I asked for it and I’m sure others did too. Of all the apps I now use, Freeway is the only one that only has one level of undo. It’s time this changed.
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I’m a new user still finding my way around version 4, but multiple undo was something I expected to have and was surprised to find it wasn’t there!
If it’s not in v5 by now, it probably won’t be, but certainly one for the wish list. - Maybe not needed for advanced users, but starting out, one can do things that have the most confounding results at times - having no way to “undo” it can be frustrating and very discouraging especially to those who have the free trial version (which is probably where most of the sales are generated from).
Frustrated/discouraged trial users = less sales, as the potential customer moves on to “friendlier” applications.
Pretty simple really, so we can only hope the sales & marketing folks have an open dialog with the engineers and they can find their way to implement this sometime in the future!
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Have to admit, I would welcome this too. As a matter of habit I Save extremely frequently with whatever application I’m using, so sometimes I have to Revert only to find out I haven’t Saved as frequently as I thought…pah.
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Sometime around 27/1/08 (at 07:19 -0500) Kryten said:
Have to admit, I would welcome this too.
Yep, that would be nice. 'Course, as an occasional software developer
I have some understanding of how hard this can be in an app with this
much object inter-dependency and complexity. I’m sure this is on the
Secret Softpress To-Do List, so I’m still hoping. 
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Here’s another vote for multiple undo. I can, however, see there may
be a problem in the way in which Freeway interacts with Actions -
especially third party - and inserted code. Photoshop was a latecomer
to the party, which it solved with it’s history palette. Perhaps
something similar, to start?
Colin
On 27 Jan 2008, at 12:19, Kryten wrote:
Have to admit, I would welcome this too.
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And I would like to cast 153,000 votes for it (on behalf of so many out there who use Freeway, want multiple undos, but who simply don’t frequent this forum enough to cast their vote).
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and me to
i’m sometimes finding myself, backing up a file, “just in case” with a different name, so that when i do make a stupid, or unwanted mistake, i won’t lose my files!
very unhandy!
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Yes we too get the “Website V1”, “Website V2”, “Web site V3” syndrome with Freeway. Using the latest version to experiment with, mainly because of only 1 undo.
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I vote YES too! That is extremely hard to go back and click undo and it still doesn’t correct whatever I just did!! If there was a way to state what action would be undone from the menu - it would be helpful too.
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Please, Please, Please - multiple undos. An absolute MUST HAVE in this day and age. I thought FOR SURE that would be the NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
Sorry for shouting, but I am just assuming that perhaps no one was able to hear everyone asking simultaneously.
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My guess is that saving is often a significant bit of work for Freeway and
to continually save states would add to processor overhead in an
unacceptable way.
But I totally agree that if there was a way that Freeway could offer more
undos it would really help a lot.
But if it were easy to add to the feature list I bet it would have been ther
a long time ago.
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Brian
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Please, Please, Please - multiple undos. An absolute MUST HAVE in this day and
age. I thought FOR SURE that would be the NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.Sorry for shouting, but I am just assuming that perhaps no one was able to
hear everyone asking simultaneously.Bob
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Another ‘Yes please’ from me. I find myself saving after almost every action, just so that I can revert to saved if needed.
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I’m a brand new user, downloaded the trial and about to pay-up. Except … no multiple undos? I feel like I’ve been transported back to the early 1990s.
Across the Mac, I’m used to be able to experiment: sling an element here, move an attribute there, just ‘to see’ … safe in the knowledge that once I’ve made a pig’s ear of it, I can quickly roll back.
Having to carefully think about a change and save each time breaks my work rhythm and slows me down. Moreover since virtually all other apps support multiple undos, I simply forget and lose work. Come one chaps, even iWeb does better than this.
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I have to agree with thatKeith in the sense that tracking multiple states in an app as complicated as FW could be a pretty tall order. Many developers can (and do) get this for free with Core Data but there may be very good reasons why FW engineers wish to use a less opaque file spec.
I think there are a lot of advantages we get from FW’s centralized file structure (master pages, graphics management, etc.) but granularity in site management and revision history is not one of them. This is one of the main things that has put me off FW for many years, but with the death of GoLive (and the only other real choice being DW) I have come to accept its shortcomings in this regard and to embrace its advantages.
Archive often.
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I started using Freeway 2 weeks ago and couldn’t believe there was no multiple undo. I haven’t used a program that hasn’t had it in 10 years.
For me, and I’m pretty sure anyone else, learning a new program is frustrating and having multiple undo is essential for undoing accidents.
There’s just no excusing this for version 6.
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This has been requested for a very long while.
My guess is that the saving process for Freeway is extremely processor
intensive and if it were going on in the background it would seriously
detract from usefulness.
At least on most sites of any size I have to wait a while without being able
to do anything else while saving the file.
But who doesn’t feel the lack of even a few states of undo!!
I’d love to be proved wrong - and as processors become multiple and fast
maybe it will come - for those who have the specs.
Softpress are very helpful in the main - as many here will testify but they
have never entered any discussion of their software in such terms as its
probably disadvantageous to them.
But yes it does feel like a handicap - and even saving often feels like a
handicap because it takes a while.
I’m on a twin 1.25G4 so maybe its snappier on the newer Intel Macs (?)
all the best
Brian
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I started using Freeway 2 weeks ago and couldn’t believe there was no multiple
undo. I haven’t used a program that hasn’t had it in 10 years.For me, and I’m pretty sure anyone else, learning a new program is frustrating
and having multiple undo is essential for undoing accidents.There’s just no excusing this for version 6.
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Softpress are very helpful in the main - as many here will testify but they
have never entered any discussion of their software in such terms as its
probably disadvantageous to them.
I’d be interested in seeing how it could possibly be disadvantageous. I’ve bought several bits of slightly-flawed software simply because of the way that the company kept the user-base informed via online forums. All it takes is a: “yes, this is very poor, it is something we are working on actively, but there is no ETA”
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I think Softpress’ opinion was that you just couldn’t go wrong with Freeway 5. So why undo anything 
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Well anything they say can be picked up by press or competitors or perhaps
opens to a loss of goodwill with customers who can become irate and
difficult if they are set up with expectations that are not met.
But whatever … I expect it is simply company policy to not discuss
whatever features are in the pipeline or indeed … are not.
I know that they know that we want multiple undo.
all the best
Brian
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Softpress are very helpful in the main - as many here will testify but they
have never entered any discussion of their software in such terms as its
probably disadvantageous to them.I’d be interested in seeing how it could possibly be disadvantageous. I’ve
bought several bits of slightly-flawed software simply because of the way that
the company kept the user-base informed via online forums. All it takes is a:
“yes, this is very poor, it is something we are working on actively, but there
is no ETA”
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“Company policy not to discuss future features”? Give me a break. More companies use that as a cop-out for complacency than I care to think about. And I do not make this statement as an attack on SoftPress or a personal attack on anyone. I say these words as an attack on “all defensive remarks” (or “excuses”) about why we do NOT have Multiple Undos.
I’ve been a FW user and lover since 1999 (FW2). I am friends with some at SoftPress, and I honestly must say that I love them dearly. SoftPress is an Macintosh software innovator and the company will continue to innovate. But the fact remains that we do not have multiple Undos (or a History feature like Adobe apps) yet, despite the requests make over the last 9 years or so. Hence our need to pound even harder at the door of SoftPress until the feature is implemented. No, not pound “until we are heard.” For SoftPress hears us loud and clear now and has heard us for years. They simply need to hear “more voices” to make them bump the feature up higher on their priority list. And yes, I have no doubts whatsoever that there is such a priority list.
The single most important feature of Freeway at this point, aside from making CSS Layout sensible and easy to use as table layout for “the rest of us,” is Multiple Undos (or a History feature). Those of you who want it, keep this thread alive!
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