I just popped along to Pulse cms http://www.pulsecms.com/ and noticed they’ve a new pro version and have updated their free option.
With the Pro version you can create a very simple and basic Blog, which might be all thats required for some sites, etc.
Someone correct me if I am wrong but did the Free version not used to have the ability to specify fonts whereas the ‘updated’ version doesn’t appear to have that facility. I updated without checking feature lists - not that there are any listed on the Pulse website.
You also might have edited the config.js file. That is another way to make ckeditor show all the bells and whistles. Either way, it comes with a minimal version of ckeditor, but its easy enough to replace with the full version.
I might do a blog post more about this soon so people can learn how to tweak the editor to their liking.
Yes, the full ckeditor is about 6 mb. But the slimmed down version Pulse uses is less than 1 mb and it has the most important functions enabled. TinyMCE is not much better in terms of size, I tried it out when I was building pulse. I keep looking for a more lightweight WYSIWYG editor, but I always come back to ckeditor as it produces really clean code, works well and looks great too.
Regarding the internal links, I am confused as to why you think you can’t create internal links? I’ve never seen a CMS that would not allow this. Can you elaborate?
I suspect that he means “can’t create internal links” by picking pages
from a list, not by divining the full external addresses of the pages
and entering them in the link tool. I’ve built a few CMSs that present
a list of all virtual pages and let you pick one when creating a link.
Particularly in cases where pages are differentiated by querystring
only, it can be a big deal for clients to be able to do this with
point and click.
On Mar 26, 2010, at 8:15 AM, markf wrote:
Regarding the internal links, I am confused as to why you think you
can’t create internal links? I’ve never seen a CMS that would not
allow this. Can you elaborate?
Fair comment on the editors, I guess you always have to balance size against features and performance. I just recall downloading the full CK editor for another use and thinking ‘what a whopper!’. But it is a good one.
Sorry if I’m confusing you, I’m probably not explaining myself very well.
Most of these WYSIWYGS have the little chain icon, and clicking this (to make a link) invariably brings up a dialogue box where you can enter a full http:// address. That’s fine as far as it goes, and ok for outside links.
But if that’s all there is for INTERNAL links, then it demands a lot of the user to remember what might be quite a long list of possibly complex URLs. Given that your Pulse user is likely to be at the less savvy end of our technology spectrum, this doesn’t smack of ‘usability’.
The instinct of a ‘user’, if linking internally within their own site, would be to click the chain icon and then get the external url box AND a list of files or pages which make up the site. Few CMS seem to facilitate this listing of your own site pages for quick internal linking.
I realise there may be technical limitations on what a WYSIWYG can and cannot do. But I’ve always thought that, as hyperlinking is the foundation of the web, this issue should be handled better by CMS vendors.
Ah ok, now I see what you mean. I’m not sure how you would go about doing that or if its even possible with CKEditor.
Not to sound elitist or anything, but typing in “contact.php” into a link box is pretty basic stuff. At some point the end user has to have a certain level of competence if they are going to be using even a basic CMS. (Hope that doesn’t sound too harsh, just being honest
I partially agree with you, Mark, it’s not rocket science.
But if you could see the competence level of some clients you would think again! Believe me, there is a whole tier of customers out there who want it all ‘on a plate’ - it has to be that easy.
Even my more savvy client might wriggle a bit - they have some 60+ pages with text heavy pages with copious interlinking (industrial stuff!), and not just from page to page, but page to page anchor. I think you’d agree that too many of the following kind of address would not be so easy to remember!..
So no, I personally don’t think it’s too big a thing. But on the other hand, and especially given your target market (?), your answer smacks a little of getting off the hook! Never underestimate the incompetence of your customers!
What I did on one of my CMSs was to repurpose the site map control
within the links control. Selecting text in the editor and pressing
the link button opens an overlay with the site map on the left in a
scrollable DIV and a text field on the right, helpfully prepended with
http:// as a hint to enter a fully-qualified URL. Clicking on one of
the pages in the site map enters the correct link in the editor, and
entering a link in the URL field and pressing Okay enters that URL.
Ah ok, now I see what you mean. I’m not sure how you would go about
doing that or if its even possible with CKEditor.
Not to sound elitist or anything, but typing in “contact.php” into a
link box is pretty basic stuff. At some point the end user has to
have a certain level of competence if they are going to be using
even a basic CMS. (Hope that doesn’t sound too harsh, just being