Sometime around 6/9/08 (at 11:00 +0100) David Owen said:
Keith, just out interest, what are you trying to do with the rich
text item? Prepare a whole page section with headings and all?
No, nothing even remotely that complex. It is a regular site with
headers, text areas and so on. I’d post a link, but it was recently
agreed to put it behind password access until the content was all in
place. Shouldn’t be long now, maybe a week.
I couldn’t agree more with the statements about the dangers of
‘handing the keys’ to the client in design terms. I guess it really
is a difficult call regarding how much control to give, as Max
alluded to. For what I’m doing, all that’s needed with regards to
‘rich’ text controls are:
There’s a body style that defines the font basics and a couple of H
styles - but only H2 is used (for crossheads) in the rich text areas.
Of the five people that are meant to use this, there’s me, one other
code-aware guy, an editorial-oriented chap who doesn’t code, and two
senior staff who simply will not ever handle wrapping in the
slightest bit of code to format things. Trust me. Trying to get them
to do this would be ineffective and inappropriate.
In an ideal world one answer would be a way to enable just the
formatting options required, only unlocking the parts that were
really needed. Meaning in this case simple controls for just the
I think the distance between no styling at all (other than coaxed by
dropping in tag-like controls or predefined by clever CSS
construction) and the features that things such as TinyMCE provide is
waaay too big.
But actually, it isn’t that that has got me going; I can (yes really)
trust my colleagues to be restrained and follow general content
formatting guidance. What caused my slightly embarassing but
heart-felt tirade last night was - on top of the incredible amount of
self-cancelling formatting junk hidden in the text - being stymied
yet again by some bug that prevented any WebYep rich text changes
from being applied. I’d edit content, click Save, and it just
wouldn’t work. The changes weren’t stored, and sometimes the editor
window wouldn’t even close.
So far I don’t think anyone else has hit this problem. I hope it
remains that way, but really - crossing my fingers is not the right
way to go about this sort of thing!
I’ve just updated TinyMCE to the latest stable build. That’s top of
the suspect list, so maybe the minor incremental upgrade will help.
Thanks for listening, everyone! I do still think that WebYep is very
good and the Freeway actions are awesome. But there are definite
issues that arise when it comes to mixing in add-ons to provide even
basic formatting controls.
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