Ok, since u guys r terrific and are honest, I am taking an 8 hr break
from the daycare site so I camber mine shipshape and start marketing.
Your opinions please… Anything and everything
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Cool… that was easy…
all other pages had it but the first… but I corrected that…
Thanks Dave
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btw I don’t like the font in the IE simulator… but beggars cant be
choosers LOL
Thank you!
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Cool… that was easy…
all other pages had it but the first… but I corrected that…Thanks Dave
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So the question now becomes… (in addition to any technical changes
that are recommended)
does it look professional and catching?
Thanks
Julie
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Cool… that was easy…
all other pages had it but the first… but I corrected that…Thanks Dave
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Everyone has their own opinion about what a web site should look like.
In my opinion, yours is fine, except one thing.
The link line on the bottom, Welcome About Us… the words are too
close together, it looks like a sentence not links.
You might want to put each link in a separate html item, spaced out
some more.
Also, I went to your examples and www.annascatering.net. On Anna’s
page it ought to have in the main area a declaration of where she
serves.
Does she cater in China and Australia? Just my 2 cents worth.
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So the question now becomes… (in addition to any technical changes
that are recommended)
does it look professional and catching?Thanks
Julie
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I’m sure you like your main font for the text (papyrus I believe), but it is not going to look good in other browsers and is not great in Safari either. I’d also play with the line spacing, everything is to squished.
I really like the puzzle pieces, although I’d make sure to have pieces that fit together snugly.
The links at the bottom need to be spaced out. Perhaps a simple | would help.
Finally, you have a bunch of services and they all go to the same spot, your website examples. Not sure the best solution, but it implies you don’t have much experience.
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Thank you…
these are the things I am looking for…
Ok I up loaded this again w a new font… let me know
right now i am working on cleaning my graphics then the links… then
the separate pages…
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I’m sure you like your main font for the text (papyrus I believe),
but it is not going to look good in other browsers and is not great
in Safari either. I’d also play with the line spacing, everything
is to squished.I really like the puzzle pieces, although I’d make sure to have
pieces that fit together snugly.The links at the bottom need to be spaced out. Perhaps a simple |
would help.Finally, you have a bunch of services and they all go to the same
spot, your website examples. Not sure the best solution, but it
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On 13 Aug 2009, at 14:44, julie maxwell allen wrote:
So the question now becomes… (in addition to any technical changes
that are recommended)
does it look professional and catching?
Not to me, I’m afraid. And I’m only saying this because you seem so
well-balanced about it:-)
But you style yourself as a communications company, so I think it
matters. For a start, I find your heading very odd. You say: “We bring
your communication pieces together… green, simply, effectively”, and
I find the use of ‘green’ strange. It’s fine to say “We bring your
communication pieces together… simply, effectively”, but it sounds
very odd if you say: “We bring your communication pieces together…
green”. It feels as though it should be ‘greenly’ but that wouldn’t be
much better.
You’ve made quite heavy use of the Papyrus typeface, and that’s not a
web-safe font. Some Mac users will have it, but I wonder if Windows
users do. Regardless, an awful lot of people are going to see your
page with all the fonts replaced with something else, and you can have
no idea how that will look, or fit in the space.
As others have said, the links at the bottom are too close together.
There’s a lack of homogeneity : different parts of the site have
different styles, for example, the first page has an italic serif font
in the green box, with centre aligned text [ack!]; click on ‘About
Us’, and the text in the green box has changed to Papyrus, with the
lines spaced much too close together, and in a different red to the
front page, and this time, left aligned. Click on ‘Services’, and the
text in the green box is now Papyrus, green, and spaced apart a lot
more. Click on ‘Examples’ and the text is much bigger (why?) and, as a
result, the link ‘GR Wellness Newsletter’ is broken over two lines,
giving the impression that there are actually two links there. And
it’s centre-aligned again. Confusing. Oh, and it says ‘Newsletter
Example’ just above, underlined like a link, but it isn’t a link.
On your Contact page, there is a mixture of sizes and weights of
typeface which doesn’t make for easy reading. For instance, at the top
it says ‘Fields marked in bold are needed’, but then when you look
down the list, they vary in size too, and it’s hard to figure out
which are bold. Oddly, one field that IS bold is ‘Other please
specify’, which I wouldn’t have thought would be required, if you’ve
just stated your type of business using the pull-down menus above,
which, again oddly, are merely small, not bold, as far as I can tell.
I’m going on a bit, aren’t I?
The text inside all of the green boxes is way too near the edge of the
box; it’d look a lot nicer if there was a 20px or so gap all round the
text.
Well, that’s probably made your day 
I hope you don’t take this
the wrong way, but could I recommend a book to you? It’s called ‘The
Non-Designer’s Design Book’ and it’s by a lady called Robin Williams.
It’s really excellent, and it taught me a lot, much of it just like
what we’re discussing now.
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Paul,
Thank you for noticing I am “well balanced” about this
I love the critique from you guys. It makes me a better designer /
person
Actually right now I am switching all of my fonts (based on another
person) to lucida casual and er architect. How do those sit with you?
And I am working on the spacing of the links below. . again listening
to others too… LOL
ok… ok green is out. I was trying to “market” the green companies by
showing that I am one. …
I will work on fixing those pages etc…
and thank you for the recommendation… I really want to be as good as
you guys and do well at it. I have fun learning this and doing it. I
will go to barnes and noble after correcting your tweaks…
Julie
On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Paul Bradforth wrote:
On 13 Aug 2009, at 14:44, julie maxwell allen wrote:
So the question now becomes… (in addition to any technical
changes that are recommended)
does it look professional and catching?Not to me, I’m afraid. And I’m only saying this because you seem so
well-balanced about it:-)But you style yourself as a communications company, so I think it
matters. For a start, I find your heading very odd. You say: “We
bring your communication pieces together… green, simply,
effectively”, and I find the use of ‘green’ strange. It’s fine to
say “We bring your communication pieces together… simply,
effectively”, but it sounds very odd if you say: “We bring your
communication pieces together… green”. It feels as though it should
be ‘greenly’ but that wouldn’t be much better.You’ve made quite heavy use of the Papyrus typeface, and that’s not
a web-safe font. Some Mac users will have it, but I wonder if
Windows users do. Regardless, an awful lot of people are going to
see your page with all the fonts replaced with something else, and
you can have no idea how that will look, or fit in the space.As others have said, the links at the bottom are too close together.
There’s a lack of homogeneity : different parts of the site have
different styles, for example, the first page has an italic serif
font in the green box, with centre aligned text [ack!]; click on
‘About Us’, and the text in the green box has changed to Papyrus,
with the lines spaced much too close together, and in a different
red to the front page, and this time, left aligned. Click on
‘Services’, and the text in the green box is now Papyrus, green, and
spaced apart a lot more. Click on ‘Examples’ and the text is much
bigger (why?) and, as a result, the link ‘GR Wellness Newsletter’ is
broken over two lines, giving the impression that there are actually
two links there. And it’s centre-aligned again. Confusing. Oh, and
it says ‘Newsletter Example’ just above, underlined like a link, but
it isn’t a link.On your Contact page, there is a mixture of sizes and weights of
typeface which doesn’t make for easy reading. For instance, at the
top it says ‘Fields marked in bold are needed’, but then when you
look down the list, they vary in size too, and it’s hard to figure
out which are bold. Oddly, one field that IS bold is ‘Other please
specify’, which I wouldn’t have thought would be required, if you’ve
just stated your type of business using the pull-down menus above,
which, again oddly, are merely small, not bold, as far as I can
tell. I’m going on a bit, aren’t I?
The text inside all of the green boxes is way too near the edge of
the box; it’d look a lot nicer if there was a 20px or so gap all
round the text.Well, that’s probably made your day
the wrong way, but could I recommend a book to you? It’s called ‘The
Non-Designer’s Design Book’ and it’s by a lady called Robin
Williams. It’s really excellent, and it taught me a lot, much of it
just like what we’re discussing now.best wishes,
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Ok Paul,
try this out. I have done most of the changes you have suggested…
I would like credit on one thing no one mentioned is the cleaning up
of the puzzle pieces together and apart… they are much cleaner… LOL
had to mention this.
Does it look better??
THanks again… all ideas are welcome from ya’ll
http://www.grassrootsweb.net
Julie
On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Paul Bradforth wrote:
On 13 Aug 2009, at 14:44, julie maxwell allen wrote:
So the question now becomes… (in addition to any technical
changes that are recommended)
does it look professional and catching?Not to me, I’m afraid. And I’m only saying this because you seem so
well-balanced about it:-)But you style yourself as a communications company, so I think it
matters. For a start, I find your heading very odd. You say: “We
bring your communication pieces together… green, simply,
effectively”, and I find the use of ‘green’ strange. It’s fine to
say “We bring your communication pieces together… simply,
effectively”, but it sounds very odd if you say: “We bring your
communication pieces together… green”. It feels as though it should
be ‘greenly’ but that wouldn’t be much better.You’ve made quite heavy use of the Papyrus typeface, and that’s not
a web-safe font. Some Mac users will have it, but I wonder if
Windows users do. Regardless, an awful lot of people are going to
see your page with all the fonts replaced with something else, and
you can have no idea how that will look, or fit in the space.As others have said, the links at the bottom are too close together.
There’s a lack of homogeneity : different parts of the site have
different styles, for example, the first page has an italic serif
font in the green box, with centre aligned text [ack!]; click on
‘About Us’, and the text in the green box has changed to Papyrus,
with the lines spaced much too close together, and in a different
red to the front page, and this time, left aligned. Click on
‘Services’, and the text in the green box is now Papyrus, green, and
spaced apart a lot more. Click on ‘Examples’ and the text is much
bigger (why?) and, as a result, the link ‘GR Wellness Newsletter’ is
broken over two lines, giving the impression that there are actually
two links there. And it’s centre-aligned again. Confusing. Oh, and
it says ‘Newsletter Example’ just above, underlined like a link, but
it isn’t a link.On your Contact page, there is a mixture of sizes and weights of
typeface which doesn’t make for easy reading. For instance, at the
top it says ‘Fields marked in bold are needed’, but then when you
look down the list, they vary in size too, and it’s hard to figure
out which are bold. Oddly, one field that IS bold is ‘Other please
specify’, which I wouldn’t have thought would be required, if you’ve
just stated your type of business using the pull-down menus above,
which, again oddly, are merely small, not bold, as far as I can
tell. I’m going on a bit, aren’t I?
The text inside all of the green boxes is way too near the edge of
the box; it’d look a lot nicer if there was a 20px or so gap all
round the text.Well, that’s probably made your day
the wrong way, but could I recommend a book to you? It’s called ‘The
Non-Designer’s Design Book’ and it’s by a lady called Robin
Williams. It’s really excellent, and it taught me a lot, much of it
just like what we’re discussing now.best wishes,
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On 13 Aug 2009, at 17:31, julie maxwell allen wrote:
Thank you for noticing I am “well balanced” about this
It does you great credit, I’m hugely impressed. If someone had said to
me some of the things I’ve said to you I’d have gone of and smarted
somewhere dark for an hour. Although I have tried to be polite:-)
I love the critique from you guys. It makes me a better designer /
personActually right now I am switching all of my fonts (based on another
person) to lucida casual and er architect. How do those sit with you?
Architect isn’t web-safe … there are only a handful of fonts that
are. I won’t write them out here, as I’m not sure of my ground, but
perhaps someone else could chime in with a definitive list?
ok… ok green is out. I was trying to “market” the green companies
by showing that I am one. …
How about ‘Environmentally’? Bit clunky perhaps.
and thank you for the recommendation… I really want to be as good
as you guys and do well at it. I have fun learning this and doing it.
Glad to hear that — it’s half the battle.
I will go to barnes and noble after correcting your tweaks…
I think you’ll love that book, I really recommend it.
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Thanks Paul…
can you email me off post of a couple? what about Lucida?
I like honesty better than politeness… you learn more.
I have ordered the book on amazon… a lot cheeper… so I should
receive it in a couple of days.
nah… not environmentally either too clunky like you said… I will
leave it like it is now (wo the green)
does it look better? and how does the graphics look now?
J:)
On Aug 13, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Paul Bradforth wrote:
On 13 Aug 2009, at 17:31, julie maxwell allen wrote:
Thank you for noticing I am “well balanced” about this
It does you great credit, I’m hugely impressed. If someone had said
to me some of the things I’ve said to you I’d have gone of and
smarted somewhere dark for an hour. Although I have tried to be
polite:-)I love the critique from you guys. It makes me a better designer /
personActually right now I am switching all of my fonts (based on another
person) to lucida casual and er architect. How do those sit with
you?Architect isn’t web-safe … there are only a handful of fonts that
are. I won’t write them out here, as I’m not sure of my ground, but
perhaps someone else could chime in with a definitive list?ok… ok green is out. I was trying to “market” the green companies
by showing that I am one. …How about ‘Environmentally’? Bit clunky perhaps.
and thank you for the recommendation… I really want to be as good
as you guys and do well at it. I have fun learning this and doing it.Glad to hear that — it’s half the battle.
I will go to barnes and noble after correcting your tweaks…
I think you’ll love that book, I really recommend it.
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On 13 Aug 2009, at 18:03, julie maxwell allen wrote:
I would like credit on one thing no one mentioned is the cleaning up
of the puzzle pieces together and apart… they are much cleaner…
LOL had to mention this.Does it look better??
Can’t say I can see a huge difference; I suppose I ought to admit that
I don’t actually like it anyway, so I’m maybe not the one to comment
on it. I did notice an unfortunate juxtaposition on the ‘About Us’
page though:
… and this on the same page:
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Ok,
I will correct those things…
why dont you like it??
J:)
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On 13 Aug 2009, at 18:03, julie maxwell allen wrote:
I would like credit on one thing no one mentioned is the cleaning
up of the puzzle pieces together and apart… they are much
cleaner… LOL had to mention this.Does it look better??
Can’t say I can see a huge difference; I suppose I ought to admit
that I don’t actually like it anyway, so I’m maybe not the one to
comment on it. I did notice an unfortunate juxtaposition on the
‘About Us’ page though:
… and this on the same page:
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Ok ya’ll I think I have covered most corrections…
and it does look better.
As I have said in the past honesty is better than politeness and you
learn from others comments and critiques.
I have changed the font to ER Architect… I understand it is not a web
safe font… but here is the question… how do you use all the
different fonts we have access to and keep them HTML so your words
are search engine friendly? and keep the font and its feel through
out the different browsers?
LIke / unlike?
any other suggestions / critiques?
Thank you again to all!
here is another not finished yet (lots o HTML text to add - but the
layout is the most important so I know what room I have) … but love
to hear it… if you guys have time…
http://www.grassrootsweb.net/tlc
Julie
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Very short answer:
It can’t be done without using special techniques.
Slightly longer answer:
There are methods that make such things possible (sIFR or embedding
fonts) but they are not without their own caveats and [major] legal
issues. Take the advice that’s already been given and use a web-safe
font for now and in the meantime educate yourself on the ins and outs
of these font techniques before jumping into it. Here’s one of many
sIFR articles http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/sifr/
Todd
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I have changed the font to ER Architect… I understand it is not a
web safe font… but here is the question… how do you use all the
different fonts we have access to and keep them HTML so your words
are search engine friendly? and keep the font and its feel through
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I defiantly will… had to ask since the idea was brought into my head…
thanks
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Very short answer:
It can’t be done without using special techniques.Slightly longer answer:
There are methods that make such things possible (sIFR or embedding
fonts) but they are not without their own caveats and [major] legal
issues. Take the advice that’s already been given and use a web-safe
font for now and in the meantime educate yourself on the ins and
outs of these font techniques before jumping into it. Here’s one of
many sIFR articles http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/sifr/Todd
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I have changed the font to ER Architect… I understand it is not a
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different fonts we have access to and keep them HTML so your words
are search engine friendly? and keep the font and its feel through
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On 13 Aug 2009, at 19:08, julie maxwell allen wrote:
I have changed the font to ER Architect… I understand it is not a
web safe font… but here is the question… how do you use all the
different fonts we have access to and keep them HTML so your words
are search engine friendly? and keep the font and its feel through
out the different browsers?
Easiest answer: we don’t. There is simply no way you can use a non-web-
safe font as HTML. You can use them as graphic text, but this is not
really any good except for the odd headline/subhead. You don’t want to
put any body copy as graphic text. Also, search engines can’t read it,
and you’re taking away a big part of what you need to get found
efficiently.
I think the challenge is to make it look great using a perfectly
ordinary font. Helvetica, say, or Verdana. Verdana is hugely readable
onscreen and you could do a lot worse. Make it dark grey rather than a
colour; space the lines apart intelligently, use white space, align it
left, always. This sounds a bit dreary I know. Just wait until you
read that book!
Your front page animation doesn’t start for a long time. If I was a
visitor, I’d have clicked the ‘enter’ link long before I ever saw it
move.
On the ‘Welcome’ page, you have that huge blank white space on the
left, which is filled a bit when you roll over the words ‘From roots
to wings’. So why have it as a rollover? Why not just put the text
that appears on rollover in the white space, permanently? It seems to
me that the rollover is unnecessary.
On the ‘About Us’ page, what on earth is that thing? A plate of food?
The earth seen from space? Why is it faded out on the right hand side?
It seems a bit gratuituous, and it’s really hard to see what it is. On
the same page, at the top, the text (Architect?) is so faint that
parts of the letters are missing. On the map below, the letters ‘TLC’
are all but invisible against the blue box. At the bottom, the words
‘Liberal Vacation Policy’, the second letter after the ‘L’ in
‘Liberal’ is a capital ‘I’, unless that’s intentional.
The two rollovers, ‘Philosophy’ and ‘Mission’: both are in different
fonts, in different colours. The ‘Philosophy’ text has a transparent
background and is 100% illegible against that photograph in the
background. The other one, ‘Mission’ has a white background. When
you’ve rolled over one, you can’t get rid of it except by rolling over
the other, and then you can’t get rid of that one. Why not, again,
dispense with the rollovers, and just put those two blocks of text on
the page, permanently?
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I know my homework tonight LOL
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On 13 Aug 2009, at 19:08, julie maxwell allen wrote:
I have changed the font to ER Architect… I understand it is not a
web safe font… but here is the question… how do you use all the
different fonts we have access to and keep them HTML so your words
are search engine friendly? and keep the font and its feel through
out the different browsers?Easiest answer: we don’t. There is simply no way you can use a non-
web-safe font as HTML. You can use them as graphic text, but this is
not really any good except for the odd headline/subhead. You don’t
want to put any body copy as graphic text. Also, search engines
can’t read it, and you’re taking away a big part of what you need to
get found efficiently.
I think the challenge is to make it look great using a perfectly
ordinary font. Helvetica, say, or Verdana. Verdana is hugely
readable onscreen and you could do a lot worse. Make it dark grey
rather than a colour; space the lines apart intelligently, use white
space, align it left, always. This sounds a bit dreary I know. Just
wait until you read that book!Your front page animation doesn’t start for a long time. If I was a
visitor, I’d have clicked the ‘enter’ link long before I ever saw it
move.On the ‘Welcome’ page, you have that huge blank white space on the
left, which is filled a bit when you roll over the words ‘From roots
to wings’. So why have it as a rollover? Why not just put the text
that appears on rollover in the white space, permanently? It seems
to me that the rollover is unnecessary.On the ‘About Us’ page, what on earth is that thing? A plate of
food? The earth seen from space? Why is it faded out on the right
hand side? It seems a bit gratuituous, and it’s really hard to see
what it is. On the same page, at the top, the text (Architect?) is
so faint that parts of the letters are missing. On the map below,
the letters ‘TLC’ are all but invisible against the blue box. At the
bottom, the words ‘Liberal Vacation Policy’, the second letter after
the ‘L’ in ‘Liberal’ is a capital ‘I’, unless that’s intentional.
The two rollovers, ‘Philosophy’ and ‘Mission’: both are in different
fonts, in different colours. The ‘Philosophy’ text has a transparent
background and is 100% illegible against that photograph in the
background. The other one, ‘Mission’ has a white background. When
you’ve rolled over one, you can’t get rid of it except by rolling
over the other, and then you can’t get rid of that one. Why not,
again, dispense with the rollovers, and just put those two blocks of
text on the page, permanently?best wishes,
Paul Bradforth
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