computer and we uploded it through the fw auto form to his website. Bang it was there on his server and opened fine. Then scrolling through we found that the graphic links did not work and the slide shows did not as well.
the web link - http://www.lillianesmith.org

Here are at least some of the graphic links that did not work on the newly uploaded site but do in my original working copy in browser preview.
1.On the LES Foundation - Events Calendar page: the oval poster link
2. On the LES Foundation - Contact page: the Center Application link
3. On the LES Center - About the Center page: the Center Application link
4. On the LES Center - Program Description -page: the Center Application link
5. On the LES Center - FAQs page: the Center Application link
6. On the LES Center - Travel page: the Arrival map button
Other Action Items That Do Not Work
7. On the LES Center Environment - Flora Slides page: the slide show
8. On the LES Center Environment - Fungi Slides page: the the slide show
9. On the LES Center Virtual Tour age: the slide show does not work
(There are other ordinary link buttons in the environmental pages that do not work at the moment but those are changes that I need to make.)

Thanks - Bob

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I did not. I’m not familiar with that particular process. He did delete all of his previous files from the host or at least he thought he had.

Is there a tutorial on this whole process of uploading a site with all of its ancillary functions somewhere?

I’m wondering if I should just go ahead and upload directly to his host from my copy. I think I’ve persuaded him to let me have control of the site for a longer period of time.

If I upload it now from my computer to his host will my version overwrite the one already deposited? Or does he have to do a purge of what’s there now.?

Are their fw folks on line that do tutoring in freeway. I feel guilty taking your time to answer all these questions. I’m 65 and although I’ve been using macs since the late 1980s I can’t say that my cyber instincts have come very far since I didn’t grow up on computers.

Thanks I appreciate all the help.

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Did you use (third party) actions in your Freeway document that NOT came with your Freeway purchase? Probably he needs to install these actions as well?

Richard

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