These days there are better software solutions around for starters to get into responsive webdesign.
Ahh - and yes - have you had a look into my (two) videos?
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@Thomas, ofcourse I’m willing to pay for it. I use it as an professional and each hour I am fiddling costs money also and frustration. But I expect when buying software all the options are explained well and thoroughly. And with more complex matery I prefer video.
Some people like coding. Most people don’t. Like me. I want to spent my time at design, not at coding because I’m not good at it. So I am willing to pay other people / companies to make my sites better and more functional. So I use Wowsliders, coffeecup forms, ccs3 menus, etc.
Wordpress is free. Muse and Webydo not. But they offer a lot of handy free (video)tuts.
And fast and good support.
Some of you invest time in coding and research. A lot of Freeway users invest in research and design. Its a choise. And Freeway states it offers “making modern websites without any line of code”. Thats why we have choosen Freeway.
But…
Most of the issues in Freewaytalk find their solution in handcoding. Isn’t that weird?
I fully understand that the truth is in the middle. But I find it dissapointing to read that so many FW users get stucked in their process of making a (simple) responsive site, a simple form etc. Ofcourse they can dive deep into html and css to learn all extended options. But that was just not the reason why they bought Freeway.
You know well that personal visits are of the record, also conferences. But a video tut, a step by step screencast are well accepted options.
I hope Softpress is aware of the need for it to its customers.
All the best
Andries
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On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Thomas Kimmich email@hidden wrote:
On 3 Mar 2015, 8:44 am, Andries Kuipers wrote:
There’s a great lack.of tuts from Softpress.
Do you expect them for free or is paid acceptable, too? I mean both tools you mentioned take monthly fees (Muse 200€/year - an entire life, cause once touched - never stop and Webydo nearly the same). What kind of tutorials? Video - Books - Skype conferences - personal visits?
If Freewaytalk wasn’t such s great community with great help from people like Walter, Dave, Max, Ernie, Thomas etc and you, Softpress would have a big problem in my opinion.
Ever wondered, where those guys got there infos from? I doubt that one of them has been born with the golden spoon in mouth.
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REGARDING OUR FEEDBACK - I guess it’s the good guys 'n galls at Softpress as well as the FW devotees all together that keeps the blood flowing. Just ask and thou will be tought. Walter once posted this reference to illustrate this community: http://www.freewaytalk.net/thread/view/124773 .
I like to think Walter nailed it there …
REGARDING SOFTPRESS’ SO-CALLED MISGUIDANCE - I don’t think it’s fair to point your finger at Softpress and say: “You should have told me I had to read the manuals. I’ve only read the website’s headlines! Yes, I’ve seen the manuals up there ready for download, I’ve seen the link to the knowledgebase and the FAQ’s, but come on! You said it was easy!”
Well … to be honest, it is easy. Once you’ve read the manual.
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A Few Thoughts…
Freeway Pro is an interesting tool in that it allows a designer with very little skills in the area of HTML, CSS Java Script and so on to build a great custom site. It generates code, when used with a little care, that can be quite efficient and up to modern standards.
Further it is my belief that when it comes to website design one must be willing to grow beyond WYSIWYG tools. Years ago I use to think that there were designers and there were coders. This is most certainly a view I no longer hold. The markup, style and functionality languages used to make a professional website are powerful resources in the hands of a professional designer.
Freeway Pro allows one to get into the code, not because it is lacking in it’s ability to do the heavy lifting but rather so the professional designer can bring his or her vision to life.
There are code languages which lean more to the technical side of things. These are used for more dynamic sites. While they can be a little overwhelming, it is my thought that a designer should at least dip their toes in these very deep waters, if only to gain a level of respect for the highly skilled individuals who build beautiful things through these languages.
Softpress can’t make everyone happy but if one has a little dedication and a teachable attitude, Freeway pro is a great tool that can produce some pretty amazing results.
Kind Regards,
Dave Sutherland
P.S. Thank you Thomas for the videos you posted. Very helpful, as yesterday I began familiarizing myself with Freeway Pro 7. Love the new features.
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So many good and interesting comments. I almost don’t need to say anything.
My opinion is that Freeway and Responsive Freeway are already simple. It’s the expectations of many users which are not. Including myself, as even I’m often guilty of having my ambition overreach my ability-- although my response nowadays isn’t to blame the software for the gap between what I can do and what I want to do. That’s on me.
It’s also my opinion that Freeway is potentially an awesome tool for helping novices expand their abilities… Training wheels, if you will, for those who want to make very cool or very specific things for the web. For me, it has been a safe and comfortable framework in which to develop as a web designer.
The only caveat is that you have to meet the software somewhere in the middle. Remaining ignorant of “how all this works” may still be an option, but it’s no longer a very good one.
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The only caveat is that you have to meet the software somewhere in the middle. Remaining ignorant of “how all this works” may still be an option, but it’s no longer a very good one.
Exactly this is the point.
Let me try to wrap this in an example:
This is my 3rd project I did (somewhere in 2008 or nine):
http://bodeneffect.de/index.html
The client meant to change content nearby every hour. I mumbled and grumbled because it meant to re-position all stuff over and over again. Once done - next text-alteration … gosh!
I then decided to find a way, to make me sleep better at night and make work much more pleasant - by just starting to wrap content adaptive. I ended up in subscribing to FWT, starting a research and found an expression which was called “BoxModel”.
This was a huge step, cause I never really wanted to be a “WebDesigner”. Before starting my first project ever, I even decided “Do it the best you can - and leave this media the quick you can!”
That time, there had been a guy which is either long passed, jailed or living as Shaolin monk in a bonzery somewhere in Thailand. He did a video thought me the how-to. I watched this over and over again. My understanding of the matter and my strangely limited english made life hard.
Whatsoever - I never was under the impression, doing something groundbreaking - exploding the boundaries of the app. I just recognized, that there are several methods skinning the cat - and that Freeway allows me to do.
The rest is history - and can be even called obsession. Web is a media worth to. It’s fascinating to know, that trillions of people can see your work. My “Fifty Shades …”, cause it sucks, hurts, satisfies.
This is just because I meanwhile decided to stay for a lil while - and turn my knowledge into turnover. Progressive Enhancement.
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