We’re now at Freeway Pro 6 and still the only sure way to switch Style for a text paragraph is 1) select the paragraph (all of it, not just a word in it) 2) select None from the Style list 3) apply a new Style on the paragraph.
And I still cannot understand why FW Pro keeps creating unwanted new Styles whenever it likes. Is there a method to this?
I mean, every DTP app in the 1990’s knew how to handle paragraph styles. Please copy them to Freeway…
I just created two paragraph styles, one with Times and Left Indent of 20px, the other with Verdana and Right Indent of 20px. I then typed a paragraph of text and placed the cursor right in the middle of said text (not selecting all). I then applied style1 and the whole paragraph used style1. Then I applied style2 and the whole paragraph used a new style, style3 (a combination of style1 and style2 with both left and right indent). I then Command clicked the selected style (style3) to remove it and the whole paragraph was unstyled. I then applied style2 and the whole paragraph used style2.
I suppose Freeway could have removed style1 and applied style2 instead of creating the new combined style, but wouldn’t it be more annoying to have to create a third style with a combination of both styles manually in the case where you’d want that to happen than to simply Command-click on the style to remove it, or use the Styles Inspector to quickly remove and apply styles?
Joe
On 13 Feb 2013, at 21:47, MacFinn email@hidden wrote:
We’re now at Freeway Pro 6 and still the only sure way to switch Style for a text paragraph is 1) select the paragraph (all of it, not just a word in it) 2) select None from the Style list 3) apply a new Style on the paragraph.
And I still cannot understand why FW Pro keeps creating unwanted new Styles whenever it likes. Is there a method to this?
I mean, every DTP app in the 1990’s knew how to handle paragraph styles. Please copy them to Freeway…
As a longtime user I have had, and have heard, many complaints about
Freeway Pro’s often erratic text style inventions. I am genuinely
disappointed that any other longtime user would ignore that history, or
imply that somehow users are at fault for not divining it’s sometimes
inscrutable logic.
–
Ernie Simpson
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Joe Billings email@hidden wrote:
I must be missing something.
I just created two paragraph styles, one with Times and Left Indent of
20px, the other with Verdana and Right Indent of 20px. I then typed a
paragraph of text and placed the cursor right in the middle of said text
(not selecting all). I then applied style1 and the whole paragraph used
style1. Then I applied style2 and the whole paragraph used a new style,
style3 (a combination of style1 and style2 with both left and right
indent). I then Command clicked the selected style (style3) to remove it
and the whole paragraph was unstyled. I then applied style2 and the whole
paragraph used style2.
I suppose Freeway could have removed style1 and applied style2 instead of
creating the new combined style, but wouldn’t it be more annoying to have
to create a third style with a combination of both styles manually in the
case where you’d want that to happen than to simply Command-click on the
style to remove it, or use the Styles Inspector to quickly remove and apply
styles?
Joe
On 13 Feb 2013, at 21:47, MacFinn email@hidden wrote:
We’re now at Freeway Pro 6 and still the only sure way to switch Style
for a text paragraph is 1) select the paragraph (all of it, not just a word
in it) 2) select None from the Style list 3) apply a new Style on the
paragraph.
And I still cannot understand why FW Pro keeps creating unwanted new
Styles whenever it likes. Is there a method to this?
I mean, every DTP app in the 1990’s knew how to handle paragraph styles.
Please copy them to Freeway…
Hi Joe, I also have a problem with selecting styles. Highlighting the whole paragraph doesn’t bother me, but having to click ‘none’ before actually choosing the correct one is one of the minor niggles that really winds me up. In InDesign and Illustrator you can just go from one style to another, why not Freeway?
Sorry, don’t like to complain!
Trev
On 13 Feb 2013, at 22:27, Joe Billings wrote:
I must be missing something.
I just created two paragraph styles, one with Times and Left Indent of 20px, the other with Verdana and Right Indent of 20px. I then typed a paragraph of text and placed the cursor right in the middle of said text (not selecting all). I then applied style1 and the whole paragraph used style1. Then I applied style2 and the whole paragraph used a new style, style3 (a combination of style1 and style2 with both left and right indent). I then Command clicked the selected style (style3) to remove it and the whole paragraph was unstyled. I then applied style2 and the whole paragraph used style2.
I suppose Freeway could have removed style1 and applied style2 instead of creating the new combined style, but wouldn’t it be more annoying to have to create a third style with a combination of both styles manually in the case where you’d want that to happen than to simply Command-click on the style to remove it, or use the Styles Inspector to quickly remove and apply styles?
Joe
On 13 Feb 2013, at 21:47, MacFinn email@hidden wrote:
We’re now at Freeway Pro 6 and still the only sure way to switch Style for a text paragraph is 1) select the paragraph (all of it, not just a word in it) 2) select None from the Style list 3) apply a new Style on the paragraph.
And I still cannot understand why FW Pro keeps creating unwanted new Styles whenever it likes. Is there a method to this?
I mean, every DTP app in the 1990’s knew how to handle paragraph styles. Please copy them to Freeway…
Possibly. I get this random style generation ALL THE TIME.
Here’s a typical example. I’m working on a site that’s been with me since at least Freeway 3. I have numerous paragraph and word level styles, all set up, all carefully and methodically used. I place my cursor in a styled paragraph to edit the content, start typing, and lo! A whole new temporary style is created.
I know this is going to happen, so I am prepared for it. I use the Inspector Styles panel to weed the critters out, yet I still find I have to modify the occasional one to something like Courier 48px green in order to spot it on the page. They’re often the worst ones, a single word or even character where I may have changed a sentence or a typo.
A new user, though, may not be expecting this bonus style behaviour, and be flummoxed by the multiplicity of new temporary styles arriving in the Styles palette.
The question I have asked many times is why does Freeway do this? I understand the mechanism of temporary styles, and I have used it to generate permanent styles when developing a new site. But why, oh why, does Freeway create a temporary style when a perfectly sensible permanent style is already applied?
So much time is wasted weeding out these random styles. It is at best an annoying habit. If it isn’t a bug - which I am certain it is - then what is the rational explanation for this behaviour?
Heather
Imagic Design * Good Design - No Compromise
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I very rarely type any text in Freeway, excepting the creation of CSS Menus. Just about all text is created in another app. And then I copy/paste the text.
I don’t think I’ve ever been able to choose a paragraph style2 for text that’s earlier been formatted to paragraph style1 without making sure that the unseen ¶-character is selected too.
FW6 seems to create these new styles just like previous versions but now some of them are automatically deleted as well. Well, perhaps that’s progress…
FW6 seems to create these new styles just like previous versions but now some of them are automatically deleted as well. Well, perhaps that’s progress…
Ah, no, that is expected behaviour.
The very nature of a temp style is it will disappear if the text that used it is deleted or edited. Freeway tries to be tidy, but sometimes misses the point.
=o)
Heather
Imagic Design * Good Design - No Compromise
email@hidden http://www.imagic-design.co.uk
Twitter @Imagic-Design
T: 01634 864017
I’m pretty methodotical in using Styles. I do play around a bit when first designing a new site. But when the design is ready and I move to producing the site, I really really hate these extra Styles popping up. I have set my mind to a handful of Styles for the site. No extras allowed!
I have worked with PageMaker, InDesign (and some others). And have never ever seen this kind of Styles behavior.
This just wastes my time and I really hate doing pointless chores while I work.
When you apply a paragraph style you need to select the entire paragraph to apply it. Are you sure the style you’re applying is a paragraph style? It will have a ¶ alongside it in the Styles dialog if so. If it doesn’t, it’s correct that you would need to select all that you want to apply a character level style to. Tip - you can select an entire paragraph by clicking 4 times. Click 5 times to select the entire contents of an item.
When you apply a style to already styled text, the styles are combined to create a temporary style. This is by design, though perhaps an option to replace styles instead of combining would be useful? I can’t promise anything (there may be development constraints) but it might be a possibility. Tip – you can command-click an applied style to remove it before selecting the new one.
When you start typing, an unwanted temporary style is created. We have this logged already – I’ll bump up the priority on it. Heather, the video you posted is marked as private but I think we already have repeatable steps here. If you mark it as public I’ll check to see if its the same problem or not and log it if not.
Joe, I bought my first version of Freeway Pro in Feb 5. 2002 and have been using it since. So yes, I think I know the difference with character and paragraph styles by now.
Weeding out unwanted temporary styles is so time consuming that I’ve given it up years ago. If I do get them all, next time I edit the site file, there they are again. Most of my site files have 5-10 of them all the time. Please do something about them. I don’t need ANY temporary styles. Not one.
have to agree, its annoying. probably fact that i’m an autistic one, the chaos it makes in my files but its annoying!
would love a solution that changes the styles in one that is in your set up, or gives a warning that you use a style not listed in your css!
On 14 Feb 2013, at 10:18, MacFinn email@hidden wrote:
Joe, I bought my first version of Freeway Pro in Feb 5. 2002 and have been using it since. So yes, I think I know the difference with character and paragraph styles by now.
Ok noted. Apologies for pointing out the obvious – I’m sure you understand the need though. I’d love to see some repeatable steps, if you can spare the time. If it’s the case that you’re not able to apply a paragraph style without selecting the entire paragraph (or the invisible) then it needs to be logged. As I mentioned, I’m not seeing that behaviour here, nor have I in the past.
Weeding out unwanted temporary styles is so time consuming that I’ve given it up years ago. If I do get them all, next time I edit the site file, there they are again. Most of my site files have 5-10 of them all the time. Please do something about them. I don’t need ANY temporary styles. Not one.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Joe Billings email@hidden wrote:
On 14 Feb 2013, at 10:18, MacFinn email@hidden wrote:
Joe, I bought my first version of Freeway Pro in Feb 5. 2002 and have
been using it since. So yes, I think I know the difference with character
and paragraph styles by now.
Ok noted. Apologies for pointing out the obvious – I’m sure you
understand the need though. I’d love to see some repeatable steps, if you
can spare the time. If it’s the case that you’re not able to apply a
paragraph style without selecting the entire paragraph (or the invisible)
then it needs to be logged. As I mentioned, I’m not seeing that behaviour
here, nor have I in the past.
Weeding out unwanted temporary styles is so time consuming that I’ve
given it up years ago. If I do get them all, next time I edit the site
file, there they are again. Most of my site files have 5-10 of them all the
time. Please do something about them. I don’t need ANY temporary styles.
Not one.
but its annoying!