Some excellent thoughts that I thought were particularly pertinent for Freeway users:
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Ironic.
See the end of this article.
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Times, they are a-changin’. Good article. Thanks Caleb.
@Walter this article reminds me of your recent Retweet http://tinyurl.com/cg2ne6e.
Todd
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That Trek guy falls into what I call the “elitist coder” (yes, it’s still CODE to me).
You can say it’s not that hard to learn, but for some it really is. Honest.
I’ve used Quark and InDesign so I don’t have ton write Postscript. I use Freeway so I don’t have to write code.
That’s not to say I don’t occasionally copy and paste or alter code, but I couldn’t “write” HTML, CSS, Javascript, etc.
Bob
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I think this goes back to designer/developer roles. I ran a print service bureau in the 90’s through and early 2000’s, so I can tell you there are people writing or at least troubleshooting postscript code for those apps - designers just never see it. Your print work just doesn’t print without the intervention of a postscript (or PDF) specialist. Fact.
Web design isn’t any different, although Freeway Pro is only even remotely comparable to iD or QXP - the software is still evolving. If you really can’t learn functional HTML and CSS, then maybe consider partnering with a developer to strengthen your business.
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On Apr 4, 2013, at 8:02 PM, “Robert B” email@hidden wrote:
That Trek guy falls into what I call the “elitist coder” (yes, it’s still CODE to me).
You can say it’s not that hard to learn, but for some it really is. Honest.
I’ve used Quark and InDesign so I don’t have ton write Postscript. I use Freeway so I don’t have to write code.
That’s not to say I don’t occasionally copy and paste or alter code, but I couldn’t “write” HTML, CSS, Javascript, etc.
Bob
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I think this goes back to designer/developer roles.
Yesterday I met with a recruiter and we had a very interesting discussion about how these roles have blurred dramatically in recent years and how it’s changed the type of person recruiters are looking for because what their clients want and need (and expect) in terms of skills is quite different, and that article accurately reflects what this particular recruiter is seeing. As someone who’s competing for jobs in that market it’s really quite interesting.
Bob, you seem quick to refer to the author of that article as elitist but the reality is that (especially) for those people who pursue corporate clients (or savvy small businesses with high expectations of their designers) such skills are not elitist so much as they are essential to staying relevant and marketable in an extremely competitive and shifting landscape. Saying this guy is elitist is somewhat dismissive because whether he is or isn’t, he makes a salient point, even if you don’t feel it’s relevant to the type of work you do or the type of clients you pursue.
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I apologize for being a bit cranky. I turn 50 this year, so I guess I’m becoming a grumpy old man!
It’s funny as I was the guy in the company (we did DTP) who had to “learn” how to do web sites. I started in Adobe GoLive (they had just purchased it from CyberStudio). It was daunting and I didn’t even type a word of code.
Now, it seems I’ve hit another big learning curve. I guess I grit my teeth and bear it, or, as Ernie suggested, find someone who does what I can’t.
Ya know, I remember when phones were used to call people and they were tethered to the wall with a curly cord!
Bob
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[Laughs] Me too, Bob. I miss the rotary dial! And not having to dial an area code for local calls. Though I don’t miss having to get up to the change the tv channel.
Todd
Ya know, I remember when phones were used to call people and they were tethered to the wall with a curly cord!
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I myself enjoy the privilege of being a grumpy old man, of saying whatever
is on my mind with enthusiasm and disregard for relevance, boring
youngsters with stories of a world that exists for them now only in history
books. Welcome to life over 50 
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I apologize for being a bit cranky. I turn 50 this year, so I guess I’m
becoming a grumpy old man!It’s funny as I was the guy in the company (we did DTP) who had to “learn”
how to do web sites. I started in Adobe GoLive (they had just purchased it
from CyberStudio). It was daunting and I didn’t even type a word of code.Now, it seems I’ve hit another big learning curve. I guess I grit my teeth
and bear it, or, as Ernie suggested, find someone who does what I can’t.Ya know, I remember when phones were used to call people and they were
tethered to the wall with a curly cord!Bob
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I should be hearing from AARP any day now!
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Goodness gracious, you fellows make me feel like a young whipper-snapper at 17! Then I go and talk to some other developer friends of mine who have built OS’s at the old age of 10. They make me feel absolutely ancient.
I’ll be getting my letter from the AARP before I’m ready for it at this rate!
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