started to fiddle with concrete5 as my new CMS of liking :-).
Naturally, the theme dev will be FreewayPro (hooray). After the usual start-up problems, I got finally something like a “homepage” running.
And there we are with the first (of guessed 1578) problems I ran into:
Path-convention:
A theme requires some path additives to
<link rel="stylesheet" href=""> and
<img src="">
which should be read as
<?=$this->getThemePath()?>/
in front of both. I am pretty sure that we have no chance to stripe this in with any method or could we probably?
Another point is, that Page Title and Charset would be overtaken by the CMS, but not if both already exist. In FW it does. As well here, any chance to stripe this out?
This would be a milestone from the startup. Please note that I am completely dumb (or better said overwhelmed) - so any experience of others (Todd, Max …) with concrete are heartily welcome.
I have been using the extended img markup in FWP in a very unique way,
maybe this can help you. Let me first explain…
I may want to place a pass-through image into my FWP document… but for
various reasons it is inconvenient for my FWP workspace (too large or
whatever). So, I place a small FPO image as a pass-through then select it
and Item > Extended style. Select the img tag to append and add “src” with
the value “Resources/nameofmyfile.jpg”, all without quotes of course. On
publishing, FWP over-writes the workspace FPO image with the Extended image
(you must of course find a way to publish the image to the Resources
folder, but that is easy).
I think you may be able to use the same trick - or a variation - to set the
extended src to whatever code you need there. I’m not a CMS expert (by
far).
Extended style. Select the img tag to append and add “src” with
Best of luck,
Ernie Simpson
So cool, Ernie - that’s a possibility which works, however it requires to get the path to the images manually. But it’s to handle and even explainable.
But how about the internal css-files that require the “path-extension” as well?
Hmm indeed. I’ve never really thought about dynamic processing with style
code before. That could either be interesting or the thing that turns my
few remaining hairs white.
Do you mean like the background or background-image properties? I’m not
even sure php can be processed in a css text file. Maybe if that css is in
the document head? It just seems wrong, though I am ignorant enough not to
say definitively so.
Do you mean like the background or background-image properties? I’m not
even sure php can be processed in a css text file. Maybe if that css is in
the document head? It just seems wrong, though I am ignorant enough not to
say definitively so.
PHP can’t be processed in a css file else the browser would have to
be able to process php. CSS in the head can be supplied/processed by
php on the server before delivery.
David
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So I simply did this manual but have now two calls of each css which is neither valid nor pretty.
Let me say it that way:
In the good (grey) ol’ days of FW5+, it was possible to externalize all that stuff, collect it in a fresh blank new sheet and simply re-link this in the before end head TAG. All internal stuff was shut off.
Today, all I could do is not to use external stylesheets and fire all styles in the head (probably) which is outermost ugly.
I know naturally that I can clean this out manually after finishing the theme, but … you know what I mean.
From what we have done in C5 we have now chosen it as our database driven CMS of choice… For the way we work we found it a gazillion times better than anything we have used before including Wordpress Drupal, Umbraco… in fact the list is enormous. It’s also probably one of the the best candidates for creating a set of action to help C5 integrate into freeway and I did look into it but t the moment I just don’t have time as I am still reworking WebYep.
It’s also probably one of the the best candidates for creating a set of action to help C5 integrate into freeway and I did look into it but t the moment I just don’t have time as I am still reworking WebYep.
speak soon max
ouh yeahh.
And the main reason for this is, that you can integrate the function into the design and not to “wrap design around” the function (as it is in nearly all known Big Beasts).
WebYep as my favorite PHP based CMS gave me exact the same look and feel from the very start but it should be realistic judged as a “edit some page-content” but not manage entire site-projects. It is not really dedicated to build new pages or even run a little blog (or whatever).
And before I start with Perch and Pulse (which are to me only full-blown simple PHP CMSes (with SQL) and therefor not really alternatives) I’d really like to see this in action (with or without actions :-).
This could finally shorten (or even end) those endless CMS discussions.
I’ve experimented with C5 off and on and I like what I’ve seen for the most part, but I’m not sure how much help I can offer. That said, there are some very cool aspects to it that I want to explore further so hopefully I’ll find the time.
With regard to having the tools to actually manage a site like you mentioned Thomas, I think Perch is probably a bit more capable than it might first appear, it’s made some amazing strides in the area of management. Though certainly not in the same league as some of the more popular (bigger) alternatives it’s not too shabby either, at least for its intended audience. I refer to it as a “bridge” or “Goldilocks” CMS. Not too simple, not too complex.
I’ve said it before but MODx is such a dream to use in terms of design freedom and content management, mainly because the line between presentation and logic is very clear so you don’t get that muddy soup that is WP and others. I built a 600+ (and still growing) site with it and (with the exception of EE) I can’t imagine it could have been any easier to build or manage with another CMS that I’m familiar with. With it undergoing a major rewrite to streamline the user-experience (on the front- and back-end) and having had an early hands-on peek at what’s to come it’s should be taking a huge leap forward in every way. It’s not perfect but with regard to its flexibility and managing abilities I have yet to use anything that can match it, for large or small sites.
Todd
And the main reason for this is, that you can integrate the function into the design and not to “wrap design around” the function (as it is in nearly all known Big Beasts).
WebYep as my favorite PHP based CMS gave me exact the same look and feel from the very start but it should be realistic judged as a “edit some page-content” but not manage entire site-projects. It is not really dedicated to build new pages or even run a little blog (or whatever).
And before I start with Perch and Pulse (which are to me only full-blown simple PHP CMSes (with SQL) and therefor not really alternatives) I’d really like to see this in action (with or without actions :-).
Perch and Pulse are out cause I’m not willing to pay for a product I haven’t challenged yet (it’s a try before buy issue I’m missing and 30 days are not long enough for me).
MODx
I forgot about that, but for some reasons I never played with it. I should, but my problem is that I’m way too dumb to challenge two products at once. But indeed, I’m upset now. Shall I shall I not? Hmmm.
I am after knowledge for bigger solutions without any current need. Just want to be prepared on day x. It’s like a déjà vu cause I am under the impression that I wrote this very similar months ago.
So for the moment I’ll give C5 the chance, collect the woes - hope on some solutions and? … yeahh let’s see.
A bit of advice here: trying something out without a burning need to make it work is a great way to learn the wrong things about a product. One of the reasons often touted by the developers of the Rails programming framework is that it wasn’t built in an ivory tower, but rather extracted from a working project, and extended in the heat of battle to do new things.
Walter
On Oct 10, 2013, at 3:28 AM, Thomas Kimmich wrote:
I am after knowledge for bigger solutions without any current need. Just want to be prepared on day x. It’s like a déjà vu cause I am under the impression that I wrote this very similar months ago.
Is the Perch demo http://grabaperch.com/demo limited to 30 days? I know they create a brand new installation just for you to play with (you can try all 3 options if you like) but I didn’t see anything about a time limit.
Todd
Perch and Pulse are out cause I’m not willing to pay for a product I haven’t challenged yet (it’s a try before buy issue I’m missing and 30 days are not long enough for me).
The CMS of choice currently is WebYep and I think I challenged a lot so far that I don’t see any reason to skip this unless Max haven’t had the chance to introduce his new “system adaption”.
From there, I sit down and sort this kind of CMS into a category of “X”, and make a client profile that matches exact those needs.
In the next step, I’d like to grab something bigger. WordPress I already covered, however not up to my expectations if it comes to include FW and if it comes to a basic understanding of the idea behind (dumb I know - but it is as it is).
Honestly, I’m under the impression that I should choose EE, however this is from the start-up too expensive.
So to see what a “bigger” CMS can do for me (compared to the smaller BusinessCard Version WebYep) I simply grabbed C5. But if I daily change my attitude towards and hesitate I’ll never get the gist of even one product.
C5 - and that’s the first resume could be a FW “compatible” product, but only with the support of some php that allows me to extend the default path(s) to the css. That’s the first thing to solve and I’m pretty sure that this is possible.
So simply turn:
I will have another look into MODx and see how this could work for me.
All solutions shall have in common, that there are add-ons (popular) such as responsive slider, gallery, carousel.
Cheers
Thomas
@Todd - thanks for the PM, I’ll come back to you when I’m at home later this day.
Regarding Concrete5 vs ‘framework’, this is from C5’s CTO: [1]
«concrete5 strikes a nice balance between being easy to edit with and
being useful and extremely extendable for developers who want to make
any type of website.
If what you’re building is more of a web application than a website –
and I realize the distinction is a fuzzy and sometimes arbitrary one –
and perhaps has less need for content management, I’d recommend Symfony
2 or Zend Framework»
Walter Lee Davis, Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:33:43 -0400:
A bit of advice here: trying something out without a burning need to
make it work is a great way to learn the wrong things about a
product. One of the reasons often touted by the developers of the
Rails programming framework is that it wasn’t built in an ivory
tower, but rather extracted from a working project, and extended in
the heat of battle to do new things.
Walter
On Oct 10, 2013, at 3:28 AM, Thomas Kimmich wrote:
I am after knowledge for bigger solutions without any current need.
Just want to be prepared on day x. It’s like a déjà vu cause I am
under the impression that I wrote this very similar months ago.
I wasn’t making any specific comparisons here. I was pointing out that using something to “see what it can do” will tell you many different things than using it to “get something built now, on deadline”. Something that ranks well on the former may fall down entirely on the latter. It’s just different worlds.
Walter
On Oct 11, 2013, at 8:20 AM, Leif Halvard Silli wrote:
Regarding Concrete5 vs ‘framework’, this is from C5’s CTO: [1]
«concrete5 strikes a nice balance between being easy to edit with and
being useful and extremely extendable for developers who want to make
any type of website.
If what you’re building is more of a web application than a website –
and I realize the distinction is a fuzzy and sometimes arbitrary one –
and perhaps has less need for content management, I’d recommend Symfony
2 or Zend Framework»
Walter Lee Davis, Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:33:43 -0400:
A bit of advice here: trying something out without a burning need to
make it work is a great way to learn the wrong things about a
product. One of the reasons often touted by the developers of the
Rails programming framework is that it wasn’t built in an ivory
tower, but rather extracted from a working project, and extended in
the heat of battle to do new things.
Walter
On Oct 10, 2013, at 3:28 AM, Thomas Kimmich wrote:
I am after knowledge for bigger solutions without any current need.
Just want to be prepared on day x. It’s like a déjà vu cause I am
under the impression that I wrote this very similar months ago.
Probably I’m a bit different (no - I’m not), but I built up my life on modules. Those are building MY PERSONAL FRAMEWORK and are exchangeable if they don’t fit anymore (for whatever reason).
I am naturally, as part of the creative process, always under the deadline sword - and am honestly often better than without any pressure. But there’s a certain prerequisite which is called:
I need to know what I’m doing. All I do is to prepare myself - and once a day I am even able to transport the learned from A to B.
And it should be noted:
If I am willing to do something, this can be much more pressure than any client can give me. And finally I am willing to push Freeway further - so as long I got no route for my above problem - I’ll give the ball further.
So once again:
If Concrete5 shall fit in the Freeways’ world, we’d need a solution (similar to WY SEO Action) that allows to stripe in extra PHP and a neat CSS-Menu Action that creates IDs and classes that fits into this new world, literally.
From my somewhat limited experience with EE I think it’s a beautiful system in many ways and has a lot going for it.
Actually, I did exactly what you are doing now. Having already found a few lightweight CMS that worked well for me for (most) production work I started experimenting with Big Boy CMS just to get a better feel for what’s out there. Having already tried Joomla!, Drupal, Mambo (before it went sideways), WP I was ready to put in serious time with EE when I rediscovered a newer MODx. Just the way things happen.
But like you, these days I’m less willing to arbitrarily put down $300 to find out how much I might like something, no matter how nice it seems.
Todd
Honestly, I’m under the impression that I should choose EE, however this is from the start-up too expensive.
Hi, I am new with freeway(6). First a thank you for your open discussions!
Then I have a simple question which goes away from the topic. I don´t know, if I would better open a new one, or stay here, because Todd set a link to a website I would like to ask you about. It is: